Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
12 Nov 2019, 11:47 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > We are (almost) all volunteers, Joseph. It's irritating that this claim is > repeatedly rolled out as an excuse. > You are not entitled to map renderer focusing issues that you consider important. You have no right to demand that other will

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/11/2019 11:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Di., 12. Nov. 2019 um 11:49 Uhr schrieb Dave F via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>>: Is OSM-Carto fit to be promoted as OSM's flagship, de-facto rendering? Dave, I find it extremely unfair to write this explicitly to Joseph,

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 12. Nov. 2019 um 11:49 Uhr schrieb Dave F via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > We are (almost) all volunteers, Joseph. It's irritating that this claim > is repeatedly rolled out as an excuse. > > I'm increasingly disappointed my *voluntary* contributions to the OSM > database are

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-12 Thread Dave F via Tagging
We are (almost) all volunteers, Joseph. It's irritating that this claim is repeatedly rolled out as an excuse. I'm increasingly disappointed my *voluntary* contributions to the OSM database are are not being fairly or accurately being represented by OSM-Carto due to errors in the programming.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 11. Nov. 2019 um 15:22 Uhr schrieb Dave F via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > On 10/11/2019 16:53, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > > So I agree these tags should be kept separate. > > I'm struggling to comprehend how a question I deliberately kept simple > at just one sentence long can

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
11 Nov 2019, 16:05 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > Le 11.11.19 à 15:44, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > >> decide which tags under `emergency=` should be treated as polygons >> when mapped as closed ways >> > > is this information not already present on the wiki pages? for example >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-11 Thread marc marc
Le 11.11.19 à 15:44, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > decide which tags under `emergency=` should be treated as polygons > when mapped as closed ways is this information not already present on the wiki pages? for example https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aemergency%3Dambulance_station

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
DaveF, reloading the database could be done more often, but it does take time and server resources, and everyone is a volunteer. People can help by donating money to the OSMF to help run the servers, or donating time to help improve the openstreetmap.org website infrastructure. At

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-11 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 14:22, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > > As emergency=ambulance_station appears to be a later invention, was > there a valid reason fire_station did follow suit? > Presumably because the icon looks like a firepit. Or maybe an eternal flame. Or maybe a flammable chemical

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-11 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 11/11/2019 02:20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: If this is about Openstreetmap-carto, there is now an open issue: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3968 - note that rendering area features in the "emergency=" key, like this, would require reloading the database on the

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-11 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 10/11/2019 16:53, Greg Troxel wrote: So I agree these tags should be kept separate. I'm struggling to comprehend how a question I deliberately kept simple at just one sentence long can cause so much misinterpretation. As for emergency= and amenity=, that's a historical artifact and

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
If this is about Openstreetmap-carto, there is now an open issue: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3968 - note that rendering area features in the "emergency=" key, like this, would require reloading the database on the openstreetmap.org servers. - Joseph Eisenberg On

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
10 Nov 2019, 22:23 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > Though I have often wondered why amenity=police & amenity=fire_station both > render, but emergency=ambulance_station doesn't? > It is offtopic for tagging mailing list, especially as it depends on map. The best that you can do is to check issue

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 02:54, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > On 10.11.19 13:51, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > > >> Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially > >> synonymous entities? > > So I agree these tags should be kept separate. I don't think Dave was suggesting that they be

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Nov 2019, at 14:16, Jan Michel wrote: > > > E.g. in Germany they are mostly combined in the larger cities, but usually > separated in smaller towns. That's related to having professional fire > fighters and stations that are always manned compared to volunteers

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-10 Thread Greg Troxel
Jan Michel writes: > On 10.11.19 13:51, Dave F via Tagging wrote: >> Hi >> >> Simple question (which I presume has been previously discussed) : >> >> Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially >> synonymous entities? > > One of them takes care to put out fires, the other

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 14:14 +0100, Jan Michel wrote: > On 10.11.19 13:51, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > > Hi > > > > Simple question (which I presume has been previously discussed) : > > > > Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially > > synonymous > > entities? > > One of them

