Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Michael Chapman
> yes indeed, my mistake. > Hardly a "mistake" ... the Web's pretty big ;-)> I stumbled upon one of these when googling for something else, long ago, then forgot about it ... until this morning ... Not sure what (if anything) it does to the discussion, though ... (?). M. > Etienne > > On Fri, Oc

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread etienne deleflie
yes indeed, my mistake. Etienne On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Michael Chapman wrote: > > Also > > M. > >>> I think the *real* problem is that sursound does not have a publicly >>> available archive. >>> >>> Etienne >> >> You are at

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Michael Chapman
Also M. >> I think the *real* problem is that sursound does not have a publicly >> available archive. >> >> Etienne > > You are at > ... > and I always thought this list was 'private'

Re: [Sursound] Uniformity of hemispherical LS layout

2012-10-11 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2012-10-11, Fabio Kaiser wrote: So that means, for sound source directions in the near of the horizon, speakers below the horizon also contribute and if I leave them out I am missing something and get a false localization!? Exactly so. Controlled opposites (or in-phase) decoding can make s

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Michael Chapman
> I think the *real* problem is that sursound does not have a publicly > available archive. > > Etienne You are at ... and I always thought this list was 'private' ... ;-(> (I think ... I may ... have seen other mirrors ... but not sure .

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread etienne deleflie
I think the *real* problem is that sursound does not have a publicly available archive. Etienne On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, etienne deleflie wrote: >>> However, I do see there is a Surround Music group on FB that looks pretty >>> active. https://www.facebook.com/groups/472608276094365/ > >

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread etienne deleflie
>> However, I do see there is a Surround Music group on FB that looks pretty >> active. https://www.facebook.com/groups/472608276094365/ a quote from that page: "I’m playing a VDT (Verband Deutche Tonmeister) event at Galaxy 10/6 using an 8.0 setup (quad on the ground and quad in the air). I don

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2012-10-11, Aaron Heller wrote: However, I do see there is a Surround Music group on FB that looks pretty active. https://www.facebook.com/groups/472608276094365/ This group might then benefit from an immediate mindmeld with ours. All admins as admins in the new group, all members being a

Re: [Sursound] Internet communication

2012-10-11 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2012-10-11, Paul Hodges wrote: Actually, the most important thing is that the list/forum/whatever and its archive is held somewhere that can be considered reliable long-term. This list satisfies that; Facebook, to my mind, does not (being too consumer oriented, and therefore subject to the

Re: [Sursound] Uniformity of hemispherical LS layout

2012-10-11 Thread Martin Leese
Fabio Kaiser wrote: ... > So, Ambisonics in the end is also just creating phantom sources, just using > a little fancier approach!? Er ,,, maybe I am missing something, but surely most surround sound systems create phantom images. The alternative is to have a speaker in every desired direction wh

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2012-10-11, Augustine Leudar wrote: What about a forum? An FB group is definitely a forum already. I mean mailing lists are s 1980s - with a forum you can easily see/search for earlier posts and topics? If search functionality is wanted, I'd advocate for more and better functionali

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2012-10-11, Charlie Richmond wrote: How about a simple group called ambisonic or Ambisonics, in FB? There already is an ambisonics group in fb: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ambisonics/ On FB, pages and groups are severa

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Martin Leese
Augustine Leudar wrote: > What about a forum ? I mean mailing lists are s 1980s - with a forum > you can easily see/search for earlier posts and topics ? Is such a > suggestion blasphemous ? A forum was part of the original Ambisonia.com. It was little used, and was also SPAMmed to death. Pe

Re: [Sursound] [OT] FB etc.

2012-10-11 Thread Michael Chapman
, ruthless and certainly not caring at all about > constitutional procedures. (Of course pretending to act in a > constitutional way. And don't forget that Hitler had been jailed after a > failed military plot a decade before... The second time the > plot/revolution was st

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Augustine Leudar
FB? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> There already is an ambisonics group in fb: >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/**pages/Ambisonics/<https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ambisonics/> >>> < >>> https://www.

