[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
Anecdotal evidence suggests that right now at least one third of our content persistence problems boil down to this one bug: "I added it 2 weeks ago and it still hasn't got past 0% (0/1)". A new key type, DHKs (Duplicated Hash Keys), would solve the problem, but the new keys would be twice as lo

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-23 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:16:40 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > GORY DETAILS: > > Currently we use: > CHK@,, > > (Filenames afterwards are manifests, and therefore impact on the CHK) Isn't the first part supposed to be the data hash, and not a routing key. And what is a routing key anyways? :P Ho

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-23 Thread Jack T Mudge III
On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16:40 am Matthew Toseland wrote: > Anecdotal evidence suggests that right now at least one third of our > content persistence problems boil down to this one bug: "I added it 2 weeks > ago and it still hasn't got past 0% (0/1)". A new key type, DHKs > (Duplicated Hash Ke

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-24 Thread freenetw...@web.de
1) CHK-keys are already long enough 2) why add something that tries to fix something broken (routing?) or contradicts the concept (caching of keys around the key location; unused content gets dropped) if a) unwanted content is supposed to be dropped from the network to make space for fresh stuff a

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 23 April 2009 17:25:11 Dennis Nezic wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:16:40 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > GORY DETAILS: > > > > Currently we use: > > CHK@,, > > > > (Filenames afterwards are manifests, and therefore impact on the CHK) > > Isn't the first part supposed to be the da

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 23 April 2009 21:23:24 Jack T Mudge III wrote: > On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16:40 am Matthew Toseland wrote: > > Anecdotal evidence suggests that right now at least one third of our > > content persistence problems boil down to this one bug: "I added it 2 weeks > > ago and it still h

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 24 April 2009 17:46:09 freenetwork at web.de wrote: > 1) CHK-keys are already long enough Long enough to be a PITA if they are longer? Or long enough to be functional? I dispute the latter. > 2) why add something that tries to fix something broken (routing?) or > contradicts the concep

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:15:43 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thursday 23 April 2009 21:23:24 Jack T Mudge III wrote: > > 1. It seems that when keys are posted on FMS (not so much frost), > > they often get chopped off at 80 characters, leaving the user to > > remove the newlines by hand. If the

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:23:22 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > ... IF the 3 nodes which stored it to their datastores are online > when you fetch and there aren't any problems contacting them (e.g. on > darknet they might have swapped). I'm still a little confused about what a routing key is. You

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-05-03 Thread Juiceman
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Friday 24 April 2009 17:46:09 freenetwork at web.de wrote: >> 1) CHK-keys are already long enough > > Long enough to be a PITA if they are longer? Or long enough to be functional? > I dispute the latter. > >> 2) why add something that t

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-05-03 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Sun, 3 May 2009 01:46:37 -0400, Juiceman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Toseland > wrote: > > On Friday 24 April 2009 17:46:09 freenetwork at web.de wrote: > >> 1) CHK-keys are already long enough > > > > Long enough to be a PITA if they are longer? Or long enough to be > > f

[freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
Anecdotal evidence suggests that right now at least one third of our content persistence problems boil down to this one bug: "I added it 2 weeks ago and it still hasn't got past 0% (0/1)". A new key type, DHKs (Duplicated Hash Keys), would solve the problem, but the new keys would be twice as lo

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-23 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:16:40 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > GORY DETAILS: > > Currently we use: > CHK@,, > > (Filenames afterwards are manifests, and therefore impact on the CHK) Isn't the first part supposed to be the data hash, and not a routing key. And what is a routing key anyways? :P Ho

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-23 Thread Jack T Mudge III
On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16:40 am Matthew Toseland wrote: > Anecdotal evidence suggests that right now at least one third of our > content persistence problems boil down to this one bug: "I added it 2 weeks > ago and it still hasn't got past 0% (0/1)". A new key type, DHKs > (Duplicated Hash Ke

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-24 Thread freenetw...@web.de
1) CHK-keys are already long enough 2) why add something that tries to fix something broken (routing?) or contradicts the concept (caching of keys around the key location; unused content gets dropped) if a) unwanted content is supposed to be dropped from the network to make space for fresh stuff a

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 23 April 2009 17:25:11 Dennis Nezic wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:16:40 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > GORY DETAILS: > > > > Currently we use: > > CHK@,, > > > > (Filenames afterwards are manifests, and therefore impact on the CHK) > > Isn't the first part supposed to be the da

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 23 April 2009 21:23:24 Jack T Mudge III wrote: > On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16:40 am Matthew Toseland wrote: > > Anecdotal evidence suggests that right now at least one third of our > > content persistence problems boil down to this one bug: "I added it 2 weeks > > ago and it still h

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 24 April 2009 17:46:09 freenetw...@web.de wrote: > 1) CHK-keys are already long enough Long enough to be a PITA if they are longer? Or long enough to be functional? I dispute the latter. > 2) why add something that tries to fix something broken (routing?) or > contradicts the concept (

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:15:43 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thursday 23 April 2009 21:23:24 Jack T Mudge III wrote: > > 1. It seems that when keys are posted on FMS (not so much frost), > > they often get chopped off at 80 characters, leaving the user to > > remove the newlines by hand. If the

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-04-25 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:23:22 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > ... IF the 3 nodes which stored it to their datastores are online > when you fetch and there aren't any problems contacting them (e.g. on > darknet they might have swapped). I'm still a little confused about what a routing key is. You

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-05-02 Thread Juiceman
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Friday 24 April 2009 17:46:09 freenetw...@web.de wrote: >> 1) CHK-keys are already long enough > > Long enough to be a PITA if they are longer? Or long enough to be functional? > I dispute the latter. > >> 2) why add something that trie

Re: [freenet-support] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

2009-05-03 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Sun, 3 May 2009 01:46:37 -0400, Juiceman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Toseland > wrote: > > On Friday 24 April 2009 17:46:09 freenetw...@web.de wrote: > >> 1) CHK-keys are already long enough > > > > Long enough to be a PITA if they are longer? Or long enough to be > > func