Re: [Tagging] route/forward/backward members in all types of routes

2018-01-11 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: > This thread is getting quite long. To recap, the problem is that if your > PTv2 route consists of only one way there is no way to tell in which > direction it runs without providing more information. I apologized somewhere in the middle o

Re: [Tagging] route/forward/backward members in all types of routes

2018-01-11 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Fernando Trebien wrote: > That's true. It works in my case, but there might be a rare real > scenario (such as in those hail and ride services) where this would > not be the case. In such scenario, applications might not be able to > figure out in which direction t

Re: [Tagging] route/forward/backward members in all types of routes

2018-01-11 Thread Jo
When traveling over road infrastructure, it's extremely unlikely that a PT route would go over a single way. With rail infrastructure the probability is a little bit higher, but those don't have hail and ride. So I don't think it's really an issue. How are we going to jump start the hail_and_ride

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Marc Gemis
> amenity=drinking_water and amenity=water_point these are synonyms used > interchangeably for drinking and non-drinking water I wonder why you think that amenity=drinking_water is used to map non-drinking water. AFAIK it should be used for small installations that offer drinking water, like the o

[Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Cez jod
" I wonder why you think that amenity=drinking_water is used to map non-drinking water. " Hi Marc! Thank you for the right note. Shah and mat:) You're right here I made a big mistake. I was slightly misled by the definition on the wiki drink_water=yes/no in fact it does not exist. There is no dri

[Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Cez jod
Should be. There no exist non-drinking water:) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread José G Moya Y .
I mark "amenity=drinking_water" only when the water is subject to microbiological analysis. If it isn't, I mark it as either "fountain", "spring" or "watering place". It's up to "clients" (apps and people who uses the database) to decide whether they'll drink from legal water taps only or they'll

[Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Cez jod
"AFAIK it should be used for small installations that offer drinking water, like the one in https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/LScjKmwn0QPn5JQ-ROPgdw"; https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/filipc?focus=photo&pKey=AU3uOBwfLRIZQRzhKL5P1Q&lat=51.1835452163&lng=4.40741909672&z=7.474227099230923&x=

[Tagging] (no subject)

2018-01-11 Thread Cez jod
"Do you think I should explicitly mark as "drinking_water=no" the streams, springs and pits known to be poisonous? They use to have a sign telling it." drinking_water=no/yes there are misleading and should not be used in my opinion. you have tags like: drinking_water:legal=yes drinking_water:lega

[Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Cez jod
"Do you think I should explicitly mark as "drinking_water=no" the streams, springs and pits known to be poisonous? They use to have a sign telling it." drinking_water=no/yes there are misleading and should not be used in my opinion. you have tags like: drinking_water:legal=yes drinking_water:lega

[Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Cez jod
"Do you think I should explicitly mark as "drinking_water=no" the streams, springs and pits known to be poisonous? They use to have a sign telling it." We are talking here about official public water collection points. In rivers and streams, the quality of water often changes a lot(from hour to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposals - RFC for multiple features - Education Reform - Magnetic Levitation Trains

2018-01-11 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
education=sports for academically oriented sports schools, education=cram_school otherwise. education=driving also for boat, train and aero driving schools. Advanced levels of those non-road driving schools(e.g. ADR training, multi-engine plane driving) go to education=specialty. 2017-09-18 0:22 G

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Jan 2018, at 15:14, Cez jod wrote: > > "Do you think I should explicitly mark as "drinking_water=no" the streams, > springs and pits known to be poisonous? They use to have a sign telling it." > drinking_water=no/yes there are misleading and should not be used in m

[Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Cez jod
I noticed that tagging without drinking_water=no/yes can have one weakness if the water is contaminated permanently with metal salts of heavy metals and other chemical compounds poisonous. Maybe can solve this problem using hazard=* e.g.? natural=spring / amenity=drinking_water drinking_water:legal

[Tagging] route role on cycle routes

2018-01-11 Thread Fernando Trebien
Iterating on the previous related discussion [1], I've noticed that, though the main article on route relations [2] claims that the route role can be used, the article on cycle routes [3] seems to suggest that such role should not be used. JOSM issues a warning if it is used, and most routes I'm se

Re: [Tagging] route role on cycle routes

2018-01-11 Thread Fernando Trebien
The validator also issues a warning when using the link role on cycle routes. The role is defined on the main article [2] but not mentioned on the more specific article [3]. On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Fernando Trebien wrote: > Iterating on the previous related discussion [1], I've noticed t

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Jan 2018, at 14:26, Cez jod wrote: > > Should be used if the water has been tested: > drinking_water:legal=yes > drinking_water:legal=no this tag is mostly used with no, but it isn’t generally used, there are only very few of it: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Jan 2018, at 14:26, Cez jod wrote: > > The wiki should be removed drinking_water=yes/no is excessive and misleading. I don’t know to which page you refer to for removing the tag, but it is generally used and seems to be the standard method: https://taginfo.openst

