Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia Was Testimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread D. Mindock
Yep, I too admire scientists, real truth seeking ones, not those who can be bought to produce desired outcomes. My degree is in science, atmospheric. Basically I am trained to run computer models of the atmosphere and to enhance the models so they correlate more closely to reality. Reality, aka

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread MK DuPree
Love your sense of humor D, ie Bob's love of data etc at times being awe inspiring. But Bob might consider your comments awful. It's 4am as I write this, and I'm awfully tired. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent:

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread D. Mindock
Yo Mike, I'm a night owl. I go to bed at dawn. Four years working rotating shifts as a weather forecaster has totally screwed up whatever body clock I had. I was a preemie and the lights were on all the time. That was the first assault on my body clock. Bob is Bob (did Joe say that first?)

[Biofuel] Making Water From Thin Air

2006-10-06 Thread D. Mindock
Making Water From Thin Air http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71898-0.html?tw=rss.technology By Audrey Hudson| 02:00 AM Oct, 06, 2006 A company that developed technology capable of creating water out of thin air nearly anywhere in the world is now under contract to nourish U.S.

[Biofuel] Three examples of science gone awry

2006-10-06 Thread D. Mindock
GE crops, excessive salt, and aspartame barely scratch the surface of thecorporate use of fraudulent studies to foist harmful products or ideas onto the people. No wonder people havedoubts about science when it is constantly beingabused.Maybe this is why the WH occupier

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia Was Testimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread Michael Friebel
…but I am also a sceptic of the idea that science is the be all and end all or that it has all the answers.” So then, what other epistemic method do we have from which to form reliable conclusions? It may be that it is the definition/scope of science that is in question here. I claim that there

Re: [Biofuel] Sustainable Farming

2006-10-06 Thread Pagandai Pannirselvam
Hi Mike As bio fuel list has very good people from different countries, it will be interesting to bring the information on this sustainable integrated organic farming here to this list . As sustainable biosystem development using ecological engineering is our object , we do find lack of

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia Was Testimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread Joe Street
Hi Mike; Michael Friebel wrote: So then, what other epistemic method do we have from which to form reliable conclusions? It may be that it is the definition/scope of science that is in question here. I claim that there is no epistemic method that does not rely upon verifiable experience. I

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-06 Thread Joe Street
Hi Mike; You have really hit the nail there. As scientists though we like the generalities. We like to find a general rule which works for all the cases rather than just a special theory which explains a few of the cases. In that regard I have realized that one general rule I have pretty much

[Biofuel] Clean Coal or Dirty Coal?

2006-10-06 Thread D. Mindock
Tuesday, October 03, 2006 Clean Coal or Dirty Coal? When President Bush said “America is addicted to oil”, he could also have said that America is addicted to coal.Most Americans are not aware of the sheer scale of current coal use in the United States. Over 50% of electricity is

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread MK DuPree
Hey D...I hear ya. Much is lost oftentimes in the written word, especially tone of voice and other body language, so I sometimes don't know if I'm running up against a real arrogance or genuine inquiry. Nonetheless, I agree that objections to our beliefs and feelings, especially as they

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia Was Testimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread MK DuPree
Hi roberto, Kurt and List...no disagreement with either of you. I personally desire to be on nobody's "side." I'm not patient enough to gather and categorize from your posts, Marilyn's, D's, and others, including our own self-professed archetype and cultural icon, Bob, those specific points

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
I've found curiosity in many things and have always enjoyed the wondering process my mind can take. Anyone who has ever lived with a pet perhaps has wondered why the animal is always waiting at the door when they have returned home. There have been many varying answers down to and including

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-06 Thread MK DuPree
Amen...and thank you Joe. MD - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, Hi Mike;You have really hit the nail there. As scientists though we like the

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia Was Testimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Joe, You wrote: At one time the sun used to revolve around the earth. This was the truth at this time. Everyone agreed on it. What happened to those who disagreed? In The Politics of Experienc, R.D. Laing wrote: Sanity is merely collusive madness. I'm reminded of a

[Biofuel] Polymerization of BD- more than copper to be concerned with.

