Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread John Packer
Just a quick comment: If it's not useful to use it on ways, then I don't think we should recommend it on nodes *or ways* on the wiki page (as it is currently). In fact, we should recommend against putting on ways. 2014-04-09 16:16 GMT-03:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Schäfer
Yes, I agree. That recommendation was introduced yesterday by Pieren [1]. I strongly oppose that. The wiki is not for documenting Tagging-trends, but for documenting best practices. And I would say, that tagging noexit=yes on ways is not a best practice. In my opinion an acceptable comment in

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread fly
On 10.04.2014 14:51, John Packer wrote: Just a quick comment: If it's not useful to use it on ways, then I don't think we should recommend it on nodes /or ways/ on the wiki page (as it is currently). In fact, we should recommend against putting on ways. Well, there is one person against wiki

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread John Packer
I removed the use on ways from the wiki page. The wiki is not for documenting Tagging-trends, but for documenting best practices. I agree 100% with this. I also added the following phrase to the Usage section: In the past this tag was used on ways very often, but because tagging on ways has

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:48 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: I also added the following phrase to the Usage section: In the past this tag was used on ways very often, but because tagging on ways has several disadvantages, you should rather tag noexit=yes on nodes. I cannot

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:10 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, there is one person against wiki fiddling and in favour of using it on ways, who simply does change the just corrected version without further discussion. Well, consider that I'm speaking in the name of the

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Schäfer
Am 10.04.2014 15:48, schrieb John Packer: I removed the use on ways from the wiki page. The wiki is not for documenting Tagging-trends, but for documenting best practices. I agree 100% with this. I also added the following phrase to the Usage section: In the past this tag was

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Schäfer
Am 10.04.2014 15:54, schrieb Pieren: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:10 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, there is one person against wiki fiddling and in favour of using it on ways, who simply does change the just corrected version without further discussion. Well, consider that I'm

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de wrote: True, in the most cases it is not important. But sometimes it is, for example in my T-deadend example, mentioned on this ML. All cases can be covered by the tagging on nodes. The tagging on ways can't cover all

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-10 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-10 15:07, Florian Schäfer wrote : Yes, I agree. That recommendation was introduced yesterday by Pieren [1]. I strongly oppose that. The wiki is not for documenting Tagging-trends, but for documenting best practices. And I

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Yves
I guess the problem arises from tagging dead-ends in a geo database. QA tools should keep there false positives for themself, not in OSM, don't you think? On 10 avril 2014 16:59:44 UTC+02:00, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Mike N
On 4/10/2014 12:10 PM, Yves wrote: I guess the problem arises from tagging dead-ends in a geo database. QA tools should keep there false positives for themself, not in OSM, don't you think? Except that I don't use QA tools when editing data. But often as I create something that ends

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Mike N
On 4/10/2014 10:59 AM, Pieren wrote: But we don't have problems with the tag on the way ! It's true that the wiki has to document the best practices but it should not fordid practices that are not wrong, harmfull, unclear or ambiguous ! I regret the time when people worked with a more open mind

[Tagging] Voting ended: amenity=boat_sharing

2014-04-10 Thread nounours77
Dear all, The voting ended, thanks for all of you for joining the discussion and voting. The proposal received 8 approvals and 1 maybe. Considering the limited scope of the proposal, I therefore consider it accepted and will update the wiki accordingly. Nevertheless, in the discussion the

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread John Packer
I agree with André Pirard that: 1. If we say it should be tagged on the way, it should be clearer how it should be tagged (what if the cul-de-sac is splitted, etc) 2. noexit was a bad choice of name for this key Personally I don't know if using noexit=yes on ways is used by any software nowadays.

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-10 16:59, Pieren wrote : On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de wrote: True, in the most cases it is not important. But sometimes it is, for example in my T-deadend example, mentioned on this ML. All cases can be covered by the tagging on nodes.

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Schäfer
Am 10.04.2014 16:59, schrieb Pieren: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de wrote: True, in the most cases it is not important. But sometimes it is, for example in my T-deadend example, mentioned on this ML. All cases can be covered by the tagging on nodes. The

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 10.04.2014 16:01, schrieb Pieren: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:48 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: I also added the following phrase to the Usage section: In the past this tag was used on ways very often, but because tagging on ways has several disadvantages, you should rather