Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 John F. Eldredge : > "Food delivery" and "meals on wheels" both imply that the food is brought to > the customers.  I am talking about an establishment in a fixed location, > having a kitchen but little or no provision for customers to eat on the > premises.  The customers are expected

Re: [Tagging] Tagging "natural" borders

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 August 2010 10:03, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: >> To pick a random example: >> http://osm.org/go/uG2Mh6iR > > Oops, sorry for spam, but nearby I spotted a convenient example of the > alternative approach: one way that serves as both administ

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/24/10 8:48 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/25 John F. Eldredge: How would you tag a restaurant that sells food for take-away, but doesn't have any tables for customers to sit and eat on the premises? For example, there is a chain of barbecue restaurants here in Nashville, TN, USA,

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Klaus Hartl
John! This craft proposal thread is most probably worth following, discussing, and contributing. But some of the folks out there (including myself) do not have the time reading every post. So if I wanted to even mute this thread in Thunderbird, which gladly offers a specific feature, I'd fai

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
"Food delivery" and "meals on wheels" both imply that the food is brought to the customers. I am talking about an establishment in a fixed location, having a kitchen but little or no provision for customers to eat on the premises. The customers are expected to take the food with them and consu

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 John F. Eldredge : > The borderline between the more beautiful craft objects and fine art is >sometimes a bit blurry. yes, sure. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/taggi

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 John F. Eldredge : > How would you tag a restaurant that sells food for take-away, but doesn't > have any tables for customers to sit and eat on the premises?  For example, > there is a chain of barbecue restaurants here in Nashville, TN, USA, that > generally does carry-out business o

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
Oh, I forgot to say that a fair where craftsmen sell their handicrafts is termed a "craft fair". The largest such craft fair here in Nashville is put on annually by the Tennessee Association of Craft Artists. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal >From :mailto:j..

Re: [Tagging] Tagging "natural" borders

2010-08-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > To pick a random example: > http://osm.org/go/uG2Mh6iR Oops, sorry for spam, but nearby I spotted a convenient example of the alternative approach: one way that serves as both administrative boundary and river. http://osm.org/go/uG2MZhcPF-

Re: [Tagging] Tagging "natural" borders

2010-08-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Erik G. Burrows wrote: > 3. Most renderers draw line features on top of polygon features making the > rendering nicer looking In practice, having two independent ways actually renders worse, because they tend to criss-cross each other arbitrarily. In the Australia

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
In English, particularly American English, "craft" is now mostly used to mean "handicraft": a decorative object, possibly but not necessarily useful, that is produced one at a time rather than mass-produced. The borderline between the more beautiful craft objects and fine art is sometimes a bit

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
How would you tag a restaurant that sells food for take-away, but doesn't have any tables for customers to sit and eat on the premises? For example, there is a chain of barbecue restaurants here in Nashville, TN, USA, that generally does carry-out business only. I only know of one location tha

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Simon Ward : > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:28:53PM +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: >> A sculptor (and an art gallery, often) ultimately hopes to sell his >> artwork. By that criterion, nothing would be cratfsmanship. > > Heh, well, that probably goes for very many sculptors (and art > galleri

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Peter Körner : > I'd like Élisée Reclus proposal better: if it sells something to end > customers is a shop and not a craft. > > What do you think about that? +1 that if it sells it is a shop -1 that it cannot be a craft at the same time. cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Pieren : > We need a better definition. A baker or a restaurant could also belong to > that category but I still prefer 'shop' for baker and 'amenity' for > restaurant.. I think we need both: shop=bakery and craft=bakery. The latter is producing, the first only selling (or finishing ind

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Élisée Reclus : > Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft > > Are artists, computer experts, fashion designers, funeral directors and > photographers reall

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Peter Körner : >> - Is heating_engineer really different from hvac? > I'm not a native speaker so I'll take your hints as they come. Regarding the > difference between heating_engineer and hvac I'm not sure, too, but I know > crafts that only installs air conditioner but not heater. They

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Craft

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Hi all I announced the unofficial proposal on this list already. I moved it into the regular proposal cycle by creating a proposal-page for Craft - A place producing or processing customized goods Please comment - here or on the D

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:28:53PM +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: > A sculptor (and an art gallery, often) ultimately hopes to sell his > artwork. By that criterion, nothing would be cratfsmanship. Heh, well, that probably goes for very many sculptors (and art galleries), although it is possible tha