2006-10-06 Thread Joe Street
While looking for info on IR spectra, I found this excellent paper; http://nationalbiodieselboard.com/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19970612_gen-234.pdf#search=%22biodiesel%20methyl%20ester%20wavenumber%22 Which talks about issues surrounding fuel contamination and deposits. An earlier

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Marylynn, A friend recently told me of a book dealing with the very thing you are speaking about; he referred to morphic fields. The reason the book came up is because we were talking about my dog. I have a dog that gets very agitated several minutes before a particular person even

Re: [Biofuel] Tiny Inhaled Particles Take Easy Route From Nose ToBrain

2006-10-06 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Ah, that's at standard pressure, right? Don't you think that the impact of a jetliner at several hundred miles per hour and the ensuing explosion and fall of the towers would increase the pressure and lower the melting point and vaporize some of the DU? Anyway, the asbestos was enough to cause

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-06 Thread Terry Dyck
Hello Bob, If you want to make lots of money don't grow herbs. You could make a lot of money, however, by manufacturing synthetic drugs with a patent. That is why your argument about why people buy herbs doesn't hold water. There could be a few exceptions by a few marketers of weight loss

[Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving everybody

2006-10-06 Thread Joe Street
Enjoy the long weekend. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined

Re: [Biofuel] Polymerization of BD- more than copper to be concernedwith.

2006-10-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Joe, Keep in mind that I had a 1M. piece of copper tubing submerged in the BD for over 3 months. I have a cubie of BD that was still crystal clear after 2 months (the longest I have stored BD other than the polymerized stuff) and it will go in the car. The 50+ gal (200L) of BD in

Re: [Biofuel] Polymerization of BD- more than copper to be concernedwith.

2006-10-06 Thread Joe Street
Hi Tom; Just for giggles, if you get time I'd be curious if the methanol test still passes on the 2 month old B100. I assume it will still oxidize even without the copper in constant contact. There is sure to be metal ions in the fuel from various sources. Now that the cold is here and I can

Re: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving everybody

2006-10-06 Thread robert and benita rabello
Joe Street wrote: Enjoy the long weekend. I'm STILL not used to Thanksgiving in October . . . It doesn't seem right! But thank you for the well wishes! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page

Re: [Biofuel] Tiny Inhaled Particles Take Easy Route From Nose ToBrain

2006-10-06 Thread dwoodard
Uranium burns very readily and the combustion product disperses as many tiny particles. That's what makes it so useful to the military in penetrating projectiles; its high density makes it a good penetrator in high-speed impacts, and it is also a good incendiary once it penetrates, normally

Re: [Biofuel] Tiny Inhaled Particles Take Easy Route From Nose ToBrain

2006-10-06 Thread Jason Katie
so its kind of a freakish magnesium? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tiny Inhaled Particles Take Easy Route From Nose ToBrain

[Biofuel] Power paradox: energy-rich northern Ontario can't afford cost of electricity - CP Wire - 2006.10.06

2006-10-06 Thread econogics
Byline: BY ANGELA PACIENZA TERRACE BAY, Ont. (CP) _ When crews were constructing a hydro station in this community along the Aguasabon River Gorge in the 1940s, few thought power would ever be a source of trouble for the water-rich region. Eager to take advantage of the abundance of cheap

[Biofuel] Study: Water quality hit and miss in Canada - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.10.06

2006-10-06 Thread econogics
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=4c5f8fb3-c8ec-493 6-878a-b4a27a377ff6k=39291 Group calls for national standards Dennis Bueckert Canadian Press Health Canada has estimated that unsafe drinking water causes 90,000 illnesses and 90 deaths every year. OTTAWA - Six years