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-10 Thread Jan Michel
On 10.11.19 13:51, Dave F via Tagging wrote: Hi Simple question (which I presume has been previously discussed) : Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially synonymous entities? One of them takes care to put out fires, the other transports you to hospital. There are

[Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-10 Thread Dave F via Tagging
Hi Simple question (which I presume has been previously discussed) : Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially synonymous entities? DaveF ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Francesco Ansanelli
Il dom 3 nov 2019, 15:49 Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: > what about specific emergency departments, e.g. a gynecological hospital > which has an emergency department for gynecological emergencies only? > How about to mention it as healthcare speciality? healthcare:speciality

Re: [Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
what about specific emergency departments, e.g. a gynecological hospital which has an emergency department for gynecological emergencies only? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Francesco Ansanelli
Il dom 3 nov 2019, 11:19 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > On 03/11/19 18:51, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: > > Hello list, > > I don't know is anybody wrote about this before, but I have noticed that > the emergency tag changes meaning on hospitals and the result is weird: > emergency tag

Re: [Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Warin
On 03/11/19 18:51, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: Hello list, I don't know is anybody wrote about this before, but I have noticed that the emergency tag changes meaning on hospitals and the result is weird: emergency tag indicate whether an emergency vehicle has access to the way/point, but on

Re: [Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Francesco Ansanelli
Il dom 3 nov 2019, 10:22 Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: > > > sent from a phone > > Il giorno 3 nov 2019, alle ore 09:13, Jo ha scritto: > > the confusion is that emergency may refer to rooms, but usually in > OpenStreetMap it refers to access for emergency vehicles. > > > > actually emergency

Re: [Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 3 nov 2019, alle ore 09:13, Jo ha scritto: > > the confusion is that emergency may refer to rooms, but usually in > OpenStreetMap it refers to access for emergency vehicles. actually emergency is a well defined key for emergency vehicle access AND for

Re: [Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Jo
the confusion is that emergency may refer to rooms, but usually in OpenStreetMap it refers to access for emergency vehicles. On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:58 AM Andrew Errington wrote: > We have a local hospital. It is tiny and has no emergency room. > > Andrew > > On 03/11/2019, Francesco Ansanelli

Re: [Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Francesco Ansanelli
Hi Andrew, Then you have to put emergency=no according to the wiki... Let me know if your editor implement it right Francesco Il dom 3 nov 2019, 08:58 Andrew Errington ha scritto: > We have a local hospital. It is tiny and has no emergency room. > > Andrew > > On 03/11/2019, Francesco

Re: [Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Andrew Errington
We have a local hospital. It is tiny and has no emergency room. Andrew On 03/11/2019, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: > Hello list, > > I don't know is anybody wrote about this before, but I have noticed that > the emergency tag changes meaning on hospitals and the result is weird: > emergency tag

[Tagging] emergency=no on hospitals is ambiguous

2019-11-03 Thread Francesco Ansanelli
Hello list, I don't know is anybody wrote about this before, but I have noticed that the emergency tag changes meaning on hospitals and the result is weird: emergency tag indicate whether an emergency vehicle has access to the way/point, but on hospitals his value is about emergency rooms. I

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-07 Thread Sergio Manzi
+1! On 2019-03-07 19:02, Richard Welty wrote: > i think OSM should stick to mapping what is legal. first responders > frequentlhy have permission to ignore the restrictions that apply > to normal motorists, but they usually have relevant policies that > probably don't belong in OSM proper and

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-07 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/7/19 12:49 PM, OSMDoudou wrote: > I would expect the police would first re-organize the scene to revert > circulation. > >   > > If the house on fire is just a few meters in the opposite one-way > direction, they might go directly, but technically they would break the > law, if I read the

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-07 Thread OSMDoudou
, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law Am Mi., 6. März 2019 um 14:16 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com> >: On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:52 AM OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com <mailto:19b350d2-b1

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-07 Thread Tony Shield
Fire fighting foam needs to be mixed with water. On 07/03/2019 14:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 7. Mar 2019, at 14:39, Richard Welty wrote: there are other examples. for example, the Chief of the Port Henry department in upstate NY oversees a district that is adjacent

