Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2016-05-13 18:10, Kevin Smith wrote: > On 13 May 2016, at 17:05, Dave Cridland wrote: >> There's a problem inherent in this that we'd need to actually verify the >> clients have actually implemented the features they claim, and that in turn >> means some volunteer effort in testing them thoug

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Kevin Smith
> On 13 May 2016, at 17:30, Dave Cridland wrote: > > > > On 13 May 2016 at 17:10, Kevin Smith wrote: > On 13 May 2016, at 17:05, Dave Cridland wrote: > > There's a problem inherent in this that we'd need to actually verify the > > clients have actually implemented the features they claim, an

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Dave Cridland
On 13 May 2016 at 17:10, Kevin Smith wrote: > On 13 May 2016, at 17:05, Dave Cridland wrote: > > There's a problem inherent in this that we'd need to actually verify the > clients have actually implemented the features they claim, and that in turn > means some volunteer effort in testing them th

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Adam Roach
On 5/13/16 11:05, Dave Cridland wrote: I'd love to do this. I think it needs to be a trademark rather than a copyright, but yes. A trademarkable phrase and logo seems simplest. If you're interested in something like this, I think there would be important lessons to learn from the SIP Forum's "

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Kevin Smith
On 13 May 2016, at 17:05, Dave Cridland wrote: > There's a problem inherent in this that we'd need to actually verify the > clients have actually implemented the features they claim, and that in turn > means some volunteer effort in testing them though. I believe that any effort > we put into t

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Dave Cridland
On 13 May 2016 at 15:16, Daniel Gultsch wrote: > Hi, > > orthogonal to the current discussion of whats actually included in the > compliance suite I have some other thoughts. > > XMPP has a huge image problem mainly because people are using either > outdated servers and clients or offer incomplet

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Hi, orthogonal to the current discussion of whats actually included in the compliance suite I have some other thoughts. XMPP has a huge image problem mainly because people are using either outdated servers and clients or offer incomplete APIs. (I'm not trying to point fingers; but lets say you ru

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Kevin Smith
> On 13 May 2016, at 14:16, Sam Whited wrote: > > As a compromise, perhapse it makes sense to split CSI out into a > separate "Mobile Compliance" section? This might be something good to > have in general. > > Thoughts appreciated. I think that might be reasonable. I certainly have some issue

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Sam Whited
As a compromise, perhapse it makes sense to split CSI out into a separate "Mobile Compliance" section? This might be something good to have in general. Thoughts appreciated. —Sam On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 3:11 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > I think most of these are highlighting issues with CSI, rath

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-13 Thread Dave Cridland
I think most of these are highlighting issues with CSI, rather than issues with including CSI within the Suite. Mostly, I think CSI is right - my biggest gripe was always that it didn't include an element - but it's clear to me that there's a few edge-cases and clarifications needed. On 11 May 20

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-12 Thread Sam Whited
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Thijs Alkemade wrote: > I don't really understand the point of CSI being required for Advanced Client. > Do non-mobile clients have to implement it and never send ? Or do > servers have to disable all optimizations because enabling CSI is no longer an > implicit "I

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-11 Thread Matthew Wild
On 11 May 2016 at 06:23, Thijs Alkemade wrote: > Lets look at the suggested optimizations from the XEP: > >> Suppress presence updates until the client becomes active again. On becoming >> active, push the latest presence from each contact. > > This only makes sense if the client has no way to sho

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-10 Thread Thijs Alkemade
> On 11 mei 2016, at 00:09, Matthew Wild wrote: > > On 10 May 2016 at 20:28, Thijs Alkemade wrote: >> >>> On 28 apr. 2016, at 08:35, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: >>> >>> The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. >>> >>> Title: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016 > >> I don

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-10 Thread Matthew Wild
On 10 May 2016 at 20:28, Thijs Alkemade wrote: > >> On 28 apr. 2016, at 08:35, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: >> >> The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. >> >> Title: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016 > I don't really understand the point of CSI being required for Advanced C

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-05-10 Thread Thijs Alkemade
> On 28 apr. 2016, at 08:35, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: > > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016 > > Abstract: > This document defines XMPP protocol compliance levels for 2016. > > > URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/i

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016

2016-04-27 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: XMPP Compliance Suites 2016 Abstract: This document defines XMPP protocol compliance levels for 2016. URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/compliance2016.html The XMPP Council will decide in the next two weeks