Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Dave F
On 04/11/2016 10:30, althio wrote: Hi Sven and list, Sven Geggus wrote: What I consider valid would be the countires name in all of its official langages. I don't consider it valid. I prefer the on-the-ground rule, de facto languages, choice by local community. What's the difference betwee

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-05 12:46 GMT+01:00 Dave F : > What's the difference between 'de facto' & official? "official name" can have several meanings, but is generally referring to text on dead tree. It can be found in laws/constitutions (typically in the first or an early paragraph), treaties, can be released

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread althio
Dave F wrote: > What's the difference between 'de facto' & official? Martin beat me to it, but let me add links for reference, definition and examples. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_language > An official language is a language that is given a special legal status [...] > the term

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-05 14:14 GMT+01:00 althio : > > Although the United States currently has no official language, it is > largely monolingual with English being the de facto national language. interesting case, because it is an example that "official languages" can be set on sub-country level as well (man

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-05 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 03-11-16 11:55, Yves wrote: @Tijmen, IMHO there is very little chance to convince people to change the way we tag highways because of buses using them or not. Yves This saddens me, because I don't propose to "change the way of tagging", but to "formalize the current main practice of tagging

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-05 Thread Yves
In fact, there is no need to document any special values of highway as far as buses are concerned !? Buses can drive on whatever highway type their operators and drivers may see fit. Yves Le 5 novembre 2016 16:42:47 GMT+01:00, Tijmen Stam a écrit : >On 03-11-16 11:55, Yves wrote: >> @Tijmen

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/5/16 10:58 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > interesting case, because it is an example that "official languages" > can be set on sub-country level as well (many states have defined > English as their official language). > It could also be argued that English is the defacto official language

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-05 17:29 GMT+01:00 Richard Welty : > (it also > makes admin boundaries nasty - are they separate nations or aren't they?) > they're likely not https://twitter.com/ziyatong/status/794325844751765504 https://twitter.com/ziyatong/status/794280881418620928 ___

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Aun Johnsen
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 14:37, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > > Dave F wrote: >> What's the difference between 'de facto' & official? > > Martin beat me to it, but let me add links for reference, definition > and examples. > > from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_language >> An

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-05 17:49 GMT+01:00 Aun Johnsen : > Some municipalities have a significant Samii population speaking their > Samii dialect, The defacto-languages-tag would likely need some threshold to make sense, or any 2 strangers living temporary in an area would add another language to it and we'd e

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Warin
On 06-Nov-16 03:49 AM, Aun Johnsen wrote: On Nov 5, 2016, at 14:37, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Dave F wrote: What's the difference between 'de facto' & official? Martin beat me to it, but let me add links for reference, definition and examples. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-05 Thread Warin
On 06-Nov-16 02:42 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote: On 03-11-16 11:55, Yves wrote: @Tijmen, IMHO there is very little chance to convince people to change the way we tag highways because of buses using them or not. Yves This saddens me, because I don't propose to "change the way of tagging", but to "for

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Kevin Kenny
This is kind of straying, but 'dependent nations' are a case that is not well handled at all. There are a number of cases (e.g. most Native American reservations) where all parties agree on the boundaries - at least of the current state of control, if not the 'rightful' borders, but most emphatical

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Aun Johnsen
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 20:09, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > > This is kind of straying, but 'dependent nations' are a case that is not > well handled at all. There are a number of cases (e.g. most Native American > reservations) where all parties agree on the boundaries - at least of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread Aun Johnsen
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 20:09, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > > The defacto-languages-tag would likely need some threshold to make sense, > or any 2 strangers living temporary in an area would add another language > to it and we'd end up with most of all existing languages spoken "de fac

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-05 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:42:47 +0100 Tijmen Stam wrote: > On 03-11-16 11:55, Yves wrote: > > @Tijmen, IMHO there is very little chance to convince people to > > change the way we tag highways because of buses using them or not. > > Yves > > This saddens me, because I don't propose to "change the