[Biofuel] No need for a Kyoto debate: It's over - Globe Mail - 2006.10.06

2006-10-06 Thread econogics
JEFFREY SIMPSON Environment Minister Rona Ambrose was correct: Canada will not, and cannot, meet its Kyoto greenhouse-gas reduction target. Opposition MPs were outraged at her assertion yesterday, as they often are when truth smacks them in the face. Any politician who argues that Canada can

[Biofuel] Solar and wind are 'fringe' power sources to Tories - The Vancouver Sun - Tue 03 Oct 2006

2006-10-06 Thread econogics
Federal ministers champion coal, nuclear power and biofuels to cut emissions Byline: Don Martin Dateline: VICTORIA VICTORIA -- Gary Lunn waves off the offer of coffee from the breakfast server at the historic Empress Hotel. Never drink the stuff. Don't want it to stunt my growth, he grins. To

[Biofuel] Canada feels its climate change - The Vancouver Sun - Tue 03 Oct 2006

2006-10-06 Thread econogics
Scientists aren't the only ones sounding alarm Byline: Margaret Munro Drought in British Columbia's rainforest. Prairie rivers running dry. Storms leaving trails of multi-million-dollar damage in eastern Canada. The climate has changed. The insurance industry knows it. So do savvy municipal

[Biofuel] Trash talk: the green versus the ugly - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.10.06

2006-10-06 Thread econogics
While Toronto irritates Canada-U.S. relations by shipping garbage south, Edmonton makes waste a successful 'green' business, writes Don Martin. Byline: Don Martin Starve a throwaway society of landfill space and the desperation to dump triggers extreme measures. Take Toronto. With most of its

[Biofuel] New study shows Arctic ice coverage lowest-ever, decline accelerating -CP Wire - 2006.10.03

2006-10-06 Thread econogics
Byline: BY BOB WEBER The ocean area covered by Arctic sea ice last summer was as low as it's ever been, according to a newly released study. And the rate of melting gets faster every year, suggesting that a self-perpetuating warming cycle predicted by climate change models is already at work,

[Biofuel] 'Sleeping giant' awakens in North: One nightmare scenario sees runaway - Vancouver Sun - 2006.10.04

2006-10-06 Thread econogics
Byline: Margaret Munro Dateline: MACKENZIE RIVER DELTA, N.W.T. Series: Feeling the Heat: How The Climate Is Changing Our World MACKENZIE RIVER DELTA, N.W.T. -- The sun is beating down on an icy bluff, sending chunks of ancient permafrost crashing to the ground. Rivers of mud stream off the

[Biofuel] Tories fail to block Kyoto legislation: Liberal MP says party ignoring - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.10.04

2006-10-06 Thread econogics
Byline: Mike De Souza The minority Conservative government suffered a significant defeat at the hands of the opposition yesterday over legislation calling for the implementation of the Kyoto Protocol on climate change. Although Conservative MPs gave Environment Minister Rona Ambrose a warm round

Re: [Biofuel] Three examples of science gone awry

2006-10-06 Thread Michael Friebel
Abuse is exactly right. These examples show no failure in the method of science itself. Mike --- D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GE crops, excessive salt, and aspartame barely scratch the surface of the corporate use of fraudulent studies to foist harmful products or ideas onto

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
Anyone who looks and listens at what is daily offered will have a life full of wonders and with wonders there comes something called gratitude for being even momentarily allowed to witness/experience that particular gift. But it's been my observation to observe that many people do not and/or

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia Was Testimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread Michael Friebel
Hi Joe; This is because your claims are based on limited awareness and limited experience. You are unaware that there is a limit to your experience so you naturally assume that the world is the totality of your experience of it. I am very much aware of the limit of my experience but I do accept

Re: [Biofuel] New study shows Arctic ice coverage lowest-ever, decline accelerating -CP Wire - 2006.10.03

2006-10-06 Thread JJJN
Just for fun I fit a curve to the three rate of melt listed below The formula that fit the curve on the conservative side was X^1/2+X =Y this places the rate at 16.4% in five years. THIS IS SCARY STUFF!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Byline: BY BOB WEBER The ocean area covered by Arctic sea ice