Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-26 Thread Matthew Wild
On 19 July 2011 21:42, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: Sending at that rate will result in a disconnected socket for most of the networks I've seen.  There are still an exorbitant number of routers,

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-26 Thread Matthew A. Miller
On Jul 26, 2011, at 16:57, Matthew Wild wrote: On 19 July 2011 21:42, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: Sending at that rate will result in a disconnected socket for most of the networks I've seen.

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-26 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: I've never encountered a network that'll disconnect with 10-15-minute keepalives; there may be some, but I doubt most. A few weeks ago I was completely with you. But I just moved into an office where idle connections

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-22 Thread Matthew A. Miller
On Jul 20, 2011, at 15:05, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: If a server is sending (in)frequent keepalives, and the client knows it should have them (more) less, then this protocol allows for that to be opted-in on

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-20 Thread Ben Schumacher
On 7/19/11 7:42 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net mailto:linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: Sending at that rate will result in a disconnected socket for most of the networks I've seen. There are still an exorbitant

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-20 Thread Matthew A. Miller
On Jul 19, 2011, at 19:42, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: Sending at that rate will result in a disconnected socket for most of the networks I've seen. There are still an exorbitant number of routers, proxies,

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: If a server is sending (in)frequent keepalives, and the client knows it should have them (more) less, then this protocol allows for that to be opted-in on a per-connection basis. Both servers and clients

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-20 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Jul 19 21:19:15 2011, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation FWIW, this one seems sensible for the XSF to adopt. I'd like to make some observations: 1) I think the negotiation should be

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-20 Thread Charles Youakim
Thanks for the time Dave. I'm going to check out the API. We will definitely be using your software. The Gears software sounds great. Let me know what you can sell the IP30 for. We will be low quantity at the outset. An order of 5 would be likely. Charlie Youakim Partner cell:

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-20 Thread Charles Youakim
My apologies. Wrong Dave! Charlie Youakim Partner cell: 651-343-4692 fax: 888-804-1783 web: www.passportparking.com On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Charles Youakim charlie.youa...@passportparking.com wrote: Thanks for the time Dave. I'm going to check out the API. We will

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-19 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation Abstract: This specification defines a method for negotiating how to send keepalives in XMPP. URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/keepalive.html The XMPP Council will decide at its

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-19 Thread Yann Leboulanger
On 07/19/2011 10:19 PM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation Abstract: This specification defines a method for negotiating how to send keepalives in XMPP. URL:

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Yann Leboulanger aste...@lagaule.orgwrote: Whitespace are very small things It doesn't matter how small the things are, if a single packet causes a battery-powered device to wake up WiFi and drain battery for a while before it goes back into a power saving

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-19 Thread Justin Karneges
On Tuesday, July 19, 2011 05:02:30 PM Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Yann Leboulanger aste...@lagaule.orgwrote: Whitespace are very small things It doesn't matter how small the things are, if a single packet causes a battery-powered device to wake up WiFi and drain

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Justin Karneges justin-keyword-jabber.093...@affinix.com wrote: Whitespace keepalives serve two purposes: 1) Keep connections from being killed by routers. Client-originated keepalives normally deal with this, so negotiation isn't needed here--just send

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-19 Thread Matthew A. Miller
On Jul 19, 2011, at 18:55 , Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Justin Karneges justin-keyword-jabber.093...@affinix.com wrote: Whitespace keepalives serve two purposes: 1) Keep connections from being killed by routers. Client-originated keepalives normally deal with

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: Sending at that rate will result in a disconnected socket for most of the networks I've seen. There are still an exorbitant number of routers, proxies, firewalls, and load balancers deployed and configured

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-19 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 19:13 -0600, Matthew A. Miller wrote: This is great for desktops, but less than ideal for mobile. Perhaps a generic please apply resource policy $foo-spec could be thougt up? So you could tell the server that you're on a constrained link and have it activate various

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Whitespace Keepalive Negotiation

2011-07-19 Thread Amandeep Batra
Hi, Following are the thoughts: Each side can send its own keep-alive whitespace packet intelligently considering the traffic and the reqmt to keep persistent connections. Devices specifically should intelligently see the n/w behind which they are and keep on calibrating the keep alive