Re: [Tagging] ele-key for lakes / water bodies and glaciers

2010-08-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:04:09PM +1000, Liz wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Elena of Valhalla wrote: > > but is the bottom of such lakes a flat surface with a constant > > elevation? if it isn't, such a value wouldn't be meaningful as well > on some it is > eg Lake Cargelligo is almost flat at the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Élisée Reclus : > Yes, in this case sub-tags for specialities seem to be more useful. But > it's the opposite for physicians. I would prefer a simple speciality=* > as there are lots of specialities (especially if used outside > healthcare=*) and in most cases there should only be one s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 15:11, schrieb John Smith: > 2010/8/24 Élisée Reclus : >> Forgot the shared office space: Wouldn't it be more useful to use more >> than one POI in these cases? You would search for one specific doctor >> (with an name=*). > > The name would usually be "something specialist centre"

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 15:07, schrieb Pieren: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Peter Körner mailto:osm-li...@mazdermind.de>> wrote: Why does the list of proposed values for craft= then contain butcher and bakery? Remove the obvious "shop" entries like "bakery" and "butcher" I did so and also a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Élisée Reclus : > Forgot the shared office space: Wouldn't it be more useful to use more > than one POI in these cases? You would search for one specific doctor > (with an name=*). The name would usually be "something specialist centre" or "such and such clinic" ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 14:44, schrieb Élisée Reclus: > an hospital=* tag. But if you map the hospital departments separately s/hospital=*/healthcare=hospital/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Peter Körner wrote: > Why does the list of proposed values for craft= then contain butcher and > bakery? > Remove the obvious "shop" entries like "bakery" and "butcher" and keep the obvious "craft" like "carpenter" or "plumber". If some entries are questionable,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 14:44, schrieb Élisée Reclus: > Am 24.08.2010 14:28, schrieb John Smith: >> A lot/most of the specialists in regional areas here share office >> space, same with major hospitals, they would have many specialists in >> the same place. > > In my opinion speciality is not to list all ho

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread André Riedel
2010/8/24 Peter Körner : > Why does the list of proposed values for craft= then contain butcher and > bakery? I don't see them as a craft but I hesitate to remove them just > because of a feeling that's not based on a well formed definition. Probably because some bakeries or butchers work and sell

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 14:28, schrieb John Smith: > A lot/most of the specialists in regional areas here share office > space, same with major hospitals, they would have many specialists in > the same place. In my opinion speciality is not to list all hospital departments (?) in an hospital=* tag. But if

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 14:37, schrieb Élisée Reclus: Am 24.08.2010 14:28, schrieb Simone Saviolo: 2010/8/24 Peter Körner: I'd like Élisée Reclus proposal better: if it sells something to end customers is a shop and not a craft. A sculptor (and an art gallery, often) ultimately hopes to sell his artwor

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 14:28, schrieb Simone Saviolo: > 2010/8/24 Peter Körner : >> I'd like Élisée Reclus proposal better: if it sells something to end >> customers is a shop and not a craft. > > A sculptor (and an art gallery, often) ultimately hopes to sell his > artwork. By that criterion, nothing woul

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/24 Peter Körner : > Am 24.08.2010 13:38, schrieb Elena of Valhalla: >> >> On 8/24/10, Peter Körner  wrote: >>> >>> Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something temporary and not required to have beauty in its

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Élisée Reclus : > This would mean lots of sub-tags. But most of the time there is only > one speciality. A lot/most of the specialists in regional areas here share office space, same with major hospitals, they would have many specialists in the same place. _

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 11:24, schrieb John Smith: > I'd split out the specialties into sub-tags, in case some one/place > has multiple: > > eg > > specialty:radiology=yes/no > specialty:radiotherapy=yes/no This would mean lots of sub-tags. But most of the time there is only one speciality. speciality=*

Re: [Tagging] ele-key for lakes / water bodies and glaciers

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 August 2010 22:04, Liz wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Elena of Valhalla wrote: >> but is the bottom of such lakes a flat surface with a constant >> elevation? if it isn't, such a value wouldn't be meaningful as well > on some it is > eg Lake Cargelligo is almost flat at the bottom - I've seen

Re: [Tagging] ele-key for lakes / water bodies and glaciers

2010-08-24 Thread Liz
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Elena of Valhalla wrote: > but is the bottom of such lakes a flat surface with a constant > elevation? if it isn't, such a value wouldn't be meaningful as well on some it is eg Lake Cargelligo is almost flat at the bottom - I've seen it empty and others are obviously not _

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 13:38, schrieb Elena of Valhalla: On 8/24/10, Peter Körner wrote: Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something temporary and not required to have beauty in its form What, there is no beauty in my rump steak? I cant a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Matthias Meißer : > I tried do spot more on JOSMs merge process where he suggests to merge two > different values for one key to a ; seperated new item e.g. > highway=footway > highway=path > ->highway=footway;path That's a bad example, because some wish to replace highway=footway with h

Re: [Tagging] ele-key for lakes / water bodies and glaciers

2010-08-24 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/24/10, Liz wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Elena of Valhalla wrote: >> on the way that marks the boundary of lakes etc. I would expect the >> ele key to tag the average height of the water surface, since that is >> what is constant on the whole lake > > I live in a land of drought and flooding

