Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread stevea
I agree with Mateusz here: whether to tag a way after the name of a route which includes it (if it didn't have a name=* tag beforehand) isn't a "one size fits all" situation. It's difficult to describe what the right thing to do is in all cases. > On Dec 29, 2022, at 11:18 PM, Mateusz Koniecz

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
This does not apply everywhere, even if applies in some cases. Many trails are minor and their names are not actually names of roads/paths where they lead even if this road/path is nameless. In Poland even for https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C5%82%C3%B3wny_Szlak_Beskidzki it is debatable whether

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Building Hydrant Inlet

2022-12-29 Thread Kyle Hensel
Hi All. Following a recent discussion on the tagging mailing list, I have created a proposal for Building Hydrant Inlets. https://wiki.osm.org/Proposal_features/Building_inlet You can discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page or here. ___ Tagging ma

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread brad
+1 If the only name is the route name I think it makes good sense to put it on the local way too, that's the name of the trail. Brad On 12/29/22 08:59, Zeke Farwell wrote: I've heard the assertion that a way has no name but the route that passes over it does many times.  While this is true in

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a point-of-interest sign

2022-12-29 Thread brad
I think you should check your data.   Looking at USGS topo, that point does look very close to the continental divide. Usually, but I suppose not always,  when you go over the divide you are going over a pass.  This one seems to be fairly flat so perhaps never got named. I don't use mapillary, b

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a point-of-interest sign

2022-12-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29 Dec 2022, at 20:47, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > Did you go for tourism:information_board? Personally I would expect it to be > a form of road sign rather than an information board, which is on the spot > itself and not normally aimed at drivers. I agree with Jez tha

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a point-of-interest sign

2022-12-29 Thread Jez Nicholson
Did you go for tourism:information_board? Personally I would expect it to be a form of road sign rather than an information board, which is on the spot itself and not normally aimed at drivers. On Thu, 29 Dec 2022, 18:55 Volker Schmidt, wrote: > I have now checked on Gmaps: that sign is not on t

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Volker Schmidt
I know this problem from cycle routes. Individual ways that are part of a hiking or cycling route should normally not carry the name of the route. First because in most cases it will be factually wrong, but also such invented names will make it difficult to find ways with genuinly missing names in

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Zeke Farwell
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 1:08 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > So most of the time this would be an error, but you can't be sure without > survey. > I agree on the survey part, but not on the "most of the time" part. Sometimes it's an error, sometimes it's not. How likely it is to be one or the other

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a point-of-interest sign

2022-12-29 Thread Volker Schmidt
I have now checked on Gmaps: that sign is not on the continental divide, but it is announcing the continental divide. About 175m further there is an identical sign on the other side of the road, and facing the opposite direction. Hence there is a pass, but the highest point itself is not marked. I

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Peter Elderson
I have seen some paths which actually had the same name as the hiking trail running over it. Normally this is not the case, the path usually has is own local name or no name at all. So most of the time this would be an error, but you can't be sure without survey.Fr Gr Peter EldersonOp 29 dec. 2022

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Tod Fitch
It makes sense to me that each segment of a long distance walking/hiking route should be looked at individually. It might have no name (uses a section of a driveway), it might have a name of its own (the “San Clemente Beach Trail” near me is part of the long distance “California Coastal Trail”),

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Zeke Farwell
I've heard the assertion that a way has no name but the route that passes over it does many times. While this is true in some cases, in others it is not. Where the primary purpose of the way is not for the route, this does make sense. For example mentioned by Jmapb where the Appalachian trail fo

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a point-of-interest sign

2022-12-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This example should also be mapped as a pass, with a node tagged mountain_pass=yes on the highway, with the elevation On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 2:26 PM Volker Schmidt wrote: > I would like to tag signs that do refer to Points of Interest like this > example

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Jmapb
On 12/29/2022 10:13 AM, Zeke Farwell wrote: Yes, the way name tag should be the most local trail name. However, sometimes there is no local trail name and the long distance route name is the only name.  In this case putting the long distance route name on the ways also makes sense. I've been

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 29/12/2022 15:13, Zeke Farwell wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 9:15 AM Dave F via Tagging wrote: The actual way routes progress along often have their own, different, name. These should be ithe name placed in the way's name tag. Yes, the way name tag should be the most local tra

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Zeke Farwell
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 9:15 AM Dave F via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > The actual way routes progress along often have their own, different, > name. These should be ithe name placed in the way's name tag. > Yes, the way name tag should be the most local trail name. However, s

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 29/12/2022 12:32, Yves via Tagging wrote: The simpliest way to map a long route is to give the same name to every ways it is composed of. The reason route relations were created was because long routes share the /same/ ways. It avoids cluttering up the name & ref tags The actual way route

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Yves via Tagging
The simpliest way to map a long route is to give the same name to every ways it is composed of. Then, in second position, you can also create a relation. Regards, Yves Le 29 décembre 2022 10:47:44 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : >Hi, > >It appears that route name are being a

[Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-29 Thread Warin
Hi, It appears that route name are being applied to track/path names, I believe this comes about due to signs that state the route names and point along the track/path that appear to the name of the track/path. For example Way 228853104 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/228853104#map=15/37.8