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Mar 2019, at 14:39, Richard Welty wrote: > > there are other examples. for example, the Chief of the Port > Henry department in upstate NY oversees a district that > is adjacent to Lake Champlaign, so you would think he has > a big enough water source. but the RR

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-07 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/6/19 5:17 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 16:29, Richard Welty wrote: >> i spent some time looking at a project to build OSM based >> emergency maps. i concluded we needed to do layers of >> information, some of which were appropriate to host in >> OSM and others which

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-06 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 16:29, Richard Welty wrote: > i spent some time looking at a project to build OSM based > emergency maps. i concluded we needed to do layers of > information, some of which were appropriate to host in > OSM and others which were not. there would have been a > program to

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-06 Thread Richard Welty
> Am Mi., 6. März 2019 um 14:16 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis > mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com>>: > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:52 AM OSMDoudou > <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com > > wrote: > > If there was an explosion due

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-06 Thread Paul Johnson
There's quite a few bridges that are *definitely* access=no, emergency=no in my area, but are *not* disused. Might not be physically possible to get a motor vehicle onto the span and definitely not legal to use the span at all, but, not all people care about rules. On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 3:43 AM

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 6. März 2019 um 14:16 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis : > On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:52 AM OSMDoudou > <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > > If there was an explosion due to a gas leak and the road is blocked by > debris, I guess they can go in the opposite direction of a

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:52 AM OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > > > AFAIK emergency vehicles are exempt from limitations of traffic law > > (including oneway roads, forbidden access roads, speed limits, red lights, > > forbidden turns) > > Belgian law requires

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-02 Thread OSMDoudou
> AFAIK emergency vehicles are exempt from limitations of traffic law > (including oneway roads, forbidden access roads, speed limits, red lights, > forbidden turns) Belgian law requires they stop at traffic lights and exercise caution. Not only exercise caution, but explicitly stop. Also,

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 2, 2019, 10:12 AM by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > Boys, this will vary by legal jurisdiction. These comments are valueless > unless placed in context. > Here in NL and as far as I know also in the UK, blue lights and sirens in > your mirror are also no excuse for your own driving by the

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
10 Dec 2018, 00:33 by ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com > That is an unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky goal.  As long as mappers are free to > use any tag they like, and OSM is a mishmash of tags, how could anyone rely > on it for anything very important? > In cases where no better data is available. For

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-10 Thread Sergio Manzi
Just a short note to let you know that in the Italian mailing list (talk-it) we recently had the contribution of an ambulance driver who reported how in his zone he uses OSM maps as the best solution availabale. Cheers! Sergio On 2018-12-10 13:06, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-10 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:29 AM Daniel Koć wrote: > > Good question. And the answer is - don't underestimate how big OSM > ecosystem is and don't try to limit how is it really used, because you > would be surprised... > Indeed. Sometimes OSM is better than the alternatives for a particular

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 10.12.2018 o 00:33, EthnicFood IsGreat pisze: > That is an unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky goal.  As long as mappers are > free to use any tag they like, and OSM is a mishmash of tags, how > could anyone rely on it for anything very important? Good question. And the answer is - don't

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Sergio Manzi
I totally agree on that and, with my limits, I too try doing the same... Cheers! Sergio On 2018-12-10 00:32, Warin wrote: > On 10/12/18 10:17, Sergio Manzi wrote: >> >> I know that there are ones who think that every little detail of the world >> should be tagged, but I'm not of that party,

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Warin
On 10/12/18 10:17, Sergio Manzi wrote: I know that there are ones who think that every little detail of the world should be tagged, but I'm not of that party, and I think that I have the same right to express my opinion as they do, and no offense should be taken by neither of the two

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Sergio Manzi
Sorry, but I don't think so: office=control_centre could be the control center for whatever infrastructure (/unless some more specific tag exists in some specific namespace/). *If* (/and it is a big if of which I'd like to say something later/) we want to tag the places where emergency phone

