Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-01 Thread Clifford Snow
When I lived in a suburb of Minneapolis, we had this bridge that everyone graffitied. Some of it was typical trash, but others were works of art, including Prince on a motorcycle. About the same time out came Prince's album, Graffiti Bridge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_Bridge_(album)

[Tagging] Open-air stage

2020-07-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Trying to tag this outdoor stage: https://hota.com.au/hota-precinct/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-28.00213/153.41696 (Best image is off Maxar Premium if it doesn't come through?) The photo is of the outdoor stage (the actual stage itself is behind the closed doors), with a roof over

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-01 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 7/1/20 18:03, António Madeira wrote: > What is the criteria to tag a graffiti? > Since there's no wiki for this type of artwork, the only information > that exists is "A notable graffiti work", here: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:artwork_type > > So, what is a notable graffiti? A

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-01 Thread António Madeira
Well, depends on what you consider a mural to be. The distinction between a mural and a graffiti should also be better defined. A mural can be any painting or artwork apllied on a wall, indoors or outdoors. I would say that an outdoor mural is always a graffiti if it is painted. Às 21:21 de

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-01 Thread António Madeira
Yes, these are the two main issues regarding this tag: subjectiveness and permanence. Maybe a wiki could help and clarify what is a "notable" one. This question arose in the Portuguese Telegram channel, where someone was tagging pokemon paintings he himself did around his city. Some of them are

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 01:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > it’s a qualifier that is highly subjective as noted by Paul. The criterion > is *you*. If you believe it should be mapped, then do it. > > Add an image= tag if you like, and if you are going to add further detail > And it's also, like

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 01:18, Paul Allen wrote: > > How would you tag your example? It doesn't really seem a good fit for > any tag we have. I don’t know the specific place, but typically I would tag amenity=fast_food cuisine=kebap It also says “pizza” but from looking at

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 01:05, António Madeira wrote: > > What is the criteria to tag a graffiti? > Since there's no wiki for this type of artwork, the only information > that exists is "A notable graffiti work", here: it’s a qualifier that is highly subjective as noted by

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread bkil
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 1:18 AM Paul Allen wrote: > I can't let Britain down in the bizarre food vendors contest. A butcher near > me sells various types of raw meat (obviously). There are also racks > outside on the pavement: a rack of fruit and a rack of vegetables. I was > informed a few

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 00:05, António Madeira wrote: > > So, what is a notable graffiti? A signed one? A big one? An authorized one? > Notable graffiti is graffiti that people take note of. It's as simple as that. It's subjective. Do you think it ought to be mapped, for whatever reason? Then

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread bkil
Funny that you mention. I've just read the Hungarian interpretation of a legal advisor regarding what counts as seating. They were differentiating between the sit down amenity kind and the takeaway-only shop kind of cukrászda from a tax perspective. According to them, in order for a _service_ to

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: > > I cannot deny the possibility, but I have never seen a takeaway > kebab shop with seats for queuing customers. > > > typical configuration in such places around here is a board (“table”)

[Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-01 Thread António Madeira
What is the criteria to tag a graffiti? Since there's no wiki for this type of artwork, the only information that exists is "A notable graffiti work", here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:artwork_type So, what is a notable graffiti? A signed one? A big one? An authorized one? There are

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: > I cannot deny the possibility, but I have never seen a takeaway > kebab shop with seats for queuing customers. typical configuration in such places around here is a board (“table”) attached to the wall and bar stools. You

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:21, bkil wrote: > Again, I still don't have enough information about your "takeaway" > places, but if you are not satisfied with takeaway=only + capacity=0, > I'm not that bothered about fixing it. I was putting it forward as an example of the way we tag

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:21, bkil wrote: > > I can see someone started experimented with > amenity=restaurant + restaurant=diner > > And: > amenity=fast_food + fast_food=van/truck/street_kitchen to keep this straight, these are long tail values, 77% of all fast_food values

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: takeaway oriented kebab place may still have one or two seats > (either for waiting customers or maybe for a legal reasons) > that are extremely rarely used > I cannot deny the possibility, but I have

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread bkil
Again, I still don't have enough information about your "takeaway" places, but if you are not satisfied with takeaway=only + capacity=0, could it be also solved via subtagging? I can see someone started experimented with amenity=restaurant + restaurant=diner And: amenity=fast_food +

