Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
The extra water might not make any difference, as Joe Street and I were saying a month or so back. Some water is acceptable, but just how much is not easy to say, so it's safer to get rid of any and all water if you can. But your 93% sulphuric is worth a try. Start with low-FFA oil, preferably

Re: [Biofuel] storing biodiesel in veggie oil 55g drums

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hi James > I recently scored 14 (!!!) 55g drums of new canola oil for free. Good score! :-) The pint/quart of canola left would add 0.23-0.46% triglycerides to 55 gallons of biodiesel. Even if your processing is good that's just enough to bump you out of the standards requirements. Bob and To

Re: [Biofuel] [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
>How's about all dropping shares/stocks in oil and related products/goods, What if you'd have to buy them first but you haven't got any money? >just dumping them and investing in gold? :-) That's worse than Euros, revolutionary talk, the Empire won't like it. You don't happen to have any WMDs s

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
>Well, I really appreciate all the responses to my post. However, I'm >still at a loss as to what I can do, given only one acre of land and >the need for a productive crop rotation from the same piece of land >every year. > >So far, I saw one post that questioned whether you need crop >rotation

Re: [Biofuel] Gardening and Tires

2006-04-10 Thread Doug Foskey
1: In Australia, pallets are chipped (then the nails etc are sorted & recycled) The chips go to mulch, etc. 2: Tractor tyres, with the sidewall cut out would make a good bed. (Use a pointy carving knife to cut the walls out- & do not tell the wife! Women just do not understand! (TIC)) Lay plast

Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-10 Thread marilyn
> We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water > and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results. > Marilyn Ethanol makes a total change to emissions from the exhaust in smell, like it is not too unpleasant to breath while the engine is running. No real need to go to the

Re: [Biofuel] [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?

2006-04-10 Thread lres1
How's about all dropping shares/stocks in oil and related products/goods, just dumping them and investing in gold? 1976 -1977 Gettie oil was in Nabalek/Ranger uranium mining/surveying in Australia, now Iran has the stuff, all in the same basket them bods. Get rid of the oil and shares go into gold

Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-10 Thread Bob Carr
Try it, then you can tell us. Lol. But seriously though, I would guess that the extra 2% is most likely either water or a gelling agent to make it thicker and stickier. Water will give you some extra soap in your wash, not sure what a gelling agent might do. I would suggest investing your two do

Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-10 Thread lres1
Doug - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer > We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water > and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results. > Marilyn Ethanol makes

Re: [Biofuel] [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?

2006-04-10 Thread D. Mindock
Hi Keith, I hope you are right about Americans. Are enough of them agitating Congress so that some action will be taken that will rid us of the Dumb-Duo? Geez, it'd be so nice. (Maybe you see things more clearly from Tokyo.) Or at least take back the war making powers they so generously gave t

Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-10 Thread marilyn
We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results. Marilyn Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Sticky/Glutinous rice from the fields makes real good ethanol. If used with and injection of 15 to 20% water it produces much more en

Re: [Biofuel] Documentation on Wood Properties

2006-04-10 Thread JJJN
Michael, Did you know a structure with wood support beams will maintain integrity longer in a fire than one of steel? This is true due to steels complete failure at a given temp where wood must be consumed to a failure point, thus taking longer. My bit of trivia, thanks for the posted site it

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-10 Thread Appal Energy
> I have my oil burner running on BD100. I would like to add the FFA from > the split ... probably 5 - 10%. Any problems anticipated w. this? Will it > stay dissolved in the BD or separate out? It will stay dissolved. You'll also find the FFAs are only slightly more viscous than the biodie

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-10 Thread Appal Energy
Thomas, You shouldn't need but between 1.5 and 1.75 gallons of 85% phosphoric for every 50 gallons of glyc cocktail that is derived from 1.5 gram titrated oil. That would work out to be approximately 0.135 to 0.157 gallons per cube, or 510 to 595 mililiters per cube. I guess the question is h

Re: [Biofuel] NYTimes.com: With Big Boost From Sugar Cane, Brazil Is Satisfying Its Fuel Needs

2006-04-10 Thread Michael Redler
...did you cc Pimentel on this one?   :-)   Mike[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from sender:Hello One and All: I thought this might be of interest to you all. Wishing all much happiness,

Re: [Biofuel] storing biodiesel in veggie oil 55g drums

2006-04-10 Thread Appal Energy
If you're really picky/concerned, rinse the drum out with a half-gallon of biodiesel. Take the oil/biodiesel rinse from all fourteen drums and mix that in with your last batch of oil to be turned into biodiesel. Or don't. Your engine won't notice any difference between straight bio and bio "con

Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-10 Thread Appal Energy
Forgot. You'll definitely want to pull off the liquid phase that settles out of the esterification if using such an acid purity. You wouldn't be sending much water over to the base side. But why include that variable if you can avoid it? Todd Swearingen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >in the foolp

Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-10 Thread Appal Energy
It should. Hopefully the other 7% is only water. Worth a try. Todd Swearingen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >in the foolproof method, as defined on the JTF web site, it is stated >to use 95% sulphuric acid. This is hard to get these days for an >individual and somewhat costly. however there is an

Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-10 Thread lres1
Sticky/Glutinous rice from the fields makes real good ethanol. If used with and injection of 15 to 20% water it produces much more energy in a tuned engine to the fuel water mix than gas. Why the need to go to other Bio-Fuels? The Ethanol with the water injection would be sufficient to run pumps,

Re: [Biofuel] storing biodiesel in veggie oil 55g drums

2006-04-10 Thread bob allen
the drums should be fine, and I wouldn't sweat a pint or two of oil in 55 gallons of bio-D. james demer wrote: > I recently scored 14 (!!!) 55g drums of new canola oil for free. I am > processing it into biodiesel and I'm running out of storage. Can I put > biodiesel back into a 55g drum that hou

[Biofuel] NYTimes.com: With Big Boost From Sugar Cane, Brazil Is Satisfying Its Fuel Needs

2006-04-10 Thread prosperityplanet
Title: E-Mail This This page was sent to you by:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from sender: Hello One and All: I thought this might be of interest to you all. Wishing all much happiness, Ana INTER

[Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-10 Thread ricalls
in the foolproof method, as defined on the JTF web site, it is stated to use 95% sulphuric acid. This is hard to get these days for an individual and somewhat costly. however there is an old fashioned drain cleaner whose MSDS reports is 93% sulphuric acid. oddly enough anybody can buy gallons w

[Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-10 Thread Johnathan Corgan
I've recently acquired through inheritance about 20 acres of farm land in rural Philippines. It's currently being used for rice and I think some tobacco. My wife's extended family works the land and the operation has now passed into our hands. Being a professional engineer and California-based c

[Biofuel] storing biodiesel in veggie oil 55g drums

2006-04-10 Thread james demer
I recently scored 14 (!!!) 55g drums of new canola oil for free. I am processing it into biodiesel and I'm running out of storage. Can I put biodiesel back into a 55g drum that housed new canola oil? I emptied the drums pretty well but there is still probably a pint to a quart of oil in the bottom

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-10 Thread Ken Provost
On Apr 10, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote:The oil I use titrates between 1.0 and 1.5g/L. That's pretty clean  oil  --  should only have maybe11g of FFA per liter, which will need about 5g (3ml)of  85% H3PO4 (per liter oil) to separate. Sounds likeyou're using about 300X too much phosphoric ac

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Michael Redler
I stumbled across this (for what it's worth):   http://www.haywired.com/microfarm/My_Links_Pages/biomass_crops_01.html   MikeKeith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Michael Redler wrote:> > Thanks Jason, Katie and Keith.> >> > The reason for my post had mostly to do with soil degradation. I

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Michael Redler
Well, I really appreciate all the responses to my post. However, I'm still at a loss as to what I can do, given only one acre of land and the need for a productive crop rotation from the same piece of land every year.   So far, I saw one post that questioned whether you need crop rotation at all

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Gary L. Green
I agree but isn't it a case where they are Green-er than a nuke plant or a coal fired power plant?Is there somewhere where someone had compared the pollutants from PV mfgr and say 10 years of pollution from an electric plant for one house?Thanks.On  11Apr, 2006, at 3:17 AM, Chip Mefford wrote:As mu

[Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-10 Thread Thomas Kelly
Hello All, I have many 4.5 gal (17.7L) cubies full of the glycerine coproduct.  I've begun the task of splitting it. I would appreciate comments on my initial results. The oil I use titrates between 1.0 and 1.5g/L. Rough calculations lead me to believe that I would need at least a Li

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Jason& Katie
ok, take ye auld oversimlification and use the 800 Gal/acre and then consider taking 5 acres to farm by rotation. one for pasture, one for fuel and the other three for restructuring (nitrogen, compost, hay, etc.) you could have the four year rotation, and never have a dry year as far as fuel is

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread Appal Energy
According to our Commander in Thief., e hehhh he, I mean Chief, It's all " wild speculation." He used those words today when referring to the article that ran some renowned rag this weekend. Oddly enough, "wild speculation" doesn't mean something isn't true. A lot of people have