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread Matthias Meißer
I tried do spot more on JOSMs merge process where he suggests to merge two different values for one key to a ; seperated new item e.g. highway=footway highway=path ->highway=footway;path Even if I like namespaces they might restrict the usage of a more general key. Matthias _

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Matthias Meißer : > Well but OSM offers the feature=val1;val2;val3 modelling possibility, that > is even supported by JOSM, right? Sure, but nothing processes that information, JOSM only displays it, because it's too expensive to process every field like that. __

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 24 August 2010 12:24, Peter Körner wrote: > Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: > > the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something >> temporary and not required to have beauty in its form >> > What, there is no beauty in my rump steak? I cant accept that, it's not > t

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/24/10, Peter Körner wrote: > Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: >> the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something >> temporary and not required to have beauty in its form > What, there is no beauty in my rump steak? I cant accept that, it's not > true!!!1eleven11! ;)

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 13:24, schrieb Peter Körner: > What, there is no beauty in my rump steak? I cant accept that, it's not > true!!!1eleven11! ;) Is there? Rly? ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread Matthias Meißer
Well but OSM offers the feature=val1;val2;val3 modelling possibility, that is even supported by JOSM, right? But feel free to add your suggestion to the wikipage so all can see. Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something temporary and not required to have beauty in its form What, there is no beauty in my rump steak? I cant accept that, it's not true!!!1eleven11! ;) Just kidding. Peter _

Re: [Tagging] ele-key for lakes / water bodies and glaciers

2010-08-24 Thread Liz
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Elena of Valhalla wrote: > on the way that marks the boundary of lakes etc. I would expect the > ele key to tag the average height of the water surface, since that is > what is constant on the whole lake I live in a land of drought and flooding rains (apologies to the poet). S

Re: [Tagging] ele-key for lakes / water bodies and glaciers

2010-08-24 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/23/10, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > How do you use the key ele for water covered areas like lakes? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ele > > I think I would use it to tag the height of the ground (solid) part, > and not the water surface, because this is what I would expect a > terrain

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Dave F.
On 23/08/2010 10:49, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/22 Claudius Henrichs: tourism=artwork + artwork_type=sculpture because of the quote above I'm raising the question: is tourism a good top-category? I think in many cases it is not. Even hotels are only sometimes related to tourism, whil

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 12:00, schrieb Peter Körner: > I'd love to see this proposal but I wanted to get the craft= through, > first. I also see some values on the list that are no crafts in my > understanding, like craft=butcher or craft=bakery, but the question is > -- why? How do we express this separatio

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Liz
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Peter Körner wrote: > Am 24.08.2010 10:43, schrieb Élisée Reclus: > > Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft > > > > Are artists, computer

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 10:43, schrieb Élisée Reclus: Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft Are artists, computer experts, fashion designers, funeral directors and photograph

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 10:53, schrieb Pieren: We need a better definition. The questions is: are craft=butcher, craft=bakery and craft=beekeeper really valid values? How would a definition sound, that excludes direct selling to end customers but only to other shops? > A baker or a restaurant could als

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 11:02, schrieb Ross Scanlon: I thought it was there to produce the most accurate map data available Yes and then produce mapping information easily. No, never really been. Generally speaking, OSM tries to make it fun for the mappers to map stuff. If someone wants to use it it's

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/24 Ross Scanlon : >> > Typical. >> > >> > NFI about database use so you resort to slinging mud. >> > >> > >> > I have a significant idea about how osm works as I have to integrate it >> > into programs I write or contribute to. >> > >> > If the database was normalised then I'd have a reduct

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 11:19, schrieb John Smith: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare >> >> Would be nice to get a review. Please add suggestions to the wiki talk pages >> in english. > > Can someone translate the rest of the page into english please... It's already bilingua

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 August 2010 19:10, digi_c wrote: > Dear mappers, > we think we finished the brainstorming phase for our new proposal: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare > > Would be nice to get a review. Please add suggestions to the wiki talk pages > in english. I'd split ou

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 August 2010 19:10, digi_c wrote: > Dear mappers, > we think we finished the brainstorming phase for our new proposal: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare > > Would be nice to get a review. Please add suggestions to the wiki talk pages > in english. Can someone

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread digi_c
Dear mappers, we think we finished the brainstorming phase for our new proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare Would be nice to get a review. Please add suggestions to the wiki talk pages in english. regards Matthias ___

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-08-24 01:43, Peter Körner wrote: Am 24.08.2010 10:28, schrieb Alan Mintz: At 2010-08-24 01:08, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_K=F6rner?= wrote: some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft My observations: - Is

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Tom Chance
On 24 August 2010 09:53, Pieren wrote: > n Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Peter Körner wrote: > >> It goes like >> >> A place producing or processing customised goods. >> >> > We need a better definition. A baker or a restaurant could also belong to > that category but I still prefer 'shop' for b

