It went by so screamingly fast I didn't catch it either, but
I thought I heard Dwight say something about he came from
the University of Georgia. If it's you-know-who (initials
"B.N."), I thought he was suspended, and basically retired
from the sport a few years ago.
If that's who it was, and he's
Whassup with the Bible of the Sport?
In darkwinger Dan's Portland report on page 35,
John Godina is said to have fouled his first three
attempts in the Shot, then improved enough in the
final 3 rounds to take 4th.
So what qualified John to get a full six throws?
Should the stat guys count the mark
>I am sure that it will
>always be a problem for an official to judge whether the vaulter's motive
And that is by far the number one problem with this rule
from a judge's perspective.
For many of us who got into track & field as teenagers,
part of the attraction was no subjectivity in referee's
d
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:19:27 -0700, Ed Grant wrote:
>I refer, of coure, to Mike Morrison, who, in addition to his HJ
>heroics, is a 34+ long jumper
WOW! Sign him up!
Men's PV didn't start till 11am, so I doubt it's done yet.
RT
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:14:21 -0700, you wrote:
>Sorry, I thought the men's vault was scheduled for yesterday. I'll wait for
>the results. Also found good result summaries at
>http://www.livecyberscoreboard.com/
>
>
>
>>If anyone hasn
From: RT
Marion Jones Gives Birth to Baby Boy
By Associated Press
June 29, 2003, 3:57 PM EDT
RALEIGH, N.C. -- The world's fastest baby came much quicker than expected.
Olympic champion Marion Jones and world-record holder Tim Montgomery announced t
MJ merely appears to be voicing what many of us are thinking
about Montgomery.
RT
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:54:12 -0700, you wrote:
>Netters:
>
>If just half of what has recently been posted about the Kenyan
>situation is true, it raises questions which need an imediate answer. This
>situation far surpasses, as described, would far surpass anything that has
>ever been prov
We needed a clarification last week to determine
that Amy Acuff just missed a PR-
but there was no doubt today, a 2.01 clearance.
http://www.weltklasse.ch/results03d/re1810040.html
Yet even in doing so, she finished 4th this time.
Competition is tough
A definite Paris medal hope for the U.S..
>No one, myself included, thinks that every single African is clean
Why then, in years past, on this very list, any time questions were brought
up about the Africans, people who had spent time with them dashed into the
conversation like lightning to claim that cheating was simply against the
natur
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:59:26 -0400, you wrote:
>The answer, then is simple: Revive the old US-USSR meets but substitute
>athletes from North Korea/Cuba/al Queda. Two out of three we kick their
>butts.
I remember when Cuba sent some of their best athletes to the
Pepsi Invitational at UCLA in what,
Well, John Godina had the leading put in the Shot
qualifying rounds this morning, and then this
afternoon turned around and didn't even make the
final-final (it was between him and Adam Nelson,
and Adam made it and John didn't. Round 1 & 3 fouls
didn't help Godina. So that wipes out his chance
fo
Jon Drummond wrote:
>the person in lane 3 and 5 flinched causing me to flinch, but I never moved forward,
>as the rules so states that if anyone preceeds the line it is consider!
> ed a false start.>
>JON DRUMMOND!
Okay, the esteemed Bob Hersh is on this list- or was.
Were electronic starting b
Having now seen the way the rule is worded,
it's hard to see how you could interpret it
any way OTHER THAN 'athletes can no longer
allow themselves to be "pulled" out of the
blocks by a false-starting runner next to
them. They will be DQ'd ALONG WITH the
runner next to them'.
Did U.S. team staff
By the way, the IAAF electronically recorded reaction
times show that Drummond went BEFORE Powell, not the
other way around.
Drummond (USA) with 0.052 sec and Assafa Powell (JAM) 0.086.
The accepted reaction time is 0.100 sec.
Not that the rule makes any distinction anyway-
they were both DQ'd.
J. Drummond wrote:
>Secondly, A flinch, until today, has never been considered a false start.
