Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-21 Thread Patrice Wilson
> > > >It would seem much better to qualify in the same year as the World meet. A >lot of things can happen to a kid in a year. That's why the athletes were required to prove fitness at either Decatur or the Juniors. If they weren't fit they were pulled. Patrice

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-21 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
Edward Koch wrote: > The issue of matching the World Youth meet age group is recent since the > first such meet was held in 1999 on very short notice. If USATF qualifying > moves to the same year of the World meet, I would expect the USATF Youth > Committee may consider proposals to change th

Re: t-and-f: Junior Qualifying

2001-07-20 Thread Edward Koch
    I'll add a personal observation to Ed's comments. In the early 1980's the first few National Scholastic Indoor meets were organized by the Metropolitan Athletics Congress (MAC) which is the NYC Association of USATF (then TAC) but held in Princeton because the Armory was in bad shape and

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-20 Thread Edward Koch
ROTECTED]> To: track net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying Patrice Wilson wrote: > At 10:59 AM 7/19/01 -0500, Wayne T. Armbrust wrote: > > >I have never been involved in Youth Athletics, so please excuse what

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying - from a high school coach

2001-07-20 Thread Geoff Pietsch
inal Message ----- > From: Tom Fleming > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying > > > on 7/19/01 12:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread DANIEL DEYO
Title: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying Ritz & Webb both chose the National Scholastic Meet over the Junior Nationals, amongst other national caliber athletes. T&FN didn't even print results of the USATF Youth Nationals.  Weren't the results available, or did Nationa

RE: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread malmo
du' (E-mail)Subject: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying It may sound asinine, but it is completely accurate in my experience.  And I don't consider it an insult.  Most (say, 80%) high school coaches are solely focused on the 2 or 3 high school seasons.  They don't want their k

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Tom Fleming
Title: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying on 7/19/01 4:50 PM, Tom Derderian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Fleming et al, The local high school track coach lives across the street and has no track and field interest beyond the team's win/loss record and not the lightest curiosity in the Gr

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Keith Whitman
Andy, Tom et. al, Go back and read what Wayne wrote. He didn't write that "all high school coaches are idiots and know nothing about the national team selection process." He wrote that in HIS experience, most don't have that knowledge. I can tell you that his experience goes back quite a way an

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Tom Derderian
Title: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying Tom Fleming et al, The local high school track coach lives across the street and has no track and field interest beyond the team's win/loss record and not the lightest curiosity in the Greater Boston Track Club and the caliber of athletes who co

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread malmo
Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D was right on the mark. Sorry, Andy, it's your rebuttal that's asinine. malmo >In a message dated 7/19/01 9:07:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> my experience that most high school coaches are oblivious to anything >> that occurs outside the h

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
Patrice Wilson wrote: > At 10:59 AM 7/19/01 -0500, Wayne T. Armbrust wrote: > > >I have never been involved in Youth Athletics, so please excuse what may be a > >dumb question, but has anyone ever proposed aligning our age groups with the > >international age groups, i.e., making Young Men and

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Tom Fleming
Title: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying on 7/19/01 12:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/19/01 9:07:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my experience that most high school coaches are oblivious to anything that occurs outside the

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 7/19/01 9:07:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >> my experience that most high school coaches are oblivious to >> anything >> that occurs outside the high school framework or even outside their >> own >> conference. I won

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying In a message dated 7/19/01 9:07:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my experience that most high school coac

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Patrice Wilson
At 10:59 AM 7/19/01 -0500, Wayne T. Armbrust wrote: >I have never been involved in Youth Athletics, so please excuse what may be a >dumb question, but has anyone ever proposed aligning our age groups with the >international age groups, i.e., making Young Men and Young Women unable to >turn >18

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Aferr48
In a message dated 7/19/01 9:07:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my experience that most high school coaches are oblivious to anything that occurs outside the high school framework or even outside their own conference.  I wonder if half of them even know there is such an o

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
Patrice Wilson wrote: > Netters: > First I'm surprised that so many of you were unaware of the > qualification process for the world youth games. It was highly publicized > last year at both the Youth Athletics Nationals and at the Junior Olympics > meet in Buffalo. Much of the problem

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-18 Thread Patrice Wilson
efore I got them. > >- Original Message - >From: Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:01 AM >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying > > > >

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-18 Thread DANIEL DEYO
#x27;t-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying > > That again goes back to your association. I'm both a high school coach > and > > club coach as well as youth chair

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-18 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
> That again goes back to your association. I'm both a high school coach and > club coach as well as youth chair. We regularly have mass mailings as well > as word of mouth. We pass out literature at the high school coaches > association meeting and that association even has a seat on our board

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-17 Thread Edward Koch
ED,   As to your points:   1. I agree that it is better to have qualifying in the same year. To do so, however, would probably require a June meet and how do you fit that in a schedule that already has too many meets in that month. If it were piggybacked on the Junior nationals this year it w

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-17 Thread Patrice Wilson
be in the high school arena. >-Original Message- >From: Patrice Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Ed Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; track net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:34 AM >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying > > > >Ne

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-17 Thread Patrice Wilson
Netters: First I'm surprised that so many of you were unaware of the qualification process for the world youth games. It was highly publicized last year at both the Youth Athletics Nationals and at the Junior Olympics meet in Buffalo. Much of the problem lies in the ages of the competit

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-16 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
>2) Whatever meet(s) are used, something has to be done about the abysmal failure (and not just for junior meets) of too many >local USATF units to properly emply the local media to get the word around.   Having been involved with this on the ground level, the solution is simple - the local