Re: [Tagging] route role on cycle routes

2018-01-11 Thread Jo
I fail to understand what information the route role is supposed to add. I never needed a link role in bicycle or hiking route relations, it seems something to use on route=road relations. Polyglot 2018-01-11 19:35 GMT+01:00 Fernando Trebien : > The validator also issues a warning when using t

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Warin
On 12-Jan-18 03:25 AM, Cez jod wrote: I noticed that tagging without drinking_water=no/yes can have one weakness if the water is contaminated permanently with metal salts of heavy metals and other chemical compounds poisonous. Maybe can solve this problem using hazard=* e.g.? natural=spring /

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Warin
On 12-Jan-18 02:59 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 11. Jan 2018, at 15:14, Cez jod wrote: "Do you think I should explicitly mark as "drinking_water=no" the streams, springs and pits known to be poisonous? They use to have a sign telling it." drinking_water=no/yes there

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Selfish Seahorse
On 10 January 2018 at 10:21, Marc Gemis wrote: > Seems we are repeating ourselves once again: > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2012-July/010809.html > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-November/019998.html In order to avoid repeating ourselves again in a

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Jan 2018, at 22:14, Selfish Seahorse wrote: > > In order to avoid repeating ourselves again in a year: should I add a > note to the wiki page of `amenity=drinking_water` that this tag is > discouraged? I’m all for tagging details, and if someone wants to add man_ma

Re: [Tagging] route role on cycle routes

2018-01-11 Thread Fernando Trebien
Then is there any type of route this role adds anything to? On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Jo wrote: > I fail to understand what information the route role is supposed to add. > > I never needed a link role in bicycle or hiking route relations, it seems > something to use on route=road relatio

[Tagging] area=yes on object without kind

2018-01-11 Thread OSMDoudou
Hello, Osmose is complaining an area is mapped but not further specified: [1] and [2] Here is how the place looks like: [3] I was thinking it's a side walk, but they're not to be mapped as area [4] and the place doesn't really look like a square or plaza [5] nor like a parking. How would you ta

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on object without kind

2018-01-11 Thread marc marc
Le 12. 01. 18 à 00:05, OSMDoudou a écrit : > How would you tag it ? > [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/223853253 > [3] https://goo.gl/maps/yhA3rx2WVhM2 landcover=gravel ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on object without kind

2018-01-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
If you go a bit further up the Street, which changes to a different view (from Oct 2014 to July 2017), it looks like it may be a car park? https://www.google.be/maps/@50.4535258,3.928354,3a,51.9y,155.23h,84.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ5cOI_Z-Dre0c2Tjp5k5jQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 The silver car is certai

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on object without kind

2018-01-11 Thread Kevin Kenny
There are traffic signs facing the area, and parking bumpers on it; is it not a gravel-surfaced parking field? On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > If you go a bit further up the Street, which changes to a different view > (from Oct 2014 to July 2017), it looks like it ma

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on object without kind

2018-01-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 12 January 2018 at 09:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > If you go a bit further up the Street, which changes to a different view > (from Oct 2014 to July 2017), it looks like it may be a car park? > > https://www.google.be/maps/@50.4535258,3.928354,3a,51.9y, > 155.23h,84.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s

Re: [Tagging] route role on cycle routes

2018-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Jo wrote: > I fail to understand what information the route role is supposed to add. > Identify "on/off ramp" connections on cycleways and multi-use paths that have a "bicycle superhighway" configuration. > I never needed a link role in bicycle or hiking route

[Tagging] Hail and ride proposal

2018-01-11 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 11/1/18 21:23, Jo wrote: How are we going to jump start the hail_and_ride voting process? I think the proposal needs a bit of work before it goes to a vote: 1. The definition from Wikipedia needs to go as it doesn't add any value and also defines the case where you have to signal the dr

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

2018-01-11 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 11.01.2018 o 22:45, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: On 11. Jan 2018, at 22:14, Selfish Seahorse wrote: In order to avoid repeating ourselves again in a year: should I add a note to the wiki page of `amenity=drinking_water` that this tag is discouraged? Thanks, I support this idea. If the d

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on object without kind

2018-01-11 Thread Marc Gemis
is there street view imagery ? do you have local knowledge ? If not, you might consider not fixing it. Yes it will be a useless polygon in the database, but isn't that better than changing it e.g. to a parking lot while it is a private property ? just my .5 cents m. On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:0

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on object without kind

2018-01-11 Thread Jo
It definitely doesn't look like a public parking lot. It would be good if someone local could resurvey if the shop is still in that house. Jo 2018-01-12 5:19 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : > is there street view imagery ? do you have local knowledge ? > > If not, you might consider not fixing it. Yes it