Call it what you will, but a movement- flinch, burp, twitch, ANYTHING,
that generates enough psi on the surface of the starting block
to trip a signal just 0.052 sec after the gun is fired is going to ge
One of Jon's arguments is that the rules allow something
referred to as 'competing under protest'.
Is this an urban myth? I know it was done in a GP meet
earlier this year after an athlete threw a tantrum, but
was roundly criticized by all experts because they said
it was flat out against the rul
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:25:41 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> By the way, the IAAF electronically recorded reaction
>> times show that Drummond went BEFORE Powell, not the
>> other way around.
>
>"Went" may not be the proper choice of words here. From those I've heard
>fro
>OK, enough with drummond. Did you notice that the Ethiopians run the last 5000 of the
>10,000 in 12:57?
Yes!, and that alone would be a 5000 national record for what,
98% of the countries in the world?
The disparity in performances among elite distance runners these
days is more and more profou
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:53:58 +1000, you wrote:
>Drummond is not to blame. He is the victim.
OH BROTHER, here we go again.
Everybody is a victim. There is no such thing as
personal responsibility.
And only "experts" can be allowed to express an
opinion. Opinions by anybody else are cavalierly t
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:44:09 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> You could have insisted that that set of starting blocks be impounded
>> for calibration testing to prove or disprove the basis of your
>> appeal.
>
>They could pass all calibration tests and still be guilty of b
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:13:26 -0400, you wrote:
>> The current rule allows for the possibility of a runner competing under
>protest after a disqualification. But the ultimate decision is up to >race
>officials. Starting Jan. 1, the rule will change and no runner will be
>allowed to compete under a
It's no problem for those math majors who can figure
out how to "give 200%" every time they set their foot
on the track.
I tried giving 150% once, and produced a divide-by-zero error.
My theory is, for anybody whose coach says "they gave a 200%
effort today!", in reality they gave 85%, and they'd
>> > Okay, now that we know the name, I think it would best for USATF to reveal
>> > what was the basis for his exoneration. The LA Times article only says that
>> > Young denied all wrongdoing.
Actually the Times DID explain the basis for the exoneration.
Young was tested many times in that yea
The IAAF is doing the very thing that Dick Pound
is criticizing- letting the athletes continue to
compete during an investigation!!! Obviously there
is a significant part of the world that doesn't have his
viewpoint, not just the U.S.!
IAAF statement on Kelli White
Saturday 30 August 2003
Paris
>However, it seems that the point is moot, since Young has admitted to the
>infraction -- thus no laboratory error has occured (or rather, perhaps the
>error which occured was that the other tests came up negative).
Actually the L.A. Times put out ANOTHER story this morning (finally, it
had less
>Or you could get off your high horse and let people talk about whatever
>aspect of the sport interests them.
You've gotta admit that a segue straight from the Stade de France to
a collegiate cross country pre-season time trial in Colorado requires
a HUGE leap in thinking and a tongue placed firml
>The same IAAF who is supposedly considering a lifetime ban against Jon
>Drummond for exposing a very poorly thought out rule and untested
>technology
LIFETIME BAN???!!! That's ridiculous!!
I would have said give him a 2 or 3 week suspension max.
Apparently IAAF was even more lenient and just gav
>ok, so we cant get rid of the IAAF... what can be done
>to change it? must all of the athletes grow a pair
>and seriously come together to form a union? and not
>only threaten to boycott the OG's but really mean
>it
How would you propose to convince Hungarian hammer
throwers and Finnish Jav
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:37:50 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>seems those who find Randy's post below to be "the best written post in
>years" are the ones who agree with Randy's position.
Actually, I have been quite surprised that since I posted it
yesterday evening there have no respondees with an opposi
>And even if the "spirit of the rule" was pursued, how would it EVER be
>enforced. Think about the disaster that Prohibition was. Didn't we learn
>any lessons? No matter what rule you could come up with, there would
>always be those who try to beat the system. And having rules that fail to
>Wow! Can you image the return volley if an American had made this comment:
>
>
>"I will not be making a comment. I am scandalised by the leaks in this matter. It
>shows a lack of
>respect for the laws and procedures," Amsalem (French Athletics Federation president
>Bernard
>Amsalem) said, adding
>We have a new epidemic on our hands. Shouldn't someone
>call the CDC?
