Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

Nah. We never compare distance results. Some postings to this list. Why didn't people that are all upset by the 100 analysis also come leaping to Ndereba's defence. Radcliffe was nine seconds slower. Shouldn't that be the end of the discussion? Regards, Martin "Her time of 2:18.56 was hailed as t

t-and-f: USATF Release: Los Angeles to host 2006 World Cup

Contact:Jill M. Geer USATF Director of Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org In Madrid: +34-91-453-19-00 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, September 19, 2002 Los Angeles to host 2006 World Cup IAAF event be hel

t-and-f: USATF Release: Team USA ready to roll at World Cup

Contact:Jill M. Geer USATF Director of Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org In Madrid: +34-91-453-19-00 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, September 19, 2002 Team USA ready to roll at World Cup MADRID, Spain –

t-and-f: Los Angeles to host 2006 World Cup

The IAAF World Cup in Athletics will be held in the United States for the first time ever in 2006, International Association of Athletics Federations President Lamine Diack and USA Track & Field CEO Craig Masback announced Thursday. The 2006 IAAF World Cup will be contested at The Home Depot Nat

t-and-f: Average stride length

Hoping some coach or stat nut can help me with this one... I'd like to know what the average stride length of the average runner is. I'm not looking for "best stride length" or "most efficient stride length" but just a decent guess at the average jogger's (let's say 7:00 per mile) stride length.

t-and-f: Bob Hayes

Bob Hayes, an Olympic gold-medal sprinter who went on to an outstanding career as a receiver with the Dallas Cowboys, died at 59. http://msn.espn.go.com/classic/obit/s/2002/0919/1433783.html _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share

Re: t-and-f: Average stride length

> Hoping some coach or stat nut can help me with this one... > > I'd like to know what the average stride length of the average runner is. > I'm not looking for "best stride length" or "most efficient stride length" > but just a decent guess at the average jogger's (let's say 7:00 per mile) > str

t-and-f: Bob Hayes 1942(?) - 2002

Sad news on the radio. I heard a report that Bob Hayes died yesterday. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx™ 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your bes

t-and-f: The Passing of Bob Hayes

One of the great ones is gone: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2002-09-19-hayes-obit_x.htm _ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

t-and-f: Bonb Hayes dies

from espn.com JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- "Bullet'' Bob Hayes, the Olympic gold medal sprinter and Dallas Cowboys receiver who was once deemed the fastest man alive, died at age 59. Hayes died late Wednesday in his hometown of Jacksonville, where he had battled liver and kidney ailments and prosta

Re: t-and-f: Bob Hayes

"I have had more recognition around the world than I have in my back yard". How true... UG

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

I'll venture a guess... Different scenarios. The marathon example is more like deciding what a legal wind assistance cutoff should be -- is the pacing by men outside the rules? No attempt is being made (that I can see) to convert an assisted time to an unassisted one or vice versa, just to deci

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

But using the arguments already made about conditions impacting people in different ways, some people are better front runners and run better without the company. An attempt is being made here to determine which performance is superior using just one criteria. Regards, Martin Dan Kaplan wrote: >

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

--- "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But using the arguments already made about conditions impacting people > in different ways, some people are better front runners and run better > without the company. An attempt is being made here to determine which > performance is superior using

t-and-f: Ex-Cowboy, Medalist Bob Hayes Dies

From: RT AP wire service obit on Bob Hayes Ex-Cowboy, Medalist Bob Hayes Dies By RON WORD Associated Press Writer September 19, 2002, 10:58 AM EDT JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- "Bullet" Bob Hayes, the Olympic gold medal sprinter and Dallas Cowboys receiver

t-and-f: L.A. to Host 2006 T&F World Cup

From: RT AP story on World Cup award L.A. to Host 2006 T&F World Cup By Associated Press September 19, 2002, 11:21 AM EDT MADRID, Spain -- The World Cup, track and field's biggest team event, will be held in Los Angeles in 2006, providing a boost fo

t-and-f: Poor Journalism, again?!

