Re: t-and-f: Re: NCAA thoughts

Dan, You have a great point.  The weather was always a barrier for us in Utah as well.  Keep in mind, however, that since I've been living in Southern California, I can't think of more than about 4 or 5 guys that were worth anything at all.  Keep in mind that this is on the collegiate level.  C

Re: t-and-f: Re: NCAA thoughts

In a message dated Wed, 14 Mar 2001 9:35:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, "nad wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << although I am not saying that a qualifing meet, a la Ncaa XC, would be the best solution, it would certainly help some out. Those in the northeast that don't fly to California (y

Re: t-and-f: field-falsie (was: Proposed changes in IAAF rules

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >The starter by rule is to hold the gun until all runners are set, then fire the gun. Not at his discretion, when they are set he is to shoot!< The dictionary that I found nearest to my computer defines "when" as: a. at or during the time that

Re: t-and-f: field-falsie (was: Proposed changes in IAAF rules

In a message dated Wed, 14 Mar 2001 8:52:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << IThe starter by rule is to hold the gun until all runners are set, then fire the gun. Not at his discretion, when they are set he is to shoot! >> Both IAAF and USATF rules grant the starter "

Re: t-and-f: false-start rule (was: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

Anyone who had to sit and suffer through the false starts in the M/Ws' 60 & 60H at USATF indoors in Atlanta this year should be in favor of the one false start rule also. Just about each heat and the finals had one and the womens' 60m final had 3! It is obvious that many athletes are trying to g

Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights

In a message dated 03/14/2001 4:07:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian (who "is blind", "has a tainted view" and  "ALWAYS operates from the negative") While I was raised to take the high ground, I will not in this case.  I will play your childish game Brian.  Read my

Re: t-and-f: field-falsie (was: Proposed changes in IAAF rules

In a message dated 03/14/2001 1:34:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You hold the runners longer than they'd like and you throw them out if they violate the gun. QED gh This is the best reason to use an electronic starter, that is set to a timer.  When the officials beg

t-and-f: high jump rules question

Netters, I'm a relative newcomer to HJ coaching, and I have a question. If a jumper scrapes her shoe against the pit on the way up to the bar, but clears the bar and it doesn't fall, is it considered a miss? This is a matter of some urgency, since we have our indoor conference meet tomor

Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights

That rates with the proposal to time the true 100 m, without RT. Or measuring the true jump, from the point of take off. DGS Faith is a road seldom traveled

Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights

The numbers say otherwise in the longer race. We have watched the wrh and second fastest woman in the world, and they hurdle exactly the same.  They all drag their trail leg under them, jumping the hurdle in the process.  The current hurdler jumps high enough to clear the men's hurdle (36").  Th

t-and-f: Re: Hurdle heights

I did not derive these numbers these numbers were derived by Ralph Mann, during his study of sprints and hurdles.  I do not know the specifics of his study since I was merely on the receiving end of his findings.   I do know that in all of his studies he has taken the mean of the athletes he has

Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights

Although the discussion started out with IAAF rules, I'd like to make some observations about hurdle height and spacing for young athletes. Most 12-14 year old boys cannot hurdle over 39" barriers. But once a boy can deal with the hurdle height, 3 stepping is no problem because the hurdles are re

Re: t-and-f: Proposed changes in IAAF rules

There won't be many more DQ's because there will be very few false starts. Ed Paul Banta Wrote: My guess is that few, if any, meet directors of invitational meets will be in favor of going to a one false start rule in races from 400 down.  They put a lot of time, money and promotions

Re: t-and-f: more iaaf field-rule changes

In a message dated 3/14/01 3:38:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >If 8 or fewer competitors, just 4 attemtps. isn't that pretty much what happens in most HS dual meets anyway? Jim Gerweck Running Times

RE: t-and-f: Hurdle heights

I don't know jack about hurdling ... at least about hurdling those hurdles that fall down when you hit them   But do all the elite hurdlers have the same leg length?  Men and women?    Is that why they decided to become sprint hurdlers ... because their legs were exactly 122% and 100

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Is it possible that such a nation could have a systematic doping program?    NO way.  Usually a nation so dominant in a sport DOESN'T NEED to dope.  Look at all the history, the tradition, the facilities, the environment ... those Finns don't need to blood-dope.  They are just naturally go

Re: t-and-f: Hoof and Mouth and the WCCC

Actually Jim it was the Irish Government that got the WCCC moved because they didn't want people bringing the disease in. Not the other way around. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 3/13/01 4:06:40 PM, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >What is interesting is they said that the d

Re: t-and-f: Hoof and Mouth and the WCCC

They moved the Championships because Foot and Mouth Disease can be spread by Humans. The Republic of Ireland has no Foot and Mouth disease as of yet and the Irish Government want to keep it that way because of the heavy reliance on agriculture within the Irish Economy. Sean --- "Mcewen, Brian T"

t-and-f: Much better doping discussion!