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Warin
On 10/12/18 07:46, Javier Sánchez Portero wrote: I answer inline to Paul and Markus El dom., 9 dic. 2018 a las 15:12, Paul Allen (>) escribió: On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM dktue mailto:em...@daniel-korn.de>> wrote: I would like to propose a tag for

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Markus
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 19:56, dktue wrote: > > By the way: We're currently using amenity=fire_station und > emergency=ambulance_station -- which is confusing in my opinion. That's probably because the tag amenity=fire_station is older than emergency=ambulance_station. (You could double-tag fire

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
I answer inline to Paul and Markus El dom., 9 dic. 2018 a las 15:12, Paul Allen () escribió: > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM dktue wrote: > >> >> I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place >> you reach when you call 112 in Europe). >> > > Why? > > As far as I know,

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread dktue
You're definitely right,     office=control_centre seems to be better suited. Am 09.12.2018 um 20:52 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: Is there some reason to not use office=* like for other offices? Dec 9, 2018, 4:04 PM by em...@daniel-korn.de: Hello, I would like to propose a tag for

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Is there some reason to not use office=* like for other offices? Dec 9, 2018, 4:04 PM by em...@daniel-korn.de: > Hello, > > I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place you > reach when you call 112 in Europe). > > My suggestion would be "emergency=control_centre". >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Because building=ambulance_station is for building build as an ambulance station, no matter what is there now. Dec 9, 2018, 4:58 PM by em...@daniel-korn.de: > But why are we using emergency=ambulance_station and not > building=ambulance_station? > >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 09.12.2018 o 19:54, dktue pisze: > By the way: We're currently using amenity=fire_station und > emergency=ambulance_station -- which is confusing in my opinion. Maybe it would be good to use emergency=police_station scheme (and maybe something else for other police-related objects, like

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread dktue
By the way: We're currently using amenity=fire_station und emergency=ambulance_station -- which is confusing in my opinion. Am 09.12.2018 um 18:12 schrieb Stefano Maffulli: On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 8:16 AM Paul Allen > wrote: Ambulance stations (like fire

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 8:16 AM Paul Allen wrote: > Ambulance stations > (like fire stations) are places where people should be aware that high > speed emergency > vehicles may suddenly appear from. > This is a factor but not the main one for using emergency=fire_station or ambulance. These

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Sergio Manzi
Me too!  :-) But, as others have already pointed out, I'm really unsure if this kind of information is relevant/appropriate here... On 2018-12-09 17:29, Markus wrote: > On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 17:22, dktue wrote: >> I've been convinced that the office-key is a suitable place to put the tag. >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Markus
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 17:22, dktue wrote: > > I've been convinced that the office-key is a suitable place to put the tag. On the other hand, i also understand your logic to put everything emergency-related under the emergency=* key. ;-) ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread dktue
You're definitely right. Good point! I've been convinced that the office-key is a suitable place to put the tag. Am 09.12.2018 um 17:15 schrieb Paul Allen: On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:59 PM dktue > wrote: You're right, indeed. Office would definitely suit better.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:59 PM dktue wrote: > You're right, indeed. Office would definitely suit better. > > But why are we using emergency=ambulance_station and not > building=ambulance_station? > In my experience, people don't come roaring out of houses at 70MPH with sirens blaring and lights

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Sergio Manzi
Knowing where to find an ambulance (/the nearest one.../) is, I think, of more general interest than knowing where emergency calls are handled. About "/amenity/"... please don't get me started on that: I have a profound hate for the term and in the particular case when you need an ambulance, I

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread dktue
You're right! But amenity=ambulance_station could be used. The point I tried to make was: Why are we using the emergency-key in that case at all. Am 09.12.2018 um 17:01 schrieb Sergio Manzi: Maybe because not all (/probably few.../) ambulance stations occupy an entire building? On

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Sergio Manzi
Maybe because not all (/probably few.../) ambulance stations occupy an entire building? On 2018-12-09 16:58, dktue wrote: > But why are we using emergency=ambulance_station and not > building=ambulance_station? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread dktue
You're right, indeed. Office would definitely suit better. But why are we using emergency=ambulance_station and not building=ambulance_station? If we're doing so to make a grouping about emergency-related facilities, then we should go with an emergency-tag. Am 09.12.2018 um 16:50 schrieb