>From the Espn article about Bob Hayes: When Dallas won the Super Bowl after the 1971 season, Hayes became the only athlete to win an Olympic gold medal and a Super Bowl ring. More than 30 years later, he's still the only person with both. -- I seem to remember a guy named Willie Gault . . . M

t-and-f: The Greatest Ever....

With the passing of Bob Hayes, I'm reposting Justin Clouder's analysis from 1997. Justin writes: The greatest 100m Runner Of All Time Quite a subject heading, and a considerable claim to make about any athlete, especially in an event with as great a history of remarkable athletes and charact

Re: t-and-f: Poor Journalism, again?!

> >From the Espn article about Bob Hayes: > >When Dallas won the Super Bowl after the 1971 season, Hayes became the only >athlete to win an Olympic gold medal and a Super Bowl ring. More than 30 years >later, he's still the only person with both. > >-- > >I seem to remember a guy named Willie Gau

Re: t-and-f: The Greatest Ever....

That article of Justin's was also planned for use in a ceremony presentation to Bob about this time last year, but I don't remember the specifics or if it actually ended up being used. Dan --- Kurt Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the passing of Bob Hayes, I'm reposting Justin Clouder's an

Re: t-and-f: Poor Journalism, again?!

Ooopss, my bad!!! Checking Michal Rabinovich's T&F Statistics site at http://trackfield.brinkster.net/ clued me in on my error. BTW, that site is great. He has about every major champs result online. He even has made the corrections when drug tests come back positive. MJR On Thu, 19 Sep 2002

Re: t-and-f: Poor Journalism, again?!

>> >From the Espn article about Bob Hayes: >> >>When Dallas won the Super Bowl after the 1971 season, Hayes became the only >>athlete to win an Olympic gold medal and a Super Bowl ring. More >>than 30 years >>later, he's still the only person with both. >> >>-- >> >>I seem to remember a guy name

Re: t-and-f: Poor Journalism, again?!

The Bullet had at least one individual gold, maybe the writer meant individual gold. But, was Gault on a relay gold? I'm from Chicago, but I can't remember Gault winning an Olympic (summer) gold medal. Did he win one on a sled? "Michael J. Roth" wrote: > >From the Espn article about Bob Hayes:

t-and-f: Devil's advocate

I was not surprised to hear that the "Alan Webb to run Chicago" was a mistake. I was quite surprised by this lists "general" reaction. The idea that running a 26 mile race would leave "poor" Alan with no future miling potential left me stunned to say the least. Lets go back to 1963. Peter Snel

Re: t-and-f: Average stride length

Actually, for people in the normal range of height, stride length while running is not related to height. sideshow

Re: t-and-f: Poor Journalism, again?!

> >>Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>09/19/2002 11:55 AM>Please respond to Lee Nichols>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: > bcc: > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Poor Journalism, again?!>  >From the Espn article about Bob Hayes:When Dallas won the Super Bowl after the 1971 seaso

t-and-f: Luiz de Oliviera email address?

He is David Krummenacker's coach and lives in Orlando. I would like to see if he would do a training seminar for some prep atheletes. I need his email or phone number. Thanks, Jerry Harris

Re: t-and-f: Average stride length

I believe the cadence for a reasonably fit runner is about 100 left foot strikes per minute and this changes very little no matter what the speed. So a runner going at a 7:00 pace(if my math is right) would have a stride length of 3 feet 9 inches. Regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Act

Re: t-and-f: Devil's advocate

--- "Mccarthy, Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if you are a Lydiard devote, as I am, you know that development of > endurance is the key to middle distance and distance running success. > > So, with the Chicago Marathon, and Alan looking for some "news", why not > have Alan "sign-up" to run

Re: t-and-f: Devil's advocate

Another example: Dick Buerkle used to run a marathon every fall. His best was 2:18 if my memory serves. He wasn't a marathoner but a miler (indoor record) - 5000 (2 time Olympian) runner. He pushed me on the speed woks and felt the long runs with me made him a better middle distance runner. bd

Re: t-and-f: GOOD track & field movies/books?

