If you don't mind, I would like to see comparative mpg numbers, of the
various trips.
It would be interesting, to see where -vs.- mpg, for your vehicle.
Greg H.
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> Greg,
>
> I haven't driven across the entire country so I will only speak for the
> mil
It seems that it couldn't be any more violent than a drill and paint
stirrer, and THAT I have done with good success.
Washing it the same way also proved a good method.
Once processed, test it using the quality test;
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality and if you habe
I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!!
Fritz
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> Well it was the adults who elected gwb in
A stock TDI has 90 hp and 155 ft-lbs torque. I'm sure it will have
no problem over the mountains. My modified TDI has 110 hp and 225
ft-lbs torque.
Hi Todd,
What mods have you made to the TDI?
Bigger intercooler? What else?
Enquiring minds...
thanks,
andres
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You've got to love those kids.
They recognize a winner when they hear one.
Don't be to harsh on them.
How were they to know
someone wouldn't like the results
after that there in?
They picked Clinton and the Bush's
and now their moving on with Kerry.
Someone had to win.
Maybe next
Driving by myself and no luggage, I get 51.8 mpg at a constant 60 mph
(tested only once). With two people and luggage, I vary between 47 and 49
mpg at a constant 70 mph. I have driven from Indiana to Maine and to
Colorado, and these numbers do not vary considerably. If you want
specific numbers
It would take too long to go over all the posts that really blow it.
There are so many of them. I'm going to stick with biofuels and
related topics, and leave it to the rest of you muckrakers. I'm not
the one who stirs stuff up, but I sure get beat over the head when I
ocassionaly object to
Wake up for a change to the number of ways you keep copping out. You make
claims and then don't substantiate them. You claim one-sidedness but don't
offer anything, much less anything credible to the side you claim is under
represented.
Face it. You implicate, instigate and leave a trail of
I haven't driven across the entire country so I will only speak for the
miles I have incurred.
You say you get 50 MHG with your Beetle, how many people is that with?
With more than one person and necessary luggage for going across
country (
at least a week ), your mileage is going to go do
>I got the product of my first conversion this morning and it looks straw
>yellow but a bit cloudy, should I let it sit to clarify or should I wash
>it?
You will need to do your meth recovery before you wash it as washing will
remove the meth into the wash water where its harder to recover.
>w
While I can't recall the exact time frame, late 70s early/mid 80s a local
independent oil producer found it cost effective to operate their own power
plant and run a small oil field off grid. This is not to say the case
would be the same for Kim or anyone else, just says the idea is worth
resear
Well it was the adults who elected gwb in 2000. A man even prior to 9-11 who
was proven eager to lie or waffle, however you want to put it, if it served
his ends. Worse yet who was effectively willing to deal with the Taliban
terrorists on Nov. 10, 2001. Using gwb's own rhetoric to judge him by,
Good people, good technology. Works well in colder climates as well as warm
ones.
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Sorry
http://www.greasel.com
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:02 PM
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It would take too long to go over all the posts that really blow it. There are
so many of them. I'm going to stick with biofuels and related topics, and leave
it to the rest of you muckrakers. I'm not the one who stirs stuff up, but I
sure get beat over the head when I ocassionaly object to the
President Carter.)
You know, for a guy that doesn't have enough time to address what he stirs
up, you sure do like to keep that ladle moving.
Please, would you do everyone a very big service and point to the
half-truths (plural) and misinformation that you are eluding to? And when
you've ad
Peggy,
How can I contact you or your group directly? Please respond to me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . I am interested in your small scale ethanol
prodution systems.
Thanks,
Bill Clark
Director, The Fuel for School Project
Eufaula, AL 36027
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I did not imply that being anti-bush is being anti-american. But we
have many on this list that are both.
I disagree. Hakan's clear distinction holds good. Many are indeed
against US foreign policy, or US policy in general, and that includes
many Americans, and it is not being "anti-America
Hello Keith,
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> I can't believe it - this is TENTH this year. Usually there are only
> two or maybe three a year in J
Sorry
http://www.greasel.com
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Haven’t ordered from these guys but did find their site.
