Re: [Standards] {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015

On 18 Jun 2015 19:21, "Curtis King" wrote: > > >> On Jun 18, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Jun 2015 15:40, "Curtis King" wrote: >> > >> > >> >> On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: >> >> >> >> There's consensus, I would argue, given that it's extremely well

Re: [Standards] {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > > > On 18 Jun 2015 15:40, "Curtis King" mailto:ck...@mumbo.ca>> > wrote: > > > > > >> On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Dave Cridland >> > wrote: > >> > >> There's consensus, I would argue, given that it's extremely we

Re: [Standards] {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015

On 18 Jun 2015 15:40, "Curtis King" wrote: > > >> On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: >> >> There's consensus, I would argue, given that it's extremely well supported in servers, desktop and mobile clients. In fact, finding servers that didn't support it a year ago is hard. > > > Tw

Re: [Standards] Rayo feedback.

Thanks for these notes, Kevin. I'll address them by the weekend. On 16 June 2015 at 09:26, Kevin Smith wrote: > Sorry this is terribly late - I’ve been reviewing the Rayo XEP prior to > voting on Draft, and I had a couple of questions/comments. This only covers > the first half of the XEP (up to

Re: [Standards] {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > > There's consensus, I would argue, given that it's extremely well supported in > servers, desktop and mobile clients. In fact, finding servers that didn't > support it a year ago is hard. Two servers and maybe 5 clients does not make for

Re: [Standards] {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015

On 18 Jun 2015 15:01, "Kurt Zeilenga" wrote: > > What’s the bar for “core”? I would think it at least mature Draft standard if not Full standard. > > I don’t think it’s appropriate to add Carbons to core when it seems that there’s not consensus that it’s the best solution for any problem the majo

Re: [Standards] {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: > I don’t think it’s appropriate to add Carbons to core when it seems that > there’s not consensus that it’s the best solution for any problem the > majority of XMPP IM/MUC deployments are facing. I'm not entirely sure that experimental XEPs

Re: [Standards] {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015

What’s the bar for “core”? I would think it at least mature Draft standard if not Full standard. I don’t think it’s appropriate to add Carbons to core when it seems that there’s not consensus that it’s the best solution for any problem the majority of XMPP IM/MUC deployments are facing. — Kur

Re: [Standards] Advancing Carbons [WAS: {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > It seems premature to advance Carbons until we have a clear path forward on > this. Agreed, hence the thread. I'm split on the issue of Carbons vs. MAM; as I said, I like the fact that carbons has a fairly small footprint, on the other hand,

Re: [Standards] Advancing Carbons [WAS: {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015]

On 18 Jun 2015, at 14:47, Sam Whited wrote: > To keep the other thread on topic, I've split this off. I'd love to > formally put the advancement of carbons on the agenda. Thoughts from > the community/council? My thoughts are that one of two things needs to happen. Either Carbons needs to be upd

[Standards] Advancing Carbons [WAS: {Core|Advanced} {Client|Server} 2015]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Curtis King wrote: > I like to avoid adding protocol extensions which become abandoned. I agree with you, but Carbons is already implemented widely, so I'm not sure that it's likely to just disappear any time soon. If MAM actually had enough functionality to repla

[Standards] Fwd: [Council] Minutes 2015-06-17

FYI > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Kevin Smith > Subject: [Council] Minutes 2015-06-17 > Date: 18 June 2015 10:40:12 BST > To: XMPP Council > > Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2015-06-17/ > > 1) Roll call > > Kev, Philip, Lance, Dave present. Matt absent > > 2) Date of next meeting