[Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-19 Thread Pee Wee
This year the bicycle=use_sidepath was accepeted. After the vote I made a wiki page . I've just noticed that the page was changed in such a way that it also changes the definition. The tag can only be applied in counties that have compu

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-19 Thread Jo
FYI it will remain a numeric ID, so it's unlikely you will ever become unagainst it. Editor support may help in displaying a human readable tag, but that will depend on the software, of course. Jo 2014-08-19 8:52 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > 2014-08-19 0:38 GMT+02:00 Tobias Knerr : > > For

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 8:22 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee : > In The Netherlands we more or less have agreement on this scheme > for > tagging cycleways, cycle streets. I've also noticed this is totally > different from the schemes used in Germany and oth

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I think that describing this situation as tagging for renderer would be a good idea. 2014-08-19 9:04 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee : > This year the bicycle=use_sidepath was accepeted. After the vote I made a wiki > page . > I've just noticed th

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 9:11 GMT+02:00 Jo : > FYI it will remain a numeric ID, so it's unlikely you will ever become > unagainst it. > > Editor support may help in displaying a human readable tag, but that will > depend on the software, of course. > > Jo > > > 2014-08-19 8:52 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 1:08 GMT+02:00 Heiko Wöhrle : > Hi everybody, > > i'd like to readdress an old draft from Xan, that has never been voted but is > nevertheless in use. > > Please feel free to comment the slightly changed proposal: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nudism > > Best

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 22:00, SomeoneElse > ha scritto: > > They _exactly_ fit the British English definition of a cycleway, actually (in > fact, most places that I've been apart from Germany) - you can both walk and > cycle on them. In Germany, France and Italy (at least) you c

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/19/2014 09:04 AM, Pee Wee wrote: > Sure I could send an email to the person that changed this but what do > you think is the best way to deal with this changing wiki pages? Or > should I just accept that these things happen and change it back and > send an email? Well you should certain

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/08/2014 09:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: FWIW, the documented "default" in OSM (if such thing as defaults is accepted anyway) is foot=no according to this page linked from the cycleway definition: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions That wiki pag

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Heiko Wöhrle
i was also thinking about that. i think it is only neccesary if a former nudist place is changed to a place where clothing is expected Am 19.08.2014 09:37, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > Is it reasonable to define that it defaults to no? I am worried about another > obvious tag (nudism=no) ap

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Jo
maybe it should be nudism/naturism=not_anymore or paradise_lost Jo 2014-08-19 11:13 GMT+02:00 Heiko Wöhrle : > i was also thinking about that. i think it is only neccesary if a former > nudist place is changed to a place where clothing is expected > > > > Am 19.08.2014 09:37, schrieb Mateusz K

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Richard Z.
> > i was also thinking about that. i think it is only neccesary if a former > nudist place is changed to a place where clothing is expected > in some areas nudism is so prevalent that it is a good idea to use nudism=no in places where it is not expected/allowed. In other areas it would not mak

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2014-08-19 at 10:23:51 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 22:00, SomeoneElse > > ha scritto: > > They _exactly_ fit the British English definition of a cycleway, actually > > (in fact, most places that I've been apart from Germany) - you can both > > walk a

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-19 Thread Andreas Labres
On 18.08.14 16:04, fly wrote: > On the English wiki page [1] "comma" is the proposed separator for > several values of addr:housenumber. > This contradicts our rule of using "semi-colon" as separator of values > and I do not have a clue why. I would not at all put different housenumbers into one t

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 19.08.2014 09:37, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > >> >> Is it reasonable to define that it defaults to no? I am worried about >> another obvious tag (nudism=no) appearing everywhere. this is entirely dependent on the culture, but I agree that in the region I map nudism=no can safely be as

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread phil
The usual english term applied to beaches is 'clothing optional'. Phil (trigpoint) On Tue Aug 19 2014 11:54:21 GMT+0100 (BST), Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am 19.08.2014 09:37, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > > > >> > >> Is it reasonable to define that it defaults to no? I am worried about

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 19/ago/2014, alle ore 10:55, SomeoneElse > ha scritto: > > It's worth noting that all of the countries listed there (bar a few, some > already mentioned) have "foot=yes" on a cycleway either all the time or in > some circumstances - Have a closer look and you'll find that in m

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread John Packer
Heiko, > yes i would like to bring that to vote.It is an attempt to unify the > tagging for this purpose. > Ok, but it's not clear in the proposal what you are trying to do. Do you want to deprecate the key naturism=* in favor of nudism=*? Do you want to use both of them? (in this case, please exp

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 19/ago/2014, alle ore 11:35, Elena ``of Valhalla'' > ha scritto: > > In Italy this is true in theory, but in practice cycleways that aren't > combined cycleway + footway (with the corresponding sign) are extremely > rare. there is one 50m from my home, might be a coincidence but