Looks good
http://www.geasel.com
mel
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I think the concept of efficiency has to be broadened to be realistic
here, unless we're going to stick with the narrow definition of the
neo-liberal economists ("autistic" economics). Which we're not going
to do, and never have. True cost pricing, which has a hope of
distinguishing
>Walt you out there? If so, would you care to chime in and add any new
>information?
Haven't blown myself up yet :-)
Don't know that there's anything I'd call "new" but it's more along the
lines of the saying that "the only thing new is the history you don't
know." There have been
Pocatello Idaho
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Numbers and mileage may vary with your personal situation.
Not the end all...
Just an idea of what it "might" cost
But thanks for the link to affordable Power
I already emailed them about buying one.
What city are they in?
mel
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"The greatest patriot that this country has seen in many years if
Michael Moore"???
bwaahahhhahhahhahha .
I think you meant the greatest idiot, but then there are a few others that
would have to share that title, like Pat Robertson, Jesse Jackson, David Duke,
Peewee Herman, etc.
= = =
I did not imply that being anti-bush is being anti-american. But we have many
on this list that are both. I don't believe I'm required to listen to one side,
without speaking up for the other side once in a great while. Especially when I
see half truths and hateful misinformation being spread.
Numbers and mileage may vary with your personal situation.
Not the end all...
Just an idea of what it "might" cost
But thanks for the link to affordable Power
I already emailed them about buying one.
What city are they in?
mel
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> I can't believe it - this is TENTH this year. Usually there are only
> two or maybe three a year in Japa
12.5 kW Detroit Diesel 2-71's at www.affordablepower.com, delivered for $3100.
Used, but full of life. We love ours, and expect you'll love one too. Please
let them know that you heard about them from me. In warm weather, they run fine
on cold wvo, no conversion necessary. At about 60F, you nee
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OK let's do some math
3/4 gallon per hour
Let's say you want to run it 10 hours per day.
Assuming you don~t have all the free oil you can get, and you have to buy.
SS> I do, but ok, we will "assume".
A gallon of oil is around 2 to 3 per gallon in 5 gallon cans
Conversation with a Conservative: Clyde Prestowitz
In the first of four conversations between Mother Jones and prominent
conservatives who've become Bush critics, Reagan administration
veteran Clyde Prestowitz explains that four years of Republican rule
have put the country on the wrong trac
Conversation with a Conservative: Russell Train
Russell Train, head of the Environmental Protection Agency under
Richard Nixon, explains that the Bush administration has declared
"war" on the environment.
December 31, 1969
We're at war in Iraq. They tell us we're at war against terrorism.
Conversation with a Conservative: John Dean
The former counsel to President Nixon says the way the Bush
administration has governed has been "worse than Watergate."
October 15, 2004
Looking at the Bush administration, I found that I really had to tell
the story that no one was telling, an
I got the product of my first conversion this morning and it looks straw
yellow but a bit cloudy, should I let it sit to clarify or should I wash
it? will the cloudiness wash out? does that mean that my reaction is
incomplete? should I add more lye and methanol and reprocess? should I
have
No, but the discussion was efficiency not speed.
Brian
> Brian wrote:
>
>> There was a 60 Minutes piece on low cost airlines last week. One
>> graphic they showed was the fact that it took 55 gallons of fuel per
>> person to fly coast to coast. That is if the plane is full, and I am
>> assumin
What I know is that I have Migraine Headaches, and the cost of seeing a
doctor without the insurance that we now have would be prohibitive.I
went through 8-9 years of roughly twice a month migraines ( up until about a
year ago when the frequency jumped to about 2-3 times a week ), because I
di
OK let's do some math
3/4 gallon per hour
Let's say you want to run it 10 hours per day.
Assuming you don’t have all the free oil you can get, and you have to buy.
A gallon of oil is around 2 to 3 per gallon in 5 gallon cans or 55 gallon drums
So you are going to be using about 7 gallons per
I do all my own installs who is "They"
They only people that want "someone qualified" is power companies giving
rebates like here in Austin.