>
>"The newspaper also said that American Chris Phillips, who finished
>fifth in the world 110 metres hurdles final, had tested positive for
>Modafinil, a light stimulant."
I don't know what you're talking about.
There's no su
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:53:34 +, you wrote:
>
>>Is there no game for the CLEANIES to play professionally?
>
>
>Maybe do it like the body builders do: split it into two separate sports.
>Some body builders compete in the "natural" tournaments and others in the
>no-holds-barred events.
>
>Mayb
>> So the whole testing scheme is an attempt to make the sport clean enough
>> that the public doesn't turn its back and take its money elsewhere.
>
>Unfortunately, it's had the exact opposite effect. Oops. Doesn't take a
>genius to see that one coming.
That the American public has "taken its m
...just something I'm curious about after watching
college and pro football for another weekend...
After multiple long runs, a running back or wide receiver
or kick returner will go over to the sideline and take
long drags from an oxygen mask.
It's become pretty much an expected thing.
Also, late
>I may have missed the post which discussed this, but exactly how can we
>say for sure that a large number of those who are caught are innocent?
>Because they say so? Because they have narcolepsy? Because they had a
>wild evening involving beer and other activities? Because they drank some
>new
>I agree this position. There need to be stronger sanctions on these labs.
The lab technicians can always blame drunken sex the night before and
lab rivals spiking their toothpaste. Or narcolepsy.
RT
> A negative B means innocent.
Just like 'overturned on appeal' means innocent, right?
The IOC commission "looking into" the Young case (with the
already-decided verdict, if you listen to Pound and Rogge, merely
awaiting some supporting facts) is like the Spanish Inquisition-
"Bring on the Grand
>Sprinters and throwers are dirtier than distance runners.
Probably true in the United States.
If American distance runners are doping, they ought to sue
their pharmacist for malpractice.
RT
Discussion about results on GP circuit stops in Brussels or
Monaco never did grab the same audience as the college
rabble-rowsers arguing who had a better XC "4th man"- Arkansas
or Stanford.
I'd say the collegians dominated the list about '94 to '96.
Then elite IAAF track & field took over much of
>I miss Paul Houde, who once gave us a meet update from a parking lot
>venue, CBC Montreal, and was it the world championships in what year?
>Now, those heroics are not necessary. But he contributed to a community
>that no longer exists here...
http://www.radio-canada.ca/television/vedettes/artis
Time to cut through the individual guesses and speculation and cut right
to the core suspicion- which I would frame this way:
Take the top ten ranked male marathoners in the world, and throw their names
in a hat.
Shake it up.
Now draw one name out of the hat.
Don't look at the name- keep the the p
> And I guess that the only way you can argue with my points is
>start disparaging me personally. In my professional experience, that means
>that my points have sufficient validity that you can't undermine them with
>your own evidence, so you have to try to change the subject, focusing on
>the
> And perhaps there's a change
>in the culture of sport and the attitudes toward cheating. Someone has
>said enough is enough.'"
Wrong. People have been saying that for years. The difference this
time is that somebody left a syringe full of the stuff laying around somewhere.
Coaches are just a
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:22:07 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Randy wrote:
>
> "The difference this
>time is that somebody left a syringe full of the stuff laying around
>somewhere."
>
>That would be plain careless - I was of the understanding that a high
>profile coach handed the syring to USADA. Deliberate
>I've also noticed how the huge headlines in the newspaper read 'track and
>field scandal', when all the indicators are that the 'clients' of this lab
>read like a who's who of professional sports stars- with track & field being
>just one of many. The news media tends to make light of the Bonds an
Another interesting thing about this week's revelations (or "hints") is
that in going back and re-testing samples collected this summer for the
newly identified THG, they also came up with a a handful of positives
for Modafinil!