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:54:21PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Maybe a more generic tag like dress_code would also catch these places? This > was already proposed some time ago IIRR. this was already discussed on some talk page - why can't I find it now? :( > It could also be inter

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-19 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 19.08.2014 09:04, Pee Wee wrote: > Sure I could send an email to the person that changed this but what do > you think is the best way to deal with this changing wiki pages? Or > should I just accept that these things happen and change it back and > send an email? If someone changes the meaning

[Tagging] Wayside shrines that are not historic

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
How one should tag wayside shrine that is not historic? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wayside_shrine is not providing an answer. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wayside shrines that are not historic

2014-08-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/19/2014 04:45 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > How one should tag wayside shrine that is not historic? Wait a few years. Then it is historic! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Taggi

Re: [Tagging] Wayside shrines that are not historic

2014-08-19 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Mateusz Konieczny wrote, on 2014-08-19 16:45: How one should tag wayside shrine that is not historic? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wayside_shrine is not providing an answer. That question was asked 2010 already on the discussion page. I agree that 'historic' is ambiguous in the first pl

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread Pee Wee
2014-08-19 9:11 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > 2014-08-19 8:22 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee : > > In The Netherlands we more or less have agreement on this scheme >> for >> tagging cycleways, cycle streets. I've also noticed this is totally

Re: [Tagging] Wayside shrines that are not historic

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 17:23 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer : > Mateusz Konieczny wrote, on 2014-08-19 16:45: > > How one should tag wayside shrine that is not historic? >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wayside_shrine is not providing >> an answer. >> > > That question was asked 2010 already on the discussion

Re: [Tagging] Wayside shrines that are not historic

2014-08-19 Thread John Packer
Mateusz, You should use historic=wayside_shrine for wayside shrines, regardless of whether they are historic or not. Just like the tag amenity=place_of_worship is used even on grounds of gnostic or atheist religions. Cheers, John 2014-08-19 12:52 GMT-03:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > > > > 2014-08-1

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-19 Thread fly
Am 19.08.2014 12:17, schrieb Andreas Labres: > On 18.08.14 16:04, fly wrote: >> On the English wiki page [1] "comma" is the proposed separator for >> several values of addr:housenumber. >> This contradicts our rule of using "semi-colon" as separator of values >> and I do not have a clue why. > > I

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-19 Thread fly
Am 19.08.2014 10:38, schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > On 08/19/2014 09:04 AM, Pee Wee wrote: >> Sure I could send an email to the person that changed this but what do >> you think is the best way to deal with this changing wiki pages? Or >> should I just accept that these things happen and change

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-19 Thread Will Phillips
I often use the addr:interpolation tag on entrances or buildings. I don't understand some people's objection to this. I don't see any ambiguity: if the addr:interpolation tag is present the addr:housenumber tag represents a range, otherwise it should be interpreted as a single address. As someo

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:12:07AM +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > 2014-08-12 22:57 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > > what else can I do? > > > > Maybe it's time to open up a change request for the main map style? The tag > man_made=bridge seems to be used worldwide [1] in some - more or less

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 19/ago/2014, alle ore 23:45, Will Phillips ha > scritto: > > I find that by far the most time consuming part of surveying house numbers is > actually adding the data afterwards and for this reason I think we should be > trying to make the tagging quick and straightforward for map

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-19 Thread Will Phillips
On 20/08/2014 00:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Il giorno 19/ago/2014, alle ore 23:45, Will Phillips ha scritto: I find that by far the most time consuming part of surveying house numbers is actually adding the data afterwards and for this reason I think we should be trying to make the taggi

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-19 Thread Andreas Labres
On 19.08.14 23:17, fly wrote: > but 265-267 is wrong Disagree. addr:housenumber is the official number given to that building. And if it's "265-267", then addr:housenumber=265-267 is the only correct implementation of this. This is not a listing, this is a label only. /al __

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Changing the comment on a changeset after it posts

2014-08-19 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2014-08-19 21:22 -0400, Elliott Plack wrote: > Is there a way to change a changeset comment after it posts. I'm amidst a > large import and a few of the uploads have the wrong note. This is due to > the auto-fill function of the comment in JOSM acting up (expletive!). > Luckily they stil

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread John F. Eldredge
Are you allowed to walk on the cycle path while pushing a broken-down bicycle (for example, if the chain breaks)? I have been on some bicycle paths where brush grows up to the edge of the path, so there would not be room to walk next to the path. On August 19, 2014 3:23:51 AM CDT, Martin Kopp

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-19 Thread Pee Wee
Thanks for the comments. I'll play it fair. I've just sent an email to the person that changed it even though I find it hard to believe that the next sentence was something many mappers would agree on. " *"Usage in cities* *Barcelona and London