Re: [Tagging] Underground Mall entrances?

Am 02.06.2019 um 07:37 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg: > Underground malls are often mapped with location=underground and > layer=-1 and more negative values can be used for the underground > levels of features within the mall. layer is a rendering hint and only indicates the position relative to over

[Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

As a reader of this list I'm slightly overwhelmed by it right now. Besides the longish off topic discussions that should have been held somewhere else, we've had a massive increase in the number of proposals and comments on these. As these typically will require looking at the proposal, potentiall

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

Who's going to keep the tally? Maybe we need an actual tool to help with this (I'm not proposing to write one or figure what could be used for doing so). But what if the 4 proposals are reached? Or someone feels the need to post 40 comments during a month? How do we stop the flood? Polyglot On Su

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

I'm suggesting that everybody is grown up enough to self limit themselves. Outside of that, when in doubt a quick look at the months archive is all that is really needed. Simon Am 2. Juni 2019 11:11:36 MESZ schrieb Jo : >Who's going to keep the tally? Maybe we need an actual tool to help >with

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

Hi, On 6/2/19 10:47, Simon Poole wrote: > In the interest of keeping the list at least half usable, I would > suggest that we all, starting now, voluntarily submit to: > > - not posting more than 30 times per month (the 30 comes from the WMF > mailing lists, where it seems to work quite well) >

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

sent from a phone > On 2. Jun 2019, at 10:47, Simon Poole wrote: > > In the interest of keeping the list at least half usable, I would > suggest that we all, starting now, voluntarily submit to: > > - not posting more than 30 times per month (the 30 comes from the WMF > mailing lists, where i

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

On 02/06/2019 10:11, Jo wrote: Who's going to keep the tally? Maybe we need an actual tool to help with this (I'm not proposing to write one or figure what could be used for doing so). Create a shell script called something like "taglistpeople.sh" containing: lynx -width=1024 --dump "https:/

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

On Sunday 02 June 2019, Simon Poole wrote: > > - not posting more than 30 times per month (the 30 comes from the WMF > mailing lists, where it seems to work quite well) > > - not more than one proposal per person per month > > - not more than 4 new proposals per month in total Note there have been

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

We should also remember ourselves that we want to talk objectively about topics as often as possible and avoiding debates that are driving too emotional. Sure, everyone is free to express his/her subjective view but it shouldn't enlarge to a emotional debate like in thread https://lists.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Underground Mall entrances?

> layer is a rendering hint and only indicates the position relative to > over (or under) laying objects. > level is the tag used to indicate position within/relative to a > buildings floors. Thank you for the correction: level is the right tag. > If you want to go to this level of detail, you sh

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

Hi, On 6/2/19 13:17, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Note there have been in the past opinions that documenting a new tag > without creating a proposal is not desirable That is also my opinion, however, I don't see anything wrong with someone just "trying out" a tag in the "any tags you like" spirit

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 09:49, Simon Poole wrote: > > In the interest of keeping the list at least half usable, I would > suggest that we all, starting now, voluntarily submit to: > [...] I don't doubt your frustration or your good intentions, but it seems possible that this thread will generate

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 13:39, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > On 6/2/19 13:17, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > Note there have been in the past opinions that documenting a new tag > > without creating a proposal is not desirable > > That is also my opinion, however, I don't see anything wrong with > someone

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

Am 02.06.2019 um 14:40 schrieb Paul Allen: > On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 09:49, Simon Poole > wrote: > > > In the interest of keeping the list at least half usable, I would > suggest that we all, starting now, voluntarily submit to: > > > [...] > > I don't doubt your frus

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 14:17, Simon Poole wrote: Am 02.06.2019 um 14:40 schrieb Paul Allen: > > > As I already said, I understand your frustration. > > No, obviously you don't. > Really? You looked inside my head and determined that I do not understand your frustration. And here I was thinking t

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

Am 02.06.2019 um 15:41 schrieb Paul Allen: > On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 14:17, Simon Poole > wrote: > > Am 02.06.2019 um 14:40 schrieb Paul Allen: >> >> As I already said, I understand your frustration.  > > No, obviously you don't. > > > Really?  You looked inside m

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

I've just checked the history, and as far as I can tell, there has been a grand total of just 15 proposals put to voting since the beginning of the year (5 months, so 3 per month on avg.) Also, even with all the noise, there have been only about 28 messages per day on avg, which is less then mo

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

Am 02.06.2019 um 17:36 schrieb osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au: > I've just checked the history, and as far as I can tell, there has been a > grand total of just 15 proposals put to voting since the beginning of the > year (5 months, so 3 per month on avg.) There were ~16 new proposals last m

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

Le 02.06.19 à 10:47, Simon Poole a écrit : > I would suggest that we all, starting now, voluntarily submit to: I will add the suggestion of a useful quoting. a 4-sheet reply where you have to find in it the only line that is not a quote, it's indigestible, a waste of time and clarity Le 02.06.19

Re: [Tagging] Underground Mall entrances?

sent from a phone On 2. Jun 2019, at 14:33, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> If you want to go to this level of detail, you should be mapping the > structure that the door is in too. > > I'm thinking of underground malls in Singapore which are accessed from > escalators and stairs in the sidewalk o

Re: [Tagging] Use of tags land_area=administrative and type=land_area?

sent from a phone > On 2. Jun 2019, at 02:29, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > The tag type=land_area is used on only 187 relations, although it has > been mentioned on the Relation:boundary page for years. Perhaps it is > only being used for admin_level=2 borders? > > Is this tag being used by an

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

Maybe we don't hold discussions on the list, but only have them on the discussion page of the proposal? Post to the list to say: Title: Proposal re I've come up with a proposal for Link: y Possibly include a brief synopsis of the proposa

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

Yes it would work and I would highly appreciate it because it's easier for me to maintain a discussion page than a discussion on a mailing list. A discussion page gives me more control of the discussion itself which is needed for moderating.CheersSören alias Valor Naram Original Message ---

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

(not read the whole thread as there are far too many from you, Simon.) What is WMF ? When you say "not posting more than 30 times per month" do you mean thread starts or are you including responses? Never understood the criticism of "noise" - if you don't like it, ignore it. These are foru

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

On 02/06/19 20:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 6/2/19 10:47, Simon Poole wrote: In the interest of keeping the list at least half usable, I would suggest that we all, starting now, voluntarily submit to: - not posting more than 30 times per month (the 30 comes from the WMF mailing lists, where

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

in your email program of choice, sort anything with the tagging address in it into a separate folder. you can also thread your email and follow what you are interested in / have valid input in. > > horse mounting blocks I can safely ignore horse mounting blocks until voting because I have

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

>> longish off topic discussions You can not get context nor understand the usage situations in other regions without this. If you want to tag just England, then the tags definitions will match everyone’s expectations. Trying to map Africa, SE asia, and America with the same tags is virtual