Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Dan S
Hi, Thanks all for your thoughts. Will and Holger seem to have the same approach as me, which gives me the confidence to edit the wiki and at least document this approach: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Buildings_with_multiple_house_numbers Hopefully I've done it in a way which won'

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-20 Thread Holger Jeromin
Andreas Labres wrote on 20.08.2014 04:10: > On 19.08.14 23:17, fly wrote: >> but 265-267 is wrong Read as "tagging 265-267 alone is wrong". > Disagree. addr:housenumber is the official number given to that building. And > if > it's "265-267", then addr:housenumber=265-267 is the only correct >

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014, Will Phillips wrote: > On 20/08/2014 00:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Il giorno 19/ago/2014, alle ore 23:45, Will Phillips ha > > > scritto: > > > > > > I find that by far the most time consuming part of surveying house > > > numbers is actually adding the data after

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Dan S
2014-08-20 11:11 GMT+01:00 Ilpo Järvinen : > On Wed, 20 Aug 2014, Will Phillips wrote: > >> On 20/08/2014 00:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> > > Il giorno 19/ago/2014, alle ore 23:45, Will Phillips >> > > ha >> > > scritto: >> > > >> > > I find that by far the most time consuming part of survey

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Simon Poole
Am 20.08.2014 12:11, schrieb Ilpo Järvinen: ... lots of stuff from past experiences ... There is no reason not to immediately enter the address data, preferably as entrance nodes if the building outlines exist, if they don't, placing an address node at an appropriate place is far easier if you

[Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Currently only weakest reason to use this tag are described. I propose to add "Typically it is used on ways legally dedicated to specific modes of travel by a law or by the rules of traffic." as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:access%3Ddesignated ___

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-20 Thread SomeoneElse
On 20/08/2014 12:38, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Currently only weakest reason to use this tag are described. I propose to add "Typically it is used on ways legally dedicated to specific modes of travel by a law or by the rules of traffic." as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:T

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014, Simon Poole wrote: > Am 20.08.2014 12:11, schrieb Ilpo Järvinen: > ... lots of stuff from past experiences ... > > There is no reason not to immediately enter the address data, preferably > as entrance nodes if the building outlines exist, if they don't, placing > an address n

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Simon Poole
IMHO mapping house numbers while on a bicycle is one of those things that simply doesn't really work, contrary to other things that work well (road signs etc). Not that it couldn't be done, but the technical effort required to do so is significant (aka in the direction of googles streetview tricycl

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-08-15 16:12, André Pirard wrote : > Hi, > > It's a well known fact that many people complain to tag in vain > because what they tag doesn't show on the map (e.g. mini-golf vs > tennis pitch), because they're told to open a rendering ticket which > replies that only official tags are support

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-08-15 17:05, Vincent Pottier wrote : > What a nice map we would get : > > * way: addr:housenumber=1; my_tag=nothing_known_elsewhere; render=pink > * way: addr:housenumber=2; other_tag=known_only_by_me; render=yellow > * way: addr:housebumber=3; my_private_tag=dont_use_it; render=viole

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-08-15 16:31, Peter Wendorff wrote : > not a good idea IMHO. > 1) what is the feature this tag should refer to? Consider a polygon that > is tagged as a building (building=yes) and a shop (shop=supermarked) and > a Walmart (operator=WalMart), and the mapper added RENDER=blue. What is > it th

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-20 13:44 GMT+02:00 SomeoneElse : > On 20/08/2014 12:38, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> Currently only weakest reason to use this tag are described. I propose to >> add "Typically it is used on ways legally dedicated to specific modes of >> travel >> by a law or by the rules of traffic." as

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/20/14 8:33 AM, André Pirard wrote: > > Hence, the general consensus is either to tag for the renderer or not > to tag such touristic POIs at all. > It's strange to have to campaign for tagging !!! this proposal completely breaks the model of decoupling the factual mapping database from the da

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 20/ago/2014, alle ore 14:56, Mateusz Konieczny ha scritto: >> The problem with "legally dedicated" is that it might mean "are legally >> allowed to use" or "are legally required to use rather than an alternative". >> I've always understand "designated" to suggest the second of the

