Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/7 Greg Troxel : >> better use always "building" for the building and >> "railway=station" for the station (function) > > I'm sympathetic to that, but what tag goes on the building way other > than building=yes to denote that a building is a station building? Or > was? currently there are

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > 2013/2/7 Greg Troxel : >> ... because in the present, railway=station means the >> site and we don't really denote the building. In the historic:, >> railway=station is the building and railway=station_site is the place. > > > -1, better use always "building" for t

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/7 Greg Troxel : > ... because in the present, railway=station means the > site and we don't really denote the building. In the historic:, > railway=station is the building and railway=station_site is the place. -1, better use always "building" for the building and "railway=station" for th

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Steve Bennett writes: > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jonathan Bennett > wrote: >> There was this discussion on talk-gb recently: >> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-January/014376.html > > Yeah, that's actually what prompted this discussion - I was pointed > there by

Re: [Tagging] tower vs mast vs antenna

2013-02-06 Thread Greg Troxel
fly writes: > I was trying to get a common tower preset working for JOSM [1], when I > started reading about the terms on wikipedia (english). > > As I am not a native speaker, I like to ask natives about there > thoughts but as far as I understood it. > > What we call man_made=mast is still a t

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > There was this discussion on talk-gb recently: > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-January/014376.html Yeah, that's actually what prompted this discussion - I was pointed there by Andy Allan when I commented on some O

[Tagging] tower vs mast vs antenna

2013-02-06 Thread fly
Hi I was trying to get a common tower preset working for JOSM [1], when I started reading about the terms on wikipedia (english). As I am not a native speaker, I like to ask natives about there thoughts but as far as I understood it. What we call man_made=mast is still a tower and man_made=ante

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Vonwald
Makes sense. So we're back to amenity. Something like amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter + (if necessary) access=private should cover it. Martin 2013/2/6 Alberto : > I'm against animal=shelter. As emerged in previous discussions, an animal is > not a shelter. > It exists amenity=animal

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Alberto
I'm against animal=shelter. As emerged in previous discussions, an animal is not a shelter. It exists amenity=animal_shelter [1] for large structures with a staff that takes care of animals and that eventually heals them. On taginfo already exists animal=shelter, and in many cases it has been used

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/6 Martin Simon : > -1 for tagging it as amenity=shelter. > We also don't do that with carports, garden sheds or dog houses. > The object tagged amenity=shelter should imho be intended and usable for > sheltering humans against bad weather and be freely accessible. Agree to a certain degree

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Simon
-1 for tagging it as amenity=shelter. We also don't do that with carports, garden sheds or dog houses. The object tagged amenity=shelter should imho be intended and usable for sheltering humans against bad weather and be freely accessible. -Martin 2013/2/6 Martin Vonwald > 2013/2/6 Martin Kopp

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Vonwald
2013/2/6 Martin Koppenhoefer : > So trying to remove ambiguity as much as possible you could tag this: > > building=field_shelter (or building=roof, layer=1) > amenity=shelter > shelter_type=field_shelter Except for the building, that was my first idea. In my opinion it would fit the description o

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/6 Philip Barnes : > I would go for building=shelter rather than amenity. > > > Amenity would imply it is available for anyone passing with a horse to take > shelter. I think this would put more implication into amenity than what it practically has in OSM (see e.g. amenity=parking, access=p

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > 2013/2/6 Dudley Ibbett : >> The other problem with mapping some of these is they are often designed to >> be mobile to get round planning rules. > > Correct! > >> I'm not sure I'd map this mobile type as it will probably/should move in the >>

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 06/02/2013 00:50, Greg Troxel wrote: > (I > am also curious if a British railroad geek could explain if the OSM > terms seem right to the railfan community.) There was this discussion on talk-gb recently: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-January/014376.html _

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Vonwald
2013/2/6 Philip Barnes : > I would go for building=shelter rather than amenity. > > Amenity would imply it is available for anyone passing with a horse to take > shelter. Actually if amenity is not a good choice I would rather go for animal=shelter instead of building=shelter. Maybe the key animal

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Philip Barnes
I would go for building=shelter rather than amenity. Amenity would imply it is available for anyone passing with a horse to take shelter. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/02/2013 9:00 Martin Vonwald wrote: No, they are definitively not stables. Differently to a stable the horse can go in

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Vonwald
2013/2/6 Dudley Ibbett : > The other problem with mapping some of these is they are often designed to > be mobile to get round planning rules. Correct! > I'm not sure I'd map this mobile type as it will probably/should move in the > next year! I only think about field shelters that are _not_ mob

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Dudley Ibbett
Sorry, but the picture is not a stable. It is, in the UK, a field shelter. The other problem with mapping some of these is they are often designed to be mobile to get round planning rules. The image is a mobile version. There have been previous discussions on this, so you might want to searc

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Martin Vonwald
No, they are definitively not stables. Differently to a stable the horse can go in and out as it pleases. They are usually placed in the field as protection from bad weather. An example of a field shelter can be seen here: [1] You definitively don't call them stables ;-) Martin [1] https://pica

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Philip Barnes
Are they not stables? Am not sure about amenity, that implies public use. I would suggest building = stable. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/02/2013 7:03 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: Hi, Are there any arguments against using amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter for field shel