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Chip Mefford
Zeke Yewdall wrote: > I think the problem is that driving 12,000 miles per year is not > sustainable, no matter if you use PV, biofuels, whatever > Of that I am not so sure. there are a *LOT* of internal combustion engines around. I mean a *LOT* of them. And they are pretty broadly deployed

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I think the problem is that driving 12,000 miles per year is not sustainable, no matter if you use PV, biofuels, whatever On 4/10/06, Chip Mefford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Zeke Yewdall wrote: > > one acre of PV will produce enough electricity to run an electric car > > roughly 1.5 million

[Biofuel] Soil and sustainability - Re: off-topic [Hydroponic gardening]

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
Here's a diagram of the soilfood web: http://www.magicsoil.com/SoilFood.htm Soil Food Web For anyone interested in soil life and sustainable growing Dr. Elaine Ingham's Soil Foodweb site is filled with interest: http://www.soilfoodweb.com/ Soil Foodweb, Inc. Along with these: http://journeyto

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Chip Mefford
Zeke Yewdall wrote: > one acre of PV will produce enough electricity to run an electric car > roughly 1.5 million miles per year... Or alternatively, you could run > it 12,000 miles or so with about 300 square feet of PV. > Yeah, *but* How sustainable are PV arrays? As much as I like PVs, and

Re: [Biofuel] off-topic [Hydroponic gardening]

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
>What about the oceans? I know that's not the same as hydroponics, but >they are a sustainable ecosystem which do not depend on soil. The >organic matter just floats around in the water. Now, I admit that >trying to bring it onto land, and grow something like tomatoes instead >of kelp, is not th

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Zeke Yewdall
one acre of PV will produce enough electricity to run an electric car roughly 1.5 million miles per year... Or alternatively, you could run it 12,000 miles or so with about 300 square feet of PV. On 4/10/06, John Mullan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought he said 800 gallons of ethanol per acr

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread John Mullan
I thought he said 800 gallons of ethanol per acre. But I don't know if either one can yeild that much. I'd be interested to know. However, Michael, perhaps you need 4 acres and rotate around so you can have everything. I know, wishful thinking. Cheers, John On 4/10/2006, "David Miller" <[EMA

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-10 Thread D. Mindock
Check out: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/jones/StevenJones.html Basically the planes were not enough to do the collapse alone. They needed help. WRT having to have the planes hit at the exact level where there would be charges, not necessary. The upper few stories wouldn't need any but maybe

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials oflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-10 Thread jtcava
Actually the plane was more correctly a giant incendiary device. So the aircraft was not a massive explosive device?? Had no effect on the structure at all?? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustai

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread Debra
from: Deborah Howard (I'm on the list) I've been reading all the messages and thought I would comment on this one. I'm a massage therapist at the "biggest casino in the world" consequently I see people all over the world on a regular basis. A few weeks ago I was in conversation with a woman in

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
>Michael Redler wrote: > > Thanks Jason, Katie and Keith. > > > > The reason for my post had mostly to do with soil degradation. I was > > researching what crops gave the best yield for ethanol production and > > began looking at sugar beets as a possibility. However, the research > > suggests that

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Sean Chadwell
Mike, et al: Could you irrigate with wash water, as well? Wouldn't that just be another form of returning all the by-product to the soil? -Sean On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 08:06 -0700, Michael Redler wrote: > Hi David, > > Going by memory, I misquoted my own post from last year. > > http://www.mai

Re: [Biofuel] New EPA Rules-digression

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
>Keith Addison wrote: > > Hello Mike > > > > > >>Keith, > >> BIG SNIP > > See what John Stauber has to say about the big enviro groups. > > http://www.ratical.org/ratville/PRcorrupt.html > > WAR ON TRUTH, The Secret Battle for the American Mind > >You know, > >There is a reason some of us scream "s

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
Mike, if you do it the cheap and easy way you can have biofuel feedstock coming out all over the place a few times a year. If you're going to focus on biofuels crops production and yields, that's when it gets messy, and the soil depletion problem is the one you won't solve. If you farm instead

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread Keith Addison
>Keith, > > Most (or enough) Americans are asleep or indifferent. Don't believe it! We were discussing it here about a week ago. >If we had a real >mainstream media here, that >didn't screen out news unfavorable to the administration, especially the >bogus wars, things would never deteriorated