But at 5 per watt rebate, it more than pays for itself.
Unless you are going to grid tie, or have some planning and "permits" board
breathing down your
Check the archives, their was a discussion several months back, but, Walt
posted some info about good conversion rates with the catalyst ground to a
powder, and in a liquid suspension.My last computer crash took the
specific info with it.
I found it once, using " Methanol " as the search word
Steve,
You have been so long on the list, that you know that the Americans are an
minority. If you looked at the latest international polls, the
international communities are quite ant-Bush. To say that if you are
anti-Bush, you are anti-American, is a dirty blow and way under the belt
and i
How efficient is it when you add in the cost of insurance, hotels,
restraints, tire life, engine wear, and the energy to produce / provide
those goods and services?Don't tell me you are going to sleep in the
car. No one get's a good nights sleep in a vehicle, with more than one
person in i
What I did notice was an all encompassing blanket statement, which generally
places its propigator in an untenable position straight out of the chute. To
your credit you acknowledge that somewhat.
Don't watch tele here. So I can't say one way or another what would be
considered healthy chil
3/4 gallon per hour, depending on load. That's the high side. The gen was $3100
delivered, before the wvo adaption. it probably wouldn't need a wvo conversion
in your temperatures.
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Thanks for the info Steve,
I realize that different machines get different rates of
> somebody had to speak up, or folks will think this is the anti-bush,
> anti-american list, not the biofuel list.
I have been very tempted to leave this list recently for this very
reason. I simply do not have time to filter out all the dross when
trying to find the information about biofuels. I
Actually, I appreciate the post. I have loved Vonnegut ever since I was
introduced to Kilgore Trout in third grade. Truly a great American, and I
am grateful that the important message that he relates is shared here.
Brian
> That was not pleasant nor was it helpful. So what was it?
>
> Peggy
> you missed "Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have
> more sense than that ;-)" which skews the polls to primarily democrats. I
> can't prove that claim, but it sounds good. That channel (among others)
> will turn there minds to mush. My kids prefer the "wings" channel, wic
own stuff. All of it. One of my big complaints about solar is that they
don't want you to do your own install. Why should I pay someone to do what
I can do for free? Many of us are good scrounge artists and
wheeler/dealers. The prices you quoted are retail, and I never pay
retail. Steve
Actually, all of the people that I know who do not own TV sets or allow
their kids to watch TV are true liberals. I know more than a few
Republicans, living in Indiana, and they ALL let their kids watch all of
the Nickelodeon they want. Of course, many are so fed up with the way
things are that
I realize that different machines get different rates of usage, but could
you give me your gallons per hour of veggie oil usage?
I have been looking at our power usage trying to determine what size
generator I need. I am strongly leaning towards the idea of using 2
generators. The first o
you missed "Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have more
sense than that ;-)" which skews the polls to primarily democrats. I can't
prove that claim, but it sounds good. That channel (among others) will turn
there minds to mush. My kids prefer the "wings" channel, wich I b
Yes Steve you and I can do this cheaper than most folks, as we do it ourselves.
But someone less mechanically inclined will yell for expensive help the first
time it breaks and they can’t fix it. And getting a good diesel mechanic out to
fix a SVO run unit is going to cost a lot.
They get a go
Came across this link whilst trying to find transparant hose:
>http://www.alfalaval.com/ecoreJava/WebObjects/ecoreJava.woa/wa/showNode?siteNod
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Are you including the cost of the generator?
And parts when it wears out?
And you do all your own stuff, but what of folks that don't
The numbers I quoted are what we calculated for a hunting lodge in Mexico that
ran a big gennie every day for 20 years.
mel
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When you say
Of course they believe whatever their parents do at that age.
you corroborate that the majority of parents of those children are
supposedly going to vote for John Kerry.
That was, after all, the point of the poll - that children are perhaps a
reasonably accurate barometer of
It's going to cost you WAY MORE to run the gennie per kilowatt than buying grid
electricity.