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jul 1, 2020, 23:30 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 22:10, Jarek Piórkowski <> ja...@piorkowski.ca> > wrote: > >> >> Yeah, but we're being told that British takeaways are very different >> from other casual food places that have seating >> > > A takeaway doesn't have seating.  >

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 22:10, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > Yeah, but we're being told that British takeaways are very different > from other casual food places that have seating A takeaway doesn't have seating. and the provision of seating is of key interest to Paul. > Yep. If you're on foot

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 21:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:29, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > Few people would want to stand > > in a queue while raw food is cooked for them. > > You have been writing a lot about cooking raw food, When talking of cafes, yes. Especially

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 16:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:51, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> Do we want to introduce new tags for gastronomical service places? If >> yes, so far takeaway has one of the clearer definitions I've seen, so >> we could start there. > > we already

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 13:34, Paul Allen wrote: > >> Eh, as opposed to retagging coffee shops or McDonald's being feasible? > > Indeed. That was my point. There's a lot that doesn't work well, but it's > too late to fix it with retagging. To give some numbers, wrt McD

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:51, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > Do we want to introduce new tags for gastronomical service places? If > yes, so far takeaway has one of the clearer definitions I've seen, so > we could start there. we already have the quite established tag

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:29, Paul Allen wrote: > > Few people would want to stand > in a queue while raw food is cooked for them. You have been writing a lot about cooking raw food, but regular restaurants also use a lot of ingredients that have been precooked, typically

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 20:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 1. Jul 2020, at 12:55, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > Of > > course, most people in the UK don't know that and just stick up a > > house name or change an existing one without approval. Other > > jurisdictions may not require

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 12:55, Paul Allen wrote: > > Of > course, most people in the UK don't know that and just stick up a > house name or change an existing one without approval. Other > jurisdictions may not require approval. it does not mean we can not recognize the

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 04:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Highly likely these are errors. However it is not impossible that a number > could be used as a house name. can you give an example? By which definition a number written as number can be a „name“? If

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread bkil
>> > Shop=pastry? >> > >> >> Unfortunately we can't use that tag, as the menu of a cukrászda far >> exceeds the definition of what the word "pastry" implies. They usually >> offer many items from the following categories: >> * cakes >> * cookies >> * custards >> * doughnuts >> * frozen desserts >>

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jul 1, 2020, 13:49 by ajt1...@gmail.com: > > On 30/06/2020 14:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> We have 15000 addresses such as addr:housename=3 ( >> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/VBS ) >> >> Is there some chance that any of them is valid? Because it seems to me that >> editors

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 13:54, bkil wrote: > > > It would need guidance in the wiki as to where the line is between a > > coffeehouse (or whatever we call it) and a cafe that isn't a coffeehouse. > > Yes, that should be a good idea before someone submits a grand > unification proposal. > We need

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread bkil
> The only possible downside I see is that it requires more carto code if you > want different icons. But that would be necessary however we did this. > Possibly. But if part of the world already uses amenity=café for places that do not primarily focus on coffee, this icon revision based on

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-01 Thread Andy Townsend
On 30/06/2020 14:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: We have 15000 addresses such as addr:housename=3 ( http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/VBS ) Is there some chance that any of them is valid? Because it seems to me that editors should complain about addr:housename with just numbers. Any? 

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 01:51, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 20:28, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 01:02, Jarek Piórkowski > wrote: > >> Maybe tag them amenity=takeaway > > > > Good idea. Except that value is not officially agreed and isn't > > rendered. Are you

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 03:10, bkil wrote: > So just a quick idea, what do you think if we subtyped amenity=café? > On first thought, sounds good. I reserve the right to change my mind later (it's possible some problem will occur to me), but right now I like it. It means you can map something

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 03:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Highly likely these are errors. However it is not impossible that a number > > could be used as a house name. > > Not impossible. But very unlikely. In the UK, you're meant to get your house name approved by the local

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-01 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi * On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:16:38PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > On 30. Jun 2020, at 15:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > > wrote: > > > > Is there some chance that any of them is valid? > > > IMHO not, these are likely autocompletion bloopers. I’d support