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Markus
office=public-safety_answering_point would probably fit better than emergency=*. (In an emergency it might not help much to know where the public-safety answering point is located.) Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Dec 9, 2018, at 7:11 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM dktue > wrote: > > I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place > you reach when you call 112 in Europe). > > Why? > > As far as I know, these are places

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM dktue wrote: > > I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place > you reach when you call 112 in Europe). > Why? As far as I know, these are places one contacts via telephone. They may be located far from the locality they serve, even

[Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread dktue
Hello, I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place you reach when you call 112 in Europe). My suggestion would be "emergency=control_centre". Cheers, dktue ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Piles of sand could also be used for flood control (eg to fill sandbags) Are there permanent mappable locations for such materials - materials purposefully set aside for a single purpose? I always think of sandbags as a

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
CMF BJ G On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:55 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Good idea. It would be nice if these stockpiles of materials could all be > tagged in a similar way. Piles of sand could also be used for flood control > (eg to fill sandbags), while minds gravel and rocks could be used to repair

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Good idea. It would be nice if these stockpiles of materials could all be tagged in a similar way. Piles of sand could also be used for flood control (eg to fill sandbags), while minds gravel and rocks could be used to repair roads, dikes, and so on. BTW, I believe the British English term is

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-23 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 23, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Anton Klim wrote: > > not levee_repair? Hmm - no one at that location repairs levees. It is a station just to store blocks. I just want it to be unambiguous. Like the difference between car repair and car parking Even then, levee_repair might be good

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-22 Thread Anton Klim
Why not levee_repair? Good to know they have a name and a list 2018-09-22 9:12 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > > > On Sep 21, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Anton Klim wrote: > > Do these have anything to identify them, like a ref? > > > I found a sign cycling today. > > 奥戸防災ステーション > > Okudo (village) "Disaster

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-22 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Anton Klim wrote: > > Do these have anything to identify them, like a ref? I found a sign cycling today. 奥戸防災ステーション Okudo (village) "Disaster prevention station" The "river" is implied - "river disaster prevention station" is a huge mouthful. The

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-21 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Anton Klim wrote: > > Do these have anything to identify them, like a ref I cannot find an official name or ref - but I can see their purpose. The next time I am on a cycling survey, I will take a picture of any small plaques they usually put somewhere on a

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-21 Thread Anton Klim
Do these have anything to identify them, like a ref? 3 words for a key seems like a mouthful to me, maybe emergency=levee_repair/materials. Ant 21.09.2018, в 0:59, John Willis написал(а): > I ran into an interesting thing when mapping my local rivers. > > All of the rivers in my area have

[Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
I ran into an interesting thing when mapping my local rivers. All of the rivers in my area have levees running 100% of their length from the mountains to the coast, there are probably over 1000 linear KM of earthen levees in the Tokyo region alone - 20mx10m levees (or bigger) along the outer

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 13:56, Bryan Housel wrote: > On Jun 23, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > There should also be a separate page for first aid facility, if you're not > busy :-) > > > I still think a staffed facility should be something under `healthcare=*` > - there is

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-23 Thread Bryan Housel
> On Jun 23, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > There should also be a separate page for first aid facility, if you're not > busy :-) I still think a staffed facility should be something under `healthcare=*` - there is lots on that page already. > Mentioned on the lifeguard

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-23 Thread Warin
On 24/06/18 12:32, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 12:00, Bryan Housel > wrote: Anyway I just moved it to `emergency=first_aid_kit` https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfirst_aid_kit

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 12:00, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Anyway I just moved it to `emergency=first_aid_kit` > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfirst_aid_kit > > There should also be a separate page for first aid

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-23 Thread Bryan Housel
> Would you object if I changed the page to emergency=first_aid_kit for > example?? I would not mind at all - `emergency=first_aid_kit` was what I suggested originally. Someone else made that wiki page and I don’t know why they called it that. Anyway I just moved it to