SS> no, not really. $0.08 / kWh in $0.15 kWh Grid territory
On the order of 20 to 40 cents per kilowatt. You WILL pay for the cost of solar
panels in a few years of fuel, maintenance and "problems" w
Good thing we don't let kids vote. Of course they believe whatever their
parents do at that age. That's why we let them develop brains before we let
them vote. Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have more
sense than that ;-)
Here's hoping for 4 years of anyone but Kerry.
Our kWh costs on the VeggieGen are running about $0.08 / kWh (fuel filtering,
expected maintenance, depreciation of capital assets). This is in Niagara
Mohawk Power territory where electric is $0.15 / kWh delivered. This does not
include the $15k capital expense avoided by not having power line
Actually we rarely get to 115, but it does happen. Then I spend my day
spraying the hose on my livestock so they can survive.
Swamp coolers don't work well with high humidity. What I am doing is to
keep the metal roof cool so heat does not build up and come inside, that is
all.
Bright Bl
Actually paper adobe is more suited to my climate, and yes, I do plan on
building a proper home one of these years. This was suppose to come before
going off grid, as is, I live in my metal barn. While I do keep it fairly
cool by running a sprinkler system on the roof, I do still require
A
5' into my property and my trees are on my property line. I did consider
putting the meter pole out front and running the power underground to save
the rest of the headaches with their additional poles, but this will not
save my trees at the front of my property.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 06
Hi,
Just wondering..
Megan
SE Gippsland, Victoria
There are hundreds of Australians on the list! No need of count them all.
No worries..
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Megan
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This leads me to my next question. I believe the
reason we all use 55 degrees is because of the low
boiling point of methanol. I spoke to a PhD in
chemical engineering who indicated he had designed a
quick and no wash process. He was clearly not going
to give me any details on the process.
Hello Todd, Tilly and All ;
Thanks for your responses.
--- tillyfromparadise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
At 55deg c the reaction takes about
60 minutes to complete.
This leads me to my next question. I believe the
reason we all use 55 degrees is because of the low
boiling point of metha
I wonder how these grants are going to work. In
Virginia, I was just informed that it is illegal to
operate an ethanol fuel still. It seems that some
states are still backwards in their thinking processes
and are content to carry on with the statue quo.
Education grants are useless if you cannot
Nigel in Ballarat
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> Robert, also in Melbourne.
>
>
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Hi Todd ;
Yes good point about wobbling at high speed. These
have 4 stationary poles going down to the impellor for
stability. The shaft looks like 1 in.
Thanks much for the info.
Best Regards,
Peter G.
Thailand
--- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> There a good idea if
Hello Todd, Tilly and All ;
Thanks for your responses.
--- tillyfromparadise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> At 55deg c the reaction takes about
> 60 minutes to complete.
This leads me to my next question. I believe the
reason we all use 55 degrees is because of the low
boiling point of methano
Chris up in Townsville QLD
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>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Robert, also in Melbourne.
>
>
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Graham and Jeni in Kempsey NSW Oz
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> Mark in Gordon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: And
Todd wrote:
"I am looking for some help regarding the formation of a small commercial
operation. ... Can anyone help lead me
in the right direction?"
The Bush Administration published a great book earlier this year. The book
is specifically for Biodiesel producers, 210 pages. The book can be
Mark in Gordon
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Megan Wood
Bush gave a speech today in Minneapolis. A significant part of the speech
was on Biodiesel and Ethanol alternative fuels. It sounds like he intends
to increase the funding for more education grants through the USDA. I
remember when Bush authorized large education grants for Biodiesel last
year,
Robert, also in Melbourne.
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Megan Woods wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just wondering..
>
> Megan
>
There was a 60 Minutes piece on low cost airlines last week. One
graphic they showed was the fact that it took 55 gallons of fuel per
person to fly coast to coast. That is if the plane is full, and I am
assuming they figured in cargo (although this is not necessarily a
safe assumption). A
I'm fairly new to the list and have been lurking for a bit. The comment
about the air conditioner was just that at that time they had almost
not heard of air conditioners. I realize that Texas is HOT. I wouldn't
work at 115F, let alone my computer.