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
> > Typical. > > > > NFI about database use so you resort to slinging mud. > > > > > > I have a significant idea about how osm works as I have to integrate it > > into programs I write or contribute to. > > > > If the database was normalised then I'd have a reduction of about 1000 > > lines of co

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 August 2010 18:49, Ulf Lamping wrote: > Hint: OSM is not about database coders saving their time. Then why is the license being changed to encourage more people to use it? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstree

Re: [Tagging] ele-key for lakes / water bodies and glaciers

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
Since water levels, can fluctuate substantially both seasonally and annually, I'm not sure of the benefit of the ele=* tag on bodies of water, nor on contours since this is something you'd use DEM information/files for. *Maybe* I'd use them on glaciers, but only peaks, otherwise you just end up po

Re: [Tagging] Mapnik reender

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Liz : > You have happily broken one of the written rules - tagging something so that > it renders +1 > Did you consider a request for a new icon and a render of that icon for the > statue? personally I think that tourism=artwork is quite a bad tag. Art is in no way more related to t

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Pieren
n Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Peter Körner wrote: > It goes like > > A place producing or processing customised goods. > > We need a better definition. A baker or a restaurant could also belong to that category but I still prefer 'shop' for baker and 'amenity' for restaurant.. Pieren _

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 10:46, schrieb Ross Scanlon: > ... The renderers would simply have to look in the tagging table to see what needs to be displayed. Sounds to me that you have absolutely no clue how OSM is actually working. Regards, ULFL Typical. NFI about database use so you resort to sli

Re: [Tagging] ele-key for lakes / water bodies and glaciers

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Alan Mintz : > I would expect the opposite - the elevation of the water surface above "sea > level". It appears that Google Earth does it this way (e.g. Lake Arrowhead ~ > 34.258476, -117.182861). If you look at other maps e.g. here: http://mappery.com/Elevation-Contours-of-Lake-Okeecho

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
> > ... > > The renderers would simply have to look in the tagging table to see what > > needs to be displayed. > > Sounds to me that you have absolutely no clue how OSM is actually working. > > Regards, ULFL Typical. NFI about database use so you resort to slinging mud. I have a significan

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: Hi some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft It has grown over time and I got some questions to move i

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 10:28, schrieb Alan Mintz: At 2010-08-24 01:08, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_K=F6rner?= wrote: some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft My observations: - plummer should be plumber - Is heating_engin

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft Are artists, computer experts, fashion designers, funeral directors and photographers really craftsmen? There could also be a

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 10:29, schrieb Ross Scanlon: > ... The renderers would simply have to look in the tagging table to see what needs to be displayed. Sounds to me that you have absolutely no clue how OSM is actually working. Regards, ULFL ___ Tagging m

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
You may also want to have a read of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization -- Cheers Ross ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 10:27, schrieb Tom Chance: You are of course welcome to begin the proposal process, follow these instructions here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_a_proposal Okay, I'll do so. You will need to create this as a proper proposal page, invite some more discussion and th

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-08-24 01:08, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_K=F6rner?= wrote: some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft My observations: - plummer should be plumber - Is heating_engineer really different from hvac? - I would

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:03:42 +0200 Ulf Lamping wrote: > Am 24.08.2010 09:36, schrieb Ross Scanlon: > >> Well, I will take a change to 'troll' again about it. This discussion > >> comes up again and again because we don't have: > >> a) clear tagging guidelines (*not* rules) > >> b) mechanism to re

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Tom Chance
Hi Peter, On 24 August 2010 09:08, Peter Körner wrote: > some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft > > It has grown over time and I got some q

[Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Hi some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft It has grown over time and I got some questions to move it over to map features. I'd love to do so a

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 09:36, schrieb Ross Scanlon: Well, I will take a change to 'troll' again about it. This discussion comes up again and again because we don't have: a) clear tagging guidelines (*not* rules) b) mechanism to replace tags Agree totally. This (b) would be easily recitified by normalis

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
> Well, I will take a change to 'troll' again about it. This discussion > comes up again and again because we don't have: > a) clear tagging guidelines (*not* rules) > b) mechanism to replace tags Agree totally. This (b) would be easily recitified by normalising the database in regards to tags.

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 04:58:47PM +1000, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > Fair enough, but what if many people agree with the change? What if > > convincing arguments are given for, many people agree with them, and the > > only major disagreement is “it goes against the status quo”? > > Or the only disag

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/8/24 Ross Scanlon : >> I hope we are flexible enough to allow our tagging to evolve and >> improve. > >> > especially not, if a lot of people actually disagree with that change. >> >> Fair enough, but what if many people agree with the change?  What if >> convincing arguments are given for, ma