What wasn't explained was why these didn't turn up positive the first
So who among us has been mentally speculating about which athletes train
in the Bay Area, and have produced performances which have previously
been whispered about?
Which of them, if a reporter were to stick a microphone in their face, would
say they've never been to this clinic and they absolutely
I'm in Geoff's corner...
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:08:56 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm in Malmo's corner...
- Original Message -
DATE: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:50:40
From: "Geoff Pietsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
> Why don't y
This THG stuff is said to be placed under the tongue- apparently it's not a pill
and it's certainly not injected.
So what was it doing in the syringe that was turned in to USADA by the
'mystery coach'. Why would it be in a syringe?
This story has as many red herring mysteries as that pair of wom
>Get ready for the Stone Age or BC Olympics, as in nothing but B and C teams in Greece.
Typical overreaction. So far no names have been kicked around that weren't involved
with Conte. So who all is a member of that club that Conte and Chambers were involved
with? Even if we lose Montgomery, Tot
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And in contrast to baseball, we get this story.
Now I wouldn't trust the NFL even if my grandma were
the commissioner, but re-testing previously tested samples
makes it SOUND like they're on the bandwagon doesn't it?
Randy
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:14:03 -0700, Pa
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Another sprinter name gets leaked.
Retests Said to Reveal Use of Stimulant
As results are reanalyzed to look for a new steroid, modafinil is found in the system
of a U.S. track gold medalist. Other cases are suspected.
>(CBS/AP) The growing furor over a newly detected
>designer steroid has widened to the Olympics and other
>sports, with Olympic officials saying they'll test for
>THG at next summer's Athens Games and authorities in
>horse racing, skiing and rugby also implementing such
>tests.
Horse Racing?
"We
> there is usually a
>reference to malmo's alleged use of some substance
If memory serves me right as to darkwing list topics over the past few
years, Malmo has admitted to a brief experimentation (which provided no
discernable benefit according to Malmo) during his training days in Eugene
MORE th
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:49:57 -0800 (PST), Dan wrote:
>--- Dan Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > The entertainment mogul called his charity effort, Diddy Runs the
>> > City.
>>
>> Couldn't he have come up with something more creative, like Do Run
>> Diddy?
>
>To follow up on this thought, "Do R
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:42:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Are you a doctor?
Yes, as a matter of fact Wayne IS a doctor!
>Let the medical experts decide. Open your mind a bit: if the
>experts say they will be competing on a equal footing, then
>we should trust they have the best
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:22:37 -0500, you wrote:
>Only one problem - turkey has no more tryptophan than any other protein
>(less than chicken in fact). And to induce sleepiness from tryptophan
>(actually it wouldn't be the tryptophan, tryptophan is a precursor to
>serotonin which helps sound sleep,
I feel like I'm standing on the edge of an internet Grand
Canyon hearing echos-
"Can the athlete APPEAL...Appeal...appeal.?"
"What says the NCAA.AAAAAaaa?"
"They say YESYes...yes!"
"Can they lose the APPEALPeal.peal.?"
"YESYesyes!"
"Can
>> And to think I thought all these postings were in
>> regard to the bs Dan wrote in his ignorance to the
>> chide of Cheryl Taplin and LSU with his thoughtless
>> and narrow mindeness views of a group of hard working
>> and devoted group of athletes and coaches who rose to
>> the top. It is easy
>She failed to impress the selectors in November's Tokyo Marathon,
>one of four races designated as trials. Takahashi faded in the last four miles to
>finish
>second behind Elfenesh Alemu of Ethiopia.
>Takahashi skipped Sunday's Nagoya Marathon to concentrate on
>training for Athens
>
>After sever
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:00:38 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>> Naoko Takahashi, who won the marathon at the last Olympics in Sydney.
>>
>> After several hours of deliberation, however, the selectors came up
>> with a team of three...
>>
>> Junichiro Koizumi, the Japanese prime minister, said: "I feel s
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