On 06/07/2011 01:18, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
[off-list]
Well, I'd certainly like to see you try and convince people that the
hyphen in drive-through is actually a diacritic all along.
;-)
[not off-list actually]
And if you click on the hyphen link it clearly declares that it's a
2011/7/6 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
well, wikipedia also says that hyphens are sometimes used as diacritics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic
;-)
[off-list]
Well, I'd certainly like to see you try and convince people that the
hyphen in drive-through is actually a
2011/7/1 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:
just an FYI, one hyphenated tag still on the wiki in use is
amenity=parking, parking=multi-storey
There is many more of them. I propose to use
service=drive-through
to follow our standard recommendations (BE, no abbrevs, underscores
instead of
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:11:17 +0200
From: dieterdre...@gmail.com
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?
There is many more of them. I propose to use
service=drive-through
I agree with this. Maybe we should do one final vote
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote:
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:11:17 +0200
From: dieterdre...@gmail.com
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?
There is many more of them. I propose to use
service
Am 04.07.2011 15:14, schrieb Anthony:
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote:
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:11:17 +0200
From: dieterdre...@gmail.com
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?
There is many more
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Besides, the fact that someone made a mistake back in 2007 is not a
good reason to make a similar mistake today. There's no good reason
to replace hyphens with underscores.
There are plenty of good reasons. The fact that many
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
Our tagging system (at least for formal values) generally uses English
words, but the syntax is not English grammar. Anyone with an good
programming background would immediately recognize how the formal keys
and values
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Besides, the fact that someone made a mistake back in 2007 is not a
good reason to make a similar mistake today. There's no good reason
to replace hyphens with underscores.
There are
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:11 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
There is many more of them. I propose to use
service=drive-through
to follow our standard recommendations (BE, no abbrevs, underscores
instead of spaces, hyphens where they should be).
Funnily we have:
81
How about this:
The Wikipedia article on U-turn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-turn
has no instance of U turn yet we use restriction=no_u_turn and not
restriction=no_u-turn.
11230 instances of restriction=no_u_turn
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/restriction=no_u_turn
0 instances of
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
81 instances of denomination=latter_day_saints
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=latter_day_saints
see below
331 instances of denomination=seventh_day_adventist
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:59 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
81 instances of denomination=latter_day_saints
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=latter_day_saints
see below
331 instances of
btw.: I adjusted the wiki page so that it reflects the original tag
and the potlatch preset (JOSM has no preset for this) as well as the
English spelling.
btw2: The problem is present with drive-in as well.
cheers,
Martin
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2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
I prefer to convert hyphens to underscores so why would I correct this?
and what do you suggest to convert underscores to?
cheers,
Martin
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On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
I prefer to convert hyphens to underscores so why would I correct this?
Only hyphens? Why? Just because you found a few other places where
this was done?
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On 04/07/2011 14:59, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villarsea...@gmail.com:
609 instances of shop=second_hand
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=second_hand
my dictionary tells me that the correct writing is second hand so
second_hand seems correct.
The
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
Our tagging system (at least for formal values) generally uses English
words, but the syntax is not English grammar. Anyone with an good
programming
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
Our tagging system (at least for formal values) generally uses English
words,
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
I don't deny that the underscore can be used in a programming language
to represent a hyphen. I was denying that Anyone with an good
programming background would immediately recognize how the formal keys
and values have been
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
I don't deny that the underscore can be used in a programming language
to represent a hyphen. I was denying that Anyone with an good
programming background would immediately recognize how the formal keys
and values have been
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
Your point actually gives us a reason to use underscores instead of
hyphens. If many people can't remember that two words are correctly
hyphenated (without doing research that a hyphen was correct in the
first place), why should we force correct
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:07 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
Seriously, you seem to have picked on this particular issue and are
now advocating
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Still, it doesn't make sense that some people incorrectly use spaces
instead of hyphens implies that we should convert hyphens into spaces
(which then get converted into underscores). If we're going to
standardize, and one of the
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
[...] and I'd
really like to hear other people's thoughts on this so that we can
gauge if there's a consensus for whatever.
There obviously isn't a consensus, unless you're saying you've changed
your mind.
On 7/4/2011 12:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
OK, I think we have provided ample arguments for both sides. Only
three of us have debated this point in the last few hours and I'd
really like to hear other people's thoughts on this so that we can
gauge if there's a consensus for whatever.
I
just an FYI, one hyphenated tag still on the wiki in use is
amenity=parking, parking=multi-storey
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:41 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
Hello everyone,
Here's some additional context and history to frame the discussion:
In April 2010, I first suggested having another value (namely,
service=drive_thru) for the service=* tag for drive-through lanes
similar to service=parking_aisle:
Thanks for the summary, and for your efforts submitting patches. I'm all for
drive_through; even if drive-through is the more correct term, an
underscore is better for the reasons you've outlined.