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread Marc Gemis
With overpass you can find all objects that have certain tags, e.g. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4F2 finds all administrative boundaries without wikidata tag. By default Overpass Turbo renders those areas in yellow with a blue border. I have not experimented with overpass + mapcss, but http://wiki.o

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
I'm trying to find a way to photograph sideways from my bike and send photos to Mapillary. The day should be shiny with a lot of light so I don't have to go to slow, and the camera should be mounted just right so I don't lose too much numbers. Then when the photos are on Mapillary, anyone can map t

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-20 15:54 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > Il giorno 20/ago/2014, alle ore 14:56, Mateusz Konieczny < > matkoni...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > The problem with "legally dedicated" is that it might mean "are legally >> allowed to use" or "are legally required to use rather than an >> alt

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread phil
On Wed Aug 20 2014 15:27:06 GMT+0100 (BST), Janko Mihelić wrote: > I'm trying to find a way to photograph sideways from my bike and send > photos to Mapillary. The day should be shiny with a lot of light so I don't > have to go to slow, and the camera should be mounted just right so I don't > los

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Bryan Housel
Yes, people are doing this with GoPro: http://blog.amanzi.org/2014/05/using-gopro-time-lapse-photos-for.html On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I'm trying to find a way to photograph sideways from my bike and send photos > to Mapillary. The day should be shiny with a lot of l

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread Dave F.
On 20/08/2014 13:33, André Pirard wrote: I summarize the answers below. An example for using RENDER is this: * landuse=recreation_ground* a sort of holiday/family event site inside which you have a quite visible *leisure=pitch sport=tennis* and two perfectly invisible polygon features (officia

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread Marc Gemis
Try this query http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4Fc Blue for miniature golf, red for dog parks. (only nodes and areas) regards m On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > With overpass you can find all objects that have certain tags, e.g. > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4F2 finds all admini

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-20 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 01:08:25AM +0200, Heiko Wöhrle wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > i'd like to readdress an old draft from Xan, that has never been voted > but is nevertheless in use. > > Please feel free to comment the slightly changed proposal: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pro

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread Peter Wendorff
Okay, let me get a bit more verbose. I want to get Walmarts shown on the map in a different color. Before there's a polygon with the following tags: shop=supermarket building=yes operator=WalMart addr:street=whatever addr:housenumber:42 addr:city=YouLike render=blue Another polygon is tagged sh

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread Marc Gemis
Also, from one of the talks on SOTM-EU 2014 [1], I learned that Mapnik, does not allow one to use a value from the database as color in the rendering. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=850JJHQKp_s On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Okay, let me get a bit more verbose.

[Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi, Sorry to raise this issue again but it really does need resolving: * for ensuring good data; and * to prevent forest and wood being rendered as the same thing [1] Currently the descriptions in the green box on the right of the wiki page (and thus those that get picked up by taginfo and other

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 20 August 2014 18:45, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Wood: Woodland with no forestry > Forest: Managed woodland or woodland plantation. How do you define forestry or 'managing' forests? Most forests in the Netherlands are managed by Staatsbosbeheer, the national forest trust. They have as policy (at

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > How do you define forestry or 'managing' forests? With "commercial/industrial purpose/usage of the area"? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/lis

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.08.2014 19:45, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Wood: Woodland with no forestry > Forest: Managed woodland or woodland plantation. > > In my eyes this is pretty clear. What am I missing / why does there seem > to be so much confusion? I believe some reasons why this topic comes up repeatedly are: 1.

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-20 Thread Heiko Wöhrle
Hi Richard, yes i changed the values because i found the differentiation between "customary with prevalent nudity" and "permissive but not prevalent nudity" difficult. But i had a mistake in my description, it should be: "designated" to places where nudity is officially permitted but not obl

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 20 August 2014 19:24, Tobias Knerr wrote: > 3. This distinction feels unusual for people in countries where > traditional maps use other factors to distinguish different wood > signatures, e.g. broadleaved/needleleaved. The little pine-like icons in > the landuse areas seem somewhat confusing i

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 20 August 2014 19:25, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Matthijs Melissen > wrote: >> How do you define forestry or 'managing' forests? > > With "commercial/industrial purpose/usage of the area"? Would planting forest to prevent landslides, or to provide leisure,