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid

2018-06-23 Thread Warin
On 24/06/18 09:06, Bryan Housel wrote: Err .. proposals can be for anything, including sub tags. There should be more of it. Things like the sub tag 'sales' under motorcycle shops could have been avoided if that had come to the tagging group. I would never waste people’s time by writing a

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid

2018-06-23 Thread marc marc
Hello Bryan, Le 23. 06. 18 à 18:28, Bryan Housel a écrit : > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency=first_aid > > So that’s the tag.  Be glad we accomplished something! You confuse speed and quality. If I read well, only 2 ppl are in favor of first_aid value, all other disagree.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid

2018-06-23 Thread Bryan Housel
> Err .. proposals can be for anything, including sub tags. There should be > more of it. > Things like the sub tag 'sales' under motorcycle shops could have been > avoided if that had come to the tagging group. I would never waste people’s time by writing a proposal for something so simple

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid

2018-06-23 Thread Bryan Housel
> On Jun 23, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > +1, if you want to describe the position of a first aid kit, a sensible tag > seems emergency=first_aid_kid > For a staffed location where you go for first aid, emergency=first_aid seems > ok (I’d rather use something more verbose

[Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-21 Thread Tod Fitch
Graeme Fitzpatrick graemefitz1 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 02:13:47 UTC 2018 > So the photos on >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Warin
On 21/06/18 08:00, Paul Allen wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: There are fist ad kits .. and first aid kits .. I now have a scene playing in my head.  It's Paul Hogan sneering and saying "Call that a first aid

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: There are fist ad kits .. and first aid kits .. > I now have a scene playing in my head. It's Paul Hogan sneering and saying "Call that a first aid kit? Now THIS is a first aid kit." :) Probably useful enough to map so

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Warin
On 21/06/18 05:43, Paul Allen wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Simon Poole > wrote: I'm actually not quite happy with the whole thing as it would seem to range from a potentially staffed first aid facility to what you were looking for, a simple first

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Bryan Housel
Sure, what would help? Calling it a first_aid_kit? so nobody would get it confused with a staffed facility? > On Jun 20, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > > I'm actually not quite happy with the whole thing as it would seem to range > from a potentially staffed first aid facility to

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm , emergency=stop_button

2018-06-20 Thread Bryan Housel
It’s been a week on this also with no further discussion and general consensus that these things are ok. Looking for volunteers to update wiki and cleanup tags for: `emergency=fire_alarm`(existing page at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfire_alarm_box

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > I'm actually not quite happy with the whole thing as it would seem to > range from a potentially staffed first aid facility to what you were > looking for, a simple first aid kit. In practical terms that would be a > rather big difference

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Simon Poole
I'm actually not quite happy with the whole thing as it would seem to range from a potentially staffed first aid facility to what you were looking for, a simple first aid kit. In practical terms that would be a rather big difference that should be reflected in the tagging. Simon Am 20.06.2018

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Bryan Housel
I guess `emergency=first_aid` seems fine (since it aims to replace the barely used `amenity=first_aid`) I agree the page looks like a rough draft, but the infobox looks pretty good. Thank you for volunteering to clean it up! It should probably be a feature that sits on points only (like

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Simon Poole
Not to mention first_aid vs first_aid_kit what it is supposed to be now? Am 20.06.2018 um 19:40 schrieb Simon Poole: > > If I may say so the page seems a bit weird. > > Name on a first aid kit? Draw an area around the shop outline? > > Assuming that are simply C errors, I'll fix things in nobody

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Simon Poole
If I may say so the page seems a bit weird. Name on a first aid kit? Draw an area around the shop outline? Assuming that are simply C errors, I'll fix things in nobody has any objections. Simon Am 20.06.2018 um 19:31 schrieb Bryan Housel: > Just following up after a week - there wasn’t any

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-20 Thread Bryan Housel
Just following up after a week - there wasn’t any significant opposition and it looks like somebody added this page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aemergency%3Dfirst_aid Thank you! I’ll add the preset to iD and we can

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