Well, what do you say? I thank everybody who answered my post. Ben Hall gave me a nice reply which I respect him for. Dgs, Ed Parrott and others - thanks also to you. Now it's even fun to be in the discussion! I lack time for sufficient answers right now, but I'll be back. And just to inform you

t-and-f: Where have you gone Brendan Foster? The nation turns its lonely eyes to you - woo-woo-woo ...

[whatever happened to that 'superstar' named Goucher?? Maybe the big-time contract makes him less hungry?? Maybe that's the problem with US distance running.] > Thanks for filling the world in James ... but all of America who cares already knows what 'happene

t-and-f: Championship races vs. GP paced ones

James Temp. writes: << Non-paced championship races are soo different from paced GP races it isn't funny. >> While this is CLEARLY true ... the top PLACERS in a strategic championship race and the fast-from-the-gun, rabitted ones on the Euro circuit are usually not too different. Loo

t-and-f: more iaaf field-rule changes

if you go to the iaaf site (www.iaaf.org) you'll see a new note regarding not only the proposed false-start rule and the two-miss rule in the verticals, but also an explanation of the trying of a few 4-attempt rule in the throws and horizontal jumps. If 8 or fewer competitors, just 4 attemtps.

t-and-f: Women's decathlon; hurdle heights

Netters:     I think we should wait a while before introducing the women's decathlon, Nonathlon yes, but the PV is not yet fully "integrated" into the sport to be accepted as part of all-around competition. '    It is not just a question of not enough irls and women being involved i

Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights

gh wrote: > Nice numbers! I've always thought that there was also a concomitant need for greater distance between the hurdles as well >(also for the men, but that's another story) because of the way so many people have to chop their strides. If they're changing >one parameter, they should change

t-and-f: Re: Hurdle heights

Hello: Read your article with interest on t-and-f, you stated: "As it stands currently in the short hurdles the men are required to clear a hurdle 122% higher than their leg length, and the women 100% in the long hurdles it is 103% to 91%." How did you derive these relative percents? What we

Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights

Garry talked about changing the distance between the hurdles (Men's 110HH). Tom Murrell talked about "free floating" in the 4x100 meter relay. How about "free floating" hurdle placements. Each hurdler must run 10 hurdles within 110 meters and comes to meet management with the specs on how far ap

Re: t-and-f: the list

Those were the days. Anyone still remember Mike Fox? G-Rex [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > steve... > > i couldn't have said it any better! i can't take myself off this list though >because I need to stay in the "loop." seriously, i think

t-and-f: Hurdle Spacing

The current spacing between hurdles is 30 ft for the men and 27.9 ft for the women.  This requires the men to scrunch their strides to 90%, which translates to 77% of their sprint stride, and the women have to scrunch to 94%, which is 85% of their sprint stride. If we were to open the spacing up

t-and-f: Proposed changes in IAAF rules

My guess is that few, if any, meet directors of invitational meets will be in favor of going to a one false start rule in races from 400 down.  They put a lot of time, money and promotions into getting the best sprinters and hurdlers to their events and wouldn't want to see them disqualified

Re: t-and-f: field-falsie (was: Proposed changes in IAAF rules

In a message dated Wed, 14 Mar 2001 1:29:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Paul Banta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << I'd leave the rule the way it is now. If the IAAF really believes it has tochange the false start rule, thenit should consider charging the first false start to the field wit

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF - relay zones

I believe the change in the 4x100 relay zones is not to add 10m to the existing passing zone, but to combine the current acceleration zone (10m) and passing zone (20m) into one 30m zone.  In other words, there would be a 30m passing zone with no additional acceleration zone - the outgoing runner s

t-and-f: Bryan Bronson Return?

Does anyone know if Bryan Bronson has a comeback planned? Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266 P.S. This is NOT a drug related post!

t-and-f: Scott Ostler humor

from the SF Chronicle "C.J. Hunter, world shot put champ, retires rather than take a two-year suspension after testing posiitive *four times* for steroids last summer. If you ask me, Hunter is crazy to quit now, when's within reach of Ben Johnson's World Record."

