Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-24 Thread Z41534EUS
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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-20 Thread steve spence
rew Layton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Battery is definitely better than H2, but if you needed the gaseous form for > some reason, and the energy is not going to some other rational purpose... > >

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-19 Thread Andrew Layton
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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-18 Thread steve spence
- voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Steve when you see hoe the lash boiler works you wi

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-18 Thread Z41534EUS
Steve when you see hoe the lash boiler works you will wonder why didnt you do this with a pickup truck and steamengine like stanley did. Ans to dangerous Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/18/2001 6:56:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-18 Thread steve spence
We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "Andrew Layton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > In a thermodynamic sense: yes, a

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-18 Thread Andrew Layton
001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > the electrolysis of water using solar cells should get you started just be > extreamly careful > > Original Message==== > Subj:[biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Date: 9/14/2001 5:24:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time > Fr

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-18 Thread Andrew Layton
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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-17 Thread MH
Steve W wrote: > > Hello, >I am aware that hydrogen combines with oxygen > to make water and give off some electricity but > where does all this hydrogen come from that we > plan to use? It appears to come from natural gas, petroleum, coal. Check out the News & Info - english site http://

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-17 Thread steve spence
x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Why not collect the hydrogen rele

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question and ANSWER?

2001-09-17 Thread steve spence
- voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "PATRICK MCBRADY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question and ANSWER? > Go to the follo

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question and ANSWER?

2001-09-17 Thread Z41534EUS
ty patrick Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question and ANSWER? Date: 9/17/2001 4:38:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PATRICK MCBRADY) Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Go to the following website. He is a

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question and ANSWER?

2001-09-17 Thread PATRICK MCBRADY
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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-17 Thread MgroveOES
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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-16 Thread Z41534EUS
ty steve need the gas Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/16/2001 8:07:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve spence) Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com to get near good efficiency, you need

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-16 Thread steve spence
from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > steve go to google and read something is wrong with what u are saying either > your no

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-16 Thread Z41534EUS
Todd am going to send you same material i'm sending Steve might make you cahnge your mind Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/16/2001 3:39:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: bi

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-16 Thread Z41534EUS
yup have to agree Scotty Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/15/2001 10:17:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Appal Energy) Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com I believe that this is where Mr. Spock

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Martin Klingensmith
orrow it from our children. > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > > > > Note I said "in a perfect system" &g

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Appal Energy
D]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > if you are using electric to make it, you are wasting electric that could be > used more efficiently. tee hee hee yourself. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newslette

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Z41534EUS
Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/15/2001 6:10:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve spence) Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com too many believe that electrolysis is "close to perfect",

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Qu

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Martin Klingensmith
om: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:18 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > > > > Hydrogen is generally considered an energy transfer medium. > > You spend 500 kw [for example] converting w

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Z41534EUS
as you wish you are looking for much more hydrogen than you need to get about 45kw per hour Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/15/2001 11:48:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve spence) Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Z41534EUS
tee hee tell that to my generator i heat a green house with it lol Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/15/2001 11:45:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve spence) Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Z41534EUS
Sep 2001 11:55:51 - Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [66.24.56.216] by web12605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:55:51 PDT To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Vers

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Qu

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > the electrolysis of water using solar cells s

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
12:07 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Hello all, > > then this means that the best way to produce hydrogen would be thru solar > cells. Its like plants using the suns energy to make and store food for a > rainy day. We could do this too and store solar energy to chem

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Hydrogen is generally considered

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
e: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Sorry steve some of our hyrogen comes from the electrolosis of water and in > view of the advances of solarcells it becomes avery appealing "home" source > for hydrogen. Ask Dailmer Benze they hold all the patents. > > Original Mes

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:02 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Try

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread steve spence
mber 15, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Steve wind generators and or solar cells are sufficient to free the hydrogen > in even the most brackish water (ocean water). If you wish to get some idea > of how much hydrogen you can generate try using any solar cell with

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Martin Klingensmith
The problem is storing the hydrogen if you just take the electricity first produced by the solar cells and store it in batteries you are getting much higher efficiency. Martin K --- Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > then this means that the best way to produce hydrogen would be th

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Z41534EUS
ginal Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/15/2001 12:27:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken) Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Hello all, then this means that the best way to produce hydrogen would be thru solar cells.

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Z41534EUS
ve be aware (other than nuclear power) there is more energy per pound in hydrogen that any other element so it doesn't take much to do a lot of work. Fred Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/14/2001 8:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-15 Thread Z41534EUS
Sorry steve some of our hyrogen comes from the electrolosis of water and in view of the advances of solarcells it becomes avery appealing "home" source for hydrogen. Ask Dailmer Benze they hold all the patents. Original Message Subj:Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Que

RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-14 Thread kirk
Try Home Power magazine. They also had a build your own hydrogen fuel cell. Kirk -Original Message- From: Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:08 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question Hello all, then this means that the

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-14 Thread Ken
Hello all, then this means that the best way to produce hydrogen would be thru solar cells. Its like plants using the suns energy to make and store food for a rainy day. We could do this too and store solar energy to chemical. And since solar energy from solar cells isnt "volumous" enough for

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-14 Thread Martin Klingensmith
Hydrogen is generally considered an energy transfer medium. You spend 500 kw [for example] converting water to hydrogen, and in a perfect system you would get 500 kw out of it. Also known as a 1:1 medium --- Steve W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, >I am aware that hydrogen combines with

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-14 Thread Z41534EUS
the electrolysis of water using solar cells should get you started just be extreamly careful Original Message Subj:[biofuel] Hydrogen Question Date: 9/14/2001 5:24:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve W) Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-14 Thread steve spence
://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "Steve W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: [biofuel] Hydrogen Qu

[biofuel] Hydrogen Question

2001-09-14 Thread Steve W
Hello, I am aware that hydrogen combines with oxygen to make water and give off some electricity but where does all this hydrogen come from that we plan to use? I know there is alot out there but it is mostly bound up in water or some other chemical isn't it? It takes energy to free this hydr