Re: [Sursound] Somting for the Weekend - Commerisal 3D sound

2012-10-11 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 10/11/2012 09:09 AM, Dave Malham wrote: Hmm, just got round to looking at the Wittek/Thiele paper. "Interesting" is right. I have the greatest of respect for both Helmut and Gunther, but paper isn't really up to their normal, very high, standards. Just two mentions of (higher order) Ambisonics

Re: [Sursound] Somting for the Weekend - Commerisal 3D sound

2012-10-11 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 10/05/2012 03:40 PM, Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: As I visited the MPEG Symposium in Stockholm this summer and listened to the 3D sound session I want to give a pointer to http://www.auro-technologies.com/consumer/experience There will be Titles released on the movies this autum using this tech

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 10/11/2012 06:59 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: What about a forum ? I mean mailing lists are s 1980s - with a forum you can easily see/search for earlier posts and topics ? Is such a suggestion blasphemous ? not at all. if a facebook group works for some people, by all means go ahead. it'

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Aaron Heller
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Charlie Richmond wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Stefan Schreiber > wrote: > >> Sampo Syreeni wrote: >> >> >>> How about a simple group called ambisonic or Ambisonics, in FB? >> >> > There already is an ambisonics group in fb: > > https://www.facebook.co

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Charlie Richmond
> > > No, but forums are s 90s. > > FB is sooo noughties. > > Google+ ? *ducking* Well that is the latest major format, taint it? C-) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/

Re: [Sursound] Internet communication

2012-10-11 Thread Paul Hodges
Actually, the most important thing is that the list/forum/whatever and its archive is held somewhere that can be considered reliable long-term. This list satisfies that; Facebook, to my mind, does not (being too consumer oriented, and therefore subject to the vagaries of fashion). This matters

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Stefan Schreiber
/< https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ambisonics/108150639213488?fref=ts> C-) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20121011/41002919/attach

Re: [Sursound] Internet communication

2012-10-11 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 11 October 2012 17:59 +0100 Augustine Leudar wrote: What about a forum ? I mean mailing lists are s 1980s - with a forum you can easily see/search for earlier posts and topics ? Is such a suggestion blasphemous ? --On 09 October 2012 08:16 +0100 Paul Hodges wrote: Frankly, I do

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Martin Leese wrote: Carsten Bohn wrote: It has sort of got lost in the melee. ... This list has an amazing "side-effect", which is : getting to know "new words & things" that I haven't heard as off now, f.e. "M?l?e" : which Google translates in german to something like "fray in

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Marc Lavallée
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Re: [Sursound] [Sursoun] [OT] Facebook group

2012-10-11 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Sampo Syreeni wrote: On 2012-10-08, Charlie Richmond wrote: We will add you to the group if you want - there are 120 people on there now But you aren't 'friends' of mine so I can't ask you to join Charlie, again a word of caution: nowadays you can't really know who will be added

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Augustine Leudar
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Re: [Sursound] Soundfield mic for sale

2012-10-11 Thread Eric Carmichel
and what you mean when it comes to budgeting. Very good luck in your search for a Soundfield mic. Best, Eric www.cochlearconcepts.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/s

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Charlie Richmond
ook.com/pages/Ambisonics/108150639213488?fref=ts> C-) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20121011/41002919/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Stefan Schreiber
part, lighter discussion and publicity is a waste of my time. Best, Stefan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20121011/8eba115c/attachm

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread Stefan Schreiber
we can't! Best, Stefan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20121011/e823898f/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https:

Re: [Sursound] [OT] FB etc.

2012-10-11 Thread Stefan Schreiber
jailed after a failed military plot a decade before... The second time the plot/revolution was still there, but far more hidden and slower.) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20121011/1eb323f9

Re: [Sursound] Uniformity of hemispherical LS layout

2012-10-11 Thread Fabio Kaiser
Am 10.10.2012 um 22:57 schrieb Fons Adriaensen: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 08:03:04AM +0200, Fabio Kaiser wrote: > >> So my concern is with finding a uniform distribution of points >> on a hemisphere. Assuming L available points my approach of >> checking uniformity is that: >> >> - Making an ed

Re: [Sursound] Something for the Weekend - Commerical 3D sound

2012-10-11 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
As this was in a session on next gen MPEG format, and header specification in MPEG among other things... If I remembers correctly there was a possibility to specify that the audio format was - WFS - 5.1 - 7.1 - 22.1 No possibility to carry pure ambisonics using our defined Orders, as far as I

Re: [Sursound] Somting for the Weekend - Commerisal 3D sound

2012-10-11 Thread Dave Malham
Hmm, just got round to looking at the Wittek/Thiele paper. "Interesting" is right. I have the greatest of respect for both Helmut and Gunther, but paper isn't really up to their normal, very high, standards. Just two mentions of (higher order) Ambisonics and no inclusion of it in the comparison tab