Re: t-and-f: false-start rule (was: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

In a message dated Wed, 14 Mar 2001 9:12:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Conway Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << I don't get it either ... Why change the false start rule ??? To copme into conformity withthe NCAA ??? They need to be more concerned with making sure that starters are less rel

Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights

In a message dated Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:39:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The women's hurdles need to be raised because as the heights currently stands, very little hurdling is required of the women. This is very prominent in the 400ih. As it stands currently in

t-and-f: quotes you won't find in your local paper or see on TV

Coming off the field after her 4th-place finish at the World Indoor, Stacy Dragila was asked what went wrong. Her succinct retort: "I was shit." gh

Re: t-and-f: Hoof and Mouth and the WCCC

this is not to be confused, however, with the disease apparently afflicting Dr. Ljungqvist, foot-in-mouth disease. gh

t-and-f: Hurdle heights

The women's hurdles need to be raised because as the heights currently stands, very little hurdling is required of the women.  This is very prominent in the 400ih. As it stands currently in the short hurdles the men are required to clear a hurdle 122% higher than their leg length, and the women

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3477

As is so often the case these days, many people seem to insist upon the polar extreme in response to an extreme. How about this race? Strength runners with weak kicks try to wear down the sprinters. The sprinters try to keep the pace slow. Someone with guts takes it out hard with the help of a

Re: t-and-f: No zones 4x100

Why not have just two rules? (1) The baton must travel from the start to the finish line. (2) No more than four runners can be on a relay team. If Michael Johnson can singlehandedly defeat a four-man relay team from some small country, so be it!

Re: t-and-f: No zones 4x100

Tom Murrell wrote: > Why not give each runner a fixed starting point (100, 200 & 300 meters or > 80, 180 & 280) and let them pass where ever they wish. Do away with zones, > let them pass it wherever but they must pass it. > > Tom > What is wrong with the event the way it is? I haven't heard

Re: t-and-f: Decathlon for women

--- Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More to the point, the women's 100m hurdles is so radically different > from the men's hurdles that it might as well be a different event. It is. 100m vs. 110m. :-) Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-

Re: t-and-f: Decathlon for women

UG write: > But why also raise the height of the hurdles? Women are on average a few > inches shorter than men and it make sense to take this into consideration > and allow them to clear lower hurdles. Women are on average 4-6 inches shorter (I don't have exact figures). That's why the hurdles s

t-and-f: No zones 4x100

Why not give each runner a fixed starting point (100, 200 & 300 meters or 80, 180 & 280) and let them pass where ever they wish. Do away with zones, let them pass it wherever but they must pass it. Tom > From: "Conway Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Conway Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

In a message dated 3/14/01 9:12:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >The one falsel start rule >hasn't improved the NCAA nor California High School Sprinting ... > No? At least in the East, I don't see any of the BS that goes on at Open races, with their innumerable false starts. There is maybe O

t-and-f: Re: NCAA thoughts

although I am not saying that a qualifing meet, a la Ncaa XC, would be the best solution, it would certainly help some out. Those in the northeast that don't fly to California (yes I am talking about my team) have trouble qualifying for Ncaas. Most if not all of our meets come in cold and win

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

I don't get it either ... Why change the false start rule ??? To copme into conformity withthe NCAA ??? They need to be more concerned with making sure that starters are less reliant on that "beep" in their ear, as eveidenced in last years Olympics and US Olympic Trials .. The one falsel start

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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/13/sports/13FINN.html By EDMUND L. ANDREWS HELSINKI, Finland, March 10 — The systemic doping of Finland's most elite athletes might not have been discovered but for a misplaced medical bag packed with syringes, needles and drugs used to manipulate blood-cell coun

RE: t-and-f: RE: IAAF threat to expel US federation

Uri, I am not sure you have read my follow-up post to Mats. From your comments and copy below I don't think you have. My point in that post was that my perception of Dr. Ljungqvist can only be informed by the information I have about him which, in this case, comes from his quotes in the media.

RE: t-and-f: Doping, but also more stuff

Mats, Thanks for expressing all my thoughts about this issue - you managed to do this even though I have never spoken to you and do not remember ever meeting you (I did attend the 1995 Goteborg WC and the preceding scientific Congress, so maybe we have met there, but do not realize it). I am cur

RE: t-and-f: Decathlon for women

But why also raise the height of the hurdles? Women are on average a few inches shorter than men and it make sense to take this into consideration and allow them to clear lower hurdles. UG __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAI

RE: t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

Garry, you must be kidding, it was a bore which also gets the distinction of a men's "World title" won in a time slower than the women outdoor world record... Uri -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13,

RE: t-and-f: RE: IAAF threat to expel US federation

Come on, Arne Ljungquist is no McCarthy. You have never met Arne, have you? . He is a previous outstanding high jumper, a physician, a thinker, a man who loves athletics ( and loves athletes, and believe me, he despises no one, including Americans). And nothing is further from him than witch hunt.