Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-06 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:49 AM, Pedro Melo wrote: I don't see the usefulness of sending my own mac address. But sending the mac address of my default gateway, then yes, I find that very useful. That's how a lot of location aware-tools for the Mac work for example. It's just another source

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-05 Thread Pedro Melo
On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I was chatting with Joe Hildebrand about XEP-0255 and he mentioned that it would be good to add a reference type for an Ethernet address, such as: iq from='ham...@shakespeare.lit/phone' id='q02' to='location.shakespear.lit'

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-04 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Mar 3, 2009, at 11:17 PM, Helge Timenes wrote: Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Helge Timenes wrote: Actually, I meant the local ethernet (MAC) address of your active network connection(s). There are network elements that keep track of the ethernet addresses they

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-03 Thread Helge Timenes
Fabio Forno wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: I meant your locally-assigned IPv4 or IPv6 address, not your MAC address. My bad. Penitenziagite! :D Yep, now I get the point and it makes sense Sorry for being a bit late responding to

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-03 Thread Helge Timenes
Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Mar 2, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Uhm.. is that meaningful? Usually for location queries external references are more useful than your address (e.g. your MAC moves with your notebook, so what is the purpose of doing a query with it?) I meant your

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-03 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Helge Timenes wrote: Actually, I meant the local ethernet (MAC) address of your active network connection(s). There are network elements that keep track of the ethernet addresses they have seen, and can glean location information from that connectivity

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Andreas Monitzer
On Mar 02, 2009, at 20:23, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I was chatting with Joe Hildebrand about XEP-0255 and he mentioned that it would be good to add a reference type for an Ethernet address, such as: It seems that we'd need this because your ethernet address might be different from your

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Fabio Forno
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: I was chatting with Joe Hildebrand about XEP-0255 and he mentioned that [...] It seems that we'd need this because your ethernet address might be different from your wifi address even in the same location (e.g., where

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Fabio Forno
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: I meant your locally-assigned IPv4 or IPv6 address, not your MAC address. My bad. Penitenziagite! :D Yep, now I get the point and it makes sense Besides that there is one more reference we are starting using: RFID

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-13 Thread Dean Collins
Hi Helge, Having worked for www.Amethon.com last year I can tell you categorically that mobile handset ip addresses have very little location based information. You need a cell tower mapping system which isn't readily accessible by the applications etc. Ignore this problem for a few years and

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-13 Thread Stephen Pendleton
-Original Message- From: standards-boun...@xmpp.org [mailto:standards-boun...@xmpp.org] On Behalf Of Helge Timenes Sent: 02/13/2009 1:24 AM To: XMPP Standards Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query Just a heads up notice: As suggested by Stephen Pendleton I plan to add

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-04 Thread Stephen Pendleton
] XEP-0255: Location Query Thanks. Will fix ;-) Regards, Helge Timenes -original message- Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query From: Daniel Willmann dan...@totalueberwachung.de Date: 03/02/2009 11:24 Hi, I just noticed an inconsistency between the query tags at http://xmpp.org

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-04 Thread Stephen Pendleton
: 02/04/2009 11:25 AM To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query I'm still thinking about this one. Granted ip address is useful in determining location, and adding a new beacon type is a painless update. But i feel it is a bit silly to call it a 'beacon'. Cell towers

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-03 Thread Helge Timenes
Thanks. Will fix ;-) Regards, Helge Timenes -original message- Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query From: Daniel Willmann dan...@totalueberwachung.de Date: 03/02/2009 11:24 Hi, I just noticed an inconsistency between the query tags at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0255.html#examples

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2009-01-27 Thread Simon Tennant
Helge Timenes wrote: That is a good idea. And also brings up an already asked question. Would it be better to de-generalize the beacon element into explicit cell, wifi, bluetooth, and as suggested, ip elements? Pros/cons anyone? We will soon have WiMAX and then LTE-type cell-ids and...

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2009-01-27 Thread Stephen Pendleton
/locationquery iq -Original Message- From: standards-boun...@xmpp.org [mailto:standards-boun...@xmpp.org] On Behalf Of Simon Tennant Sent: 01/27/2009 9:20 AM To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query) Helge Timenes wrote: That is a good idea. And also brings up an already

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2009-01-26 Thread Stephen Pendleton
What about adding another optional element to the query to allow the lookup of location information based on IP address?: iq from='ham...@shakespeare.lit/phone' id='q02' to='location.shakespear.lit' type='get' xml:lang='en-US' locationquery xmlns='urn:xmpp:locationquery:0'

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2008-12-14 Thread kael
Helge Timenes wrote, On 11/26/2008 10:43 PM: Some comments to the XEP-0255 / Location Query draft (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0255.html): 1) Beacon signal strength seems to have been forgotten in the draft specification. This is a mistake and I will correct it. 2) In the development

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2008-12-14 Thread kael
Helge Timenes wrote, On 12/12/2008 04:52 PM: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:15:30 -0500, Stephen Pendleton stephenpendle...@hotmail.com wrote: - Is Example 7 allowed in XMPP/pubsub? It looks like the component is publishing to the entities node. I suppose there is nothing wrong with that, I just

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2008-12-12 Thread Helge Timenes
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:15:30 -0500, Stephen Pendleton stephenpendle...@hotmail.com wrote: Some comments I have on 0255 during implementation: - XEP-0080 uses lat, lon, alt instead of latitude, longitude... so the examples need to be changed. The schema looks right though. Have

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2008-12-11 Thread Stephen Pendleton
Some comments I have on 0255 during implementation: - XEP-0080 uses lat, lon, alt instead of latitude, longitude... so the examples need to be changed. The schema looks right though. - Is Example 7 allowed in XMPP/pubsub? It looks like the component is publishing to the entities node. I