Re: [Biofuel] Garrison Keillor on Bush II

2006-04-10 Thread D. Mindock
Doug, I suppose there could be some benefits of cell phone tracking. But it always seem that privacy has to be forked over. Making your cell phone trackable should be a user option, not mandatory. The same for the black boxes in cars that allow tracking. Everything is being done to "protect

Re: [Biofuel] off-topic [Hydroponic gardening]

2006-04-10 Thread Zeke Yewdall
What about the oceans? I know that's not the same as hydroponics, but they are a sustainable ecosystem which do not depend on soil. The organic matter just floats around in the water. Now, I admit that trying to bring it onto land, and grow something like tomatoes instead of kelp, is not the sam

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11

2006-04-10 Thread Michael Redler
Okeedokee.   I'm not into putting a lot of energy into this argument. Suffice to say that I haven't seen a compelling argument to change my opinion - even after visiting http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm.   Mike "Gary L. Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bull pucky, mate.http://mcadams.posc.

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Michael Redler
Hi David,   Going by memory, I misquoted my own post from last year.   http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51322.html   Sugar beets and ethanol production: According to a page on http://www.green-trust.org, the estimate is 1200 gallons per acre of land and that the 800

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11

2006-04-10 Thread Gary L. Green
Bull pucky, mate. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm Have a look. When you figure in the angle of the supposed snipers nest there is just no way. That dog don't hunt. I collected a variety of Kennedy assassination information from so many sources. Most of it destroyed when my hard drive g

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread lres1
If it didn't work in the 60's with the same families at the helm why will it work in Iran or Iraq??? 50 + million people sleeping??? Wake UP. How's about private organization like this setting up an extra to elections where people can actually say and confirm on a separate network who they voted f

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials oflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-10 Thread lres1
> Another unanswered question: why were the massive steel beams quickly > gathered up and > ship off for scrap? Is it because the beams might've shown that they were > torn apart by If you have been down to ground Zero you will notice there is no room to store the debris from a fraction of one

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread David Miller
Michael Redler wrote: > Thanks Jason, Katie and Keith. > > The reason for my post had mostly to do with soil degradation. I was > researching what crops gave the best yield for ethanol production and > began looking at sugar beets as a possibility. However, the research > suggests that root cr

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread Gary L. Green
ARE the same fat cat.On  10Apr, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Gary L. Green wrote:People have also got to quit voting for who ever puts on the best dog and pony show at election time.  Democraps & Republickends and the same fat cat, just a different color.  We need to get independents, greens and others in.  A

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11

2006-04-10 Thread Michael Redler
What about the Pentagon?   I have not seen any footage of a plane, no witnesses who saw a plane, no debris from a passenger plane or a manifest of passengers for the flight that was supposed to have crashed into the Pentagon.   The Warren Commission was a joke. However, if you simply move the s

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread Gary L. Green
People have also got to quit voting for who ever puts on the best dog and pony show at election time.  Democraps & Republickends and the same fat cat, just a different color.  We need to get independents, greens and others in.  As long as we keep voting for corporate dupes we're dead.Scary but Nade

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-10 Thread Michael Redler
Thanks Jason, Katie and Keith.   The reason for my post had mostly to do with soil degradation. I was researching what crops gave the best yield for ethanol production and began looking at sugar beets as a possibility. However, the research suggests that root crops can't be planted every year bec

Re: [Biofuel] New EPA Rules-digression

2006-04-10 Thread Chip Mefford
Keith Addison wrote: > Hello Mike > > >>Keith, >> BIG SNIP > See what John Stauber has to say about the big enviro groups. > http://www.ratical.org/ratville/PRcorrupt.html > WAR ON TRUTH, The Secret Battle for the American Mind You know, There is a reason some of us scream "shenanigans" or foul

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread D. Mindock
Keith, Most (or enough) Americans are asleep or indifferent. If we had a real mainstream media here, that didn't screen out news unfavorable to the administration, especially the bogus wars, things would never deteriorated to the low level we have now. I hardly ever watch TV news and get my

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Garrison Keillor on Bush II

2006-04-10 Thread lres1
Cell phones can already be tracked by signal. Not sure it helps in a heart attack but my phone tells where I am if asked. Cell phones can be used as "guidance" to target. Took an extra 2 or 3 years to get digital phones on the market as the boss needed the ability to locate/listen before their rel

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread lres1
And slowly, oh ever so slowly they awake but awakening they are. Does time give enough??? http://educate-yourself.org/cn/awakenedvetsindex.shtml Doug From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb

[Biofuel] Fw: Funny :)

2006-04-10 Thread keith
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