You mentioned you spray water on the ro
There a good idea if they're being offered at a reasonable price, can mate
them to something readily available or semi-inexpensive and have a use for
all of them within a reasonable future frame of time.
Is the central shaft 3/4" to 1" in diameter? If so, a coupler can be easily
found. You'
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> Thanks Max, that is really enlightening. I'm looking forward to your next
> email.
>
> Christopher
H
It's going to cost you WAY MORE to run the gennie per kilowatt than buying
grid electricity.
On the order of 20 to 40 cents per kilowatt. You WILL pay for the cost of
solar panels in a few years of fuel, maintenance and "problems" with the
mechanical generator.
I have a 20 kw propane gennie here
Hi Kim,
> temperatures can hit over 115F, so AC is necessary, not just a
> luxury. I only cool my place to about 80F.
When you get a chance, you might want to look into 'wrapping' your house in
strawbale and insulating your roof with wool. It'll help keep those summer
temperatures down in t
It is interesting to note that Texas, second in population of the states seems
to have less incentives across the board.
Looking at the incentives for most of the states, they mainly have to do with
the power grid and no so much alternate fuels specifically for vehicles.
On Wednesday, Octob
Ethanol From Cellulose: A General Review
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-017.html
Hans
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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
> It is possible to t
Hello Peggy.
Go to the following web page and you'll find every thing
1976 to present db for (cellulosic AND ethanol): 7284 US patents.
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=71&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&s1=%28lignocellulose+AND+ethanol%29
Hello All ;
I have an opportunity to buy 4-5 stainless steel
agitators. They are about 1 meter long, and the
impellors are about 6" in diameter and are designed to
run at full speed (ie. no gear reduction). In other
words, they really whip the mixture, not just agitate
it. They have an outer s
That was not pleasant nor was it helpful. So what was it?
Peggy
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No more years
Favorite moments from Bush's one-term presidency
By Molly Ivins
Creators Syndicate
Oct 19, 2004
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17894
AUSTIN, Texas -- Four more years?
Seems like every group and its hamster has put out some
kind of dossier on the la
Kids Opt for Kerry in Bellwether Online Poll
October 20, 2004 by Reuter
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1020-08.htm
LOS ANGELES - The kids have spoken, and it's
Sen. John Kerry with a convincing victory over
President Bush on Nov. 2.
An unusual opinion poll that has correctly pr
Thank you Andres, Pam and Peggy for this US
Database of State Incentives for Renewable Energy (DSIRE)
> Our state energy commissioner gave me the following Internet site which
> shows benefits from all the states.
>
> Peggy
> From: Pam Groce
>
> Peggy-
> Try this link - once you are on the
Hi Greg and All ;
I have been reading with interest this thread. Does
anyone have any specific process conditions for
converting wood into methanol. I read somewhere that
pyrolysis at normal atmosphereic pressure gives only
1-2% methanol in the gas stream. This does not sound
very efficient.
GM sees China, India buying Brazil flex-fuel cars
BRAZIL: October 20, 2004
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/27772/story.htm
SAO PAULO, Brazil - China and India are among
countries that inquired about purchases of Brazilian
flex-fuel vehicles, the vice president of General
More Brazilian Driver Turn to Ethanol
By Todd Benson
Oct 20, 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/20/business/worldbusiness/20flex.html
SÌO PAULO, Brazil, Oct. 19 - When Brazil's state-owned oil company
announced this month that it was raising gasoline prices to keep up
with the rising c
Requiem for a Dreamer
By Kurt Vonnegut
Editorâs note: What follows is a conversation between Kurt Vonnegut and
out-of-print science fiction writer Kilgore Trout. It was to be their
last. Trout committed suicide by drinking Drano at midnight on October 15
in Cohoes, New York, after a female ps
Hi,
Just wondering..
Megan
SE Gippsland, Victoria
Andrew in Melbourne
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