Yeah, but does anyone remember the name of the movie? I think Timothy Bottoms was the actor. Something like "The Last Mile" or the "The Lonely Mile"? On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:59:26 -0700 (PDT) John Schiefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John Baker was a member of the Duke City Dashers. Actually, m

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery to Skip - from the sublime to the ridiculous

Montgomery's race was awesome - and I'm of the school of more-power-to-him for getting the max wind and the "perfect" start - but this is too much. 100 meters did all that damage? He needs two weeks to recover? Ridiculous! >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL

t-and-f: thin sprinters

Listers, I am sorry to hear of Bob Hayes's death. Growing up in the 1970's I learned to think of Bob Hayes as the best sprinter ever, and his build (6', 190 lb, according to Justin Clouder's bio) the ideal sprinter's build. Now Tim Montgomery (5'10", 155 lbs, according to his USATF bio) has th

Re: t-and-f: Average stride length

Martin Dixon wrote:>I believe the cadence for a reasonably fit runner is about 100 left foot strikes per minute and this changes>very little no matter what the speed. So a runner going at a 7:00 pace(if my math is right) would have a>stride length of 3 feet 9 inches.Not.For me (a true slow-twitch c

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery to Skip - from the sublime to the ridiculous

Amen! Doesn't sound like Tim would have much success running several rounds of the 100 in a "major" and then being relied on to also run the 4x1. Floyd Highfill Can't run quite as fast but recovers a lot faster) Quoting Geoff Pietsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Montgomery's race was awesome - an

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

A cynic would probably have a ready explanation for the thinning sprinters syndrome. Regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Listers, > > I am sorry to hear of Bob Hayes's death. Growing up in the 1970's I learned > to think of Bob Hayes as the best sprinter ever, and his build (6', 190 lb, >

Re: t-and-f: GOOD track & field movies/books?

A Shining Season. malmo >Yeah, but does anyone remember the name of the movie? I think Timothy Bottoms >was the actor. Something like "The Last Mile" or the "The Lonely Mile"? > >On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:59:26 -0700 (PDT) John Schiefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >John Baker was a member of

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

Tim is definitely on the light side for a sprinter. In fact, Bob Hayes would probably have been on the light side as well if he was racing now. I wouldn't go so far to say that TM is built like a distance runner - more like an 800 guy who can stretch it out to 1500. - Ed Parrot - Original M

Re: t-and-f: GOOD track & field movies/books?

Oops. Ignore my last e-mail...thanks for the answer. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:34:29 -0600 "H. Michael Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The movie A Shining Season came 18 years after a Brigham University Movie based on the life of Univ. of New Mexico runner John Baker, which was entitled John Ba

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

Jeff Williams(200m) was quite a skinny guy. In a message dated 9/19/2002 1:50:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >A cynic would probably have a ready explanation for the thinning sprinters >syndrome. >Regards, >Martin

t-and-f: USATF Release: USATF mourns the loss of Bob Hayes

Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track & Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, September 19, 2002 USATF mourns the loss of Bob Hayes

Re: t-and-f: GOOD track & field movies/books?

Another good movie was "Four Minute Mile". See http://us.imdb.com/Title?0095171 for more information. There was even a querky Cerutty character in this production. Much better was Roger Bannister's own book, "The Four Minute Mile". Go to amazon.com for a description. bob

Re: t-and-f: Fun computer decathlon game

All I can picture is a bunch of middle-aged men pounding mercilessly on the "B" and "N" keys! PS: The key to the 800 is to pace yourself based on the "power" bar...I ran a respectable 2:20 for a heptathlete, or an awesome 2:20 for a former sprinter now casual jogger carrying an extra 20 lb. On F

Re: t-and-f: Fun computer decathlon game

>All I can picture is a bunch of middle-aged men pounding mercilessly on the >"B" and "N" keys! Yes, I'm concerned I may wear out those two keys. I'm already addicted. >PS: The key to the 800 is to pace yourself based on the "power" bar...I ran a >respectable 2:20 for a heptathlete, or an awesom

Re: t-and-f: US TV Coverage of World Cup?