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.08.2014 20:30, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 20 August 2014 19:24, Tobias Knerr wrote: >> 3. This distinction feels unusual for people in countries where >> traditional maps use other factors to distinguish different wood >> signatures, e.g. broadleaved/needleleaved. The little pine-like ico

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 20 August 2014 19:25, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Matthijs Melissen >> wrote: >>> How do you define forestry or 'managing' forests? >> >> With "commercial/industrial purpose/usage of the area"? >

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-20 19:45 GMT+02:00 Rob Nickerson : > Wood: Woodland with no forestry > Forest: Managed woodland or woodland plantation. > > In my eyes this is pretty clear. What am I missing / why does there seem > to be so much confusion? > This difference is impossible to maintain during mapping as typ

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread John F. Eldredge
You will probably need to have the camera in video mode, and subsequently locate which frames give you the best view of the house number. Trying to both watch where you are going, and also pick the best location for a single shot, would be about as risky as trying to send text messages while ped

[Tagging] Some problems with representing highways as areas

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Is it OK to tag linear pedestrian highways (highway=footway on way) as highway=footway+area=yes areas? Is it OK to tag linear pedestrian highways (highway=footway on way) as highway=footway+area=yes areas and delete linear segments? Is it OK to tag linear highways used by pedestrian and cyclists

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Rob Nickerson
On 20 August 2014 18:45, Rob Nickerson wrote: > > Wood: Woodland with no forestry > Forest: Managed woodland or woodland plantation. > > I think for me the wording isn't quite right. For me landuse=forest is something that has been planted for the purpose of harvesting trees. Therefore planting t

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-20 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 08:28:13PM +0200, Heiko Wöhrle wrote: Hi, > yes i changed the values because i found the differentiation between > "customary with prevalent nudity" and "permissive but not prevalent nudity" > difficult. > > But i had a mistake in my description, it should be: > "designat

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 06:45:30PM +0100, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry to raise this issue again but it really does need resolving: > > * for ensuring good data; and > * to prevent forest and wood being rendered as the same thing [1] > > Currently the descriptions in the green box on the

Re: [Tagging] Some problems with representing highways as areas

2014-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
areas for directional highways can be mapped _additionally_ as area:highway=* but you should not delete the linear graph. highway=* together with area=yes is for highway areas that are not directional (I.e. they're omnidirectional). footway and area=yes does not make sense to me, as this would

Re: [Tagging] Some problems with representing highways as areas

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-20 23:54 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > footway and area=yes does not make sense to me, as this would usually be > pedestrian, no? > In this case it makes sense as somebody want to map as area something that clearly is a linear footway. ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 20/ago/2014, alle ore 19:45, Rob Nickerson > ha scritto: > > Wood: Woodland with no forestry > Forest: Managed woodland or woodland plantation. isn't woodland less dense then a forest? I think a true forest needs to have some extent in order to be a forest (e.g. for habitat reas

Re: [Tagging] Some problems with representing highways as areas

2014-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 21/ago/2014, alle ore 00:00, Mateusz Konieczny > ha scritto: > > In this case it makes sense as somebody want to map as area something that > clearly is a linear footway. as I've pointed out, s/he should use "area:highway" for this and keep the linear highway=footway cheers,

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Aug 20, 2014 6:45 PM, "Rob Nickerson" wrote: > Forest: Managed woodland or woodland plantation Who planted or manages the rain forests? -- Andy Mabbett ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tag

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > Who planted or manages the rain forests? Rain forests are forests/woods with a high annual rainfall. Here in Western Washington State, some of the rain forests are protected, i.e. Olympic National Park, others are managed and harvested. I s

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2014-08-20 at 18:45 +0100, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Wood: Woodland with no forestry > Forest: Managed woodland or woodland plantation. Sorry, no. Certainly in Australia and I am sure lots of other parts of the world, the term 'forest' does not necessarily mean managed or planted. Most fores

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
The Mapillary app let's you choose the period between shots. So if I choose 2 seconds, and drive slowly, I could get most numbers. Well, depends on the street, size of the numbers, and a few other factors. Dana 20. 8. 2014. 22:26 osoba "John F. Eldredge" napisala je: > You will probably need to h