I have checked on www.tyguide.com and have found nothing. On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How sad is this? Will we even get our canned one hour taped delayed coverage? The 9th IAAF World Cup is Athletics biggest pay-day this year, and as meri

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery's New WR

It seems to me that Mo is suffering from "Too much of a good thing". Seeing him on ESPN2 this summer, he looks like he has gained an additional 10 lb. at least of muscle, and I think it is slowing him down. Early in the season, he said he was in great shape and gearing for a shot at putting the

t-and-f: WIND ASSIST

Prior to the start of the 100 the wind gauge is reading 1.90mps. The athlete has a FART during the race and the wind gauge records 2.01mps. Will the athlete have grounds to argue her/his case. "If I hadn't farted, it would have been a legal wind!"

t-and-f: World's Fastest Couple Promises More

From: RT World's Fastest Couple Promises More By STEPHEN WADE AP Sports Writer September 19, 2002, 5:51 PM EDT MADRID, Spain -- The world's fastest couple is promising even quicker times. Energized by a romance that bloomed over the summer, Tim Mo

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery to Skip - from the sublime to the ridiculous

Charlie Francis reckons that it takes 10 days for full CNS recovery after an all out 100 meters. Ed Prytherch - Original Message - From: "Geoff Pietsch" >Montgomery's race was awesome - and I'm of the school of > more-power-to-him for getting the max wind and the "perfect" start - but

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

In a message dated 02-09-19 17:47:09 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Jeff Williams(200m) was quite a skinny guy. In a message dated 9/19/2002 1:50:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> If I'm not mistaken, Dennis Mitchell has a similar build to Montgomery. Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat T

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

Tim has always been skinny, but he looks like he has bulked up recently. Maybe he weighed 155 a year ago. He looks heavier than that now. Ed Prytherch - Original Message - From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 19

t-and-f: dinner w/ a WR miler

name drop! name drop! (got your attention though, didn't I?) at an IAAF dinner tonite, sat next to a guy almost as rotund as me, and with way less hair. Only difference is in the number of WRs and Oly medals we each own. Steve Ovett's now living a wonderful life on Australia's Gold Coast. high

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery to Skip World Cup Race

He probably fears a loss would hurt his chances of obtaining the coveted #1 100m ranking from T&FN. I would suspect he has a slight advantage to rank #1 over the Brit now having won the top honor so far this year. On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:18:17 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: RT

Re: t-and-f: US TV Coverage of World Cup?

One wonders if L.A. '06 will get on tv. >I have checked on www.tyguide.com and have found nothing. > >On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Louis LeBlanc ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >How sad is this? Will we even get our canned one hour >taped delayed coverage? > > > >The 9th IAAF World Cup

Re: t-and-f: Correlations and Models and Performance

At 09:52 PM 9/18/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. >Jeff Kent was elected MVP of the >National League back in 2000 while hitting .334 with 33 HR and 125 RBI, >while Todd Helton was way back in 5th in the voting while hitting .372, 42 >HR, and 147 RBI. Some of that is positional - Kent plays 2B a

t-and-f: Re:Making comparisons...

My point was making QUANTITATIVE comparisons. Obviously, when we start talking about "who was the greatest runner?" we're making QUALITATIVE comparisons. Quantitative comparisons, as have been made on Montgomery's 100, are too often based on spurious precision. I think that the most underra

t-and-f: Ivy Idiocy

Netters: The August/September issue of Athletic Management had an artile which proves again how dumb even the brightest people can be when they deal with collegiate sports. The Council of Ivy Group Presidents has adopted a new rule that all Ivy League athletic departments must establish

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

Back in the 50's and 60's when I was running in high school and college, this was pretty typical of the top sprinters with a few exceptions like Bob Hayes, Ray Norton, (?) Smith (Occidental College in Eagle Rock, CA - 9.3 sec 100 yards, 1960), Dave Sime and Bobby Joe Morrow. Tommy Smith, John Car