Thanks,
-Josh
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:
Hello
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
In April 2010, I first suggested having another value (namely,
service=drive_thru) for the service=* tag for drive-through lanes
similar to service=parking_aisle:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-April/001710.html
Based on
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:41 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
and also that there's
a strong preference for underscores (In fact, there is no hyphenated
key or value in the Map Features page).
I think that this is a misconception. Usually we use the underscore in
keys
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
Yes and no. It's true that we use underscores simply because we
substitute spaces with underscores. But there's actually a precedent
for substituting an underscore for a hyphen and this is the tag for
specifying power sub-stations (created back
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:41 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
Yes and no. It's true that we use underscores simply because we
substitute spaces with underscores. But there's actually a precedent
for substituting an underscore
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:41 AM, SomeoneElse The stats are crocked
due to seav (who appears to be running a bot without
checking with local mappers first) changing them. The last wiki edits were
by seav editing the page to match the version that they favoured. The
tagging@ discussion that
On 29/06/2011 13:22, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
I don't run any bots. I used JXAPI and JOSM.
That's irrelevant; you're still changing data across the planet.
Data consumers still need to know if the data is changing beneath their
feet, though.
Your last post on the tagging list:
On 6/29/2011 8:46 AM, SomeoneElse wrote:
That's irrelevant; you're still changing data across the planet.
I don't see these edits as out of line or unusual. It's not so
different from the dozens of other projects to create more unified tags
so that data consumers have a chance of using
On 29/06/2011 14:19, Mike N wrote:
I don't see these edits as out of line or unusual. It's not so
different from the dozens of other projects to create more unified
tags so that data consumers have a chance of using the right tag.
I suspect the tags you're talking about in other projects
It might be useful to know how many uses of the two variants were present
before Eugene (seav) began changing them. My impression is that both were
being used commonly, and thus data consumers had to accept both spellings,
and so this change isn't such a big deal. Of course it would have been
On 6/29/2011 9:31 AM, Jonathan Bennett wrote:
On 29/06/2011 14:19, Mike N wrote:
I don't see these edits as out of line or unusual. It's not so
different from the dozens of other projects to create more unified
tags so that data consumers have a chance of using the right tag.
I suspect the
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:
I have no ability to say if drive-through or drive_through or
drive-thru is the best one but I always thank people trying to keep
tagging consistent in the database. For instance, we have currently 879
different 'highway' values
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Potlatch2 tags drive-through. The wiki some users who changed this tag
think it's drive_through.
Not that it makes any odds to me which it is, but it might save time for
others who go around changing one to the other.
You want silly retaggings?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/6380219
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On 29/06/2011 14:57, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Potlatch2 tags drive-through. The wiki some users who changed this tag
think it's drive_through.
Not that it makes any odds to me which it is, but it might save time for
others who go
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
My main irritation about things like this is not if it's X or Y, but that we
can't decide whether it's X or Y. It makes the database a jumbled mess that
on at least one occasion has caused a potential user of the info to
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 20:51 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote:
I would not be surprised if there are also some occurrences of
drive-thru or drive_thru. American business people seem to prefer
to write thru rather than through, so much so that some members of
the public probably aren't aware
2011/6/29 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
Well, technically if were mapping whats on the ground, a lot of
restaurant signs say Drive thru. The wiki has a redirect from
drive_thru to drive_through, with 4 occurances of 'drive thru' on the
page, but no explanation about why the tag uses the
On 6/29/2011 12:40 AM, David Murn wrote:
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 20:51 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote:
I would not be surprised if there are also some occurrences of
drive-thru or drive_thru. American business people seem to prefer
to write thru rather than through, so much so that some
On 29/06/2011 05:40, David Murn wrote:
While the latter
is the more traditional spelling, that doesnt mean that anyone should go
around changing 'Dunkin Donuts' to 'Dunkin Doughnuts', if its tagged the
first way.. the same way I believe you shouldnt be changing the 'Drive
thru' signed areas to
All I know is that service=drive-through was rendered already in Mapnik while
service=drive_through is not. Look here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.525952lon=-80.006203zoom=18layers=M I
had originally tagged the Drive Thru's for Taco Bell and Arby's here as
service=drive-through
Potlatch2 tags drive-through. The wiki some users who changed this tag
think it's drive_through.
Not that it makes any odds to me which it is, but it might save time for
others who go around changing one to the other.
Which should it be?
Dave F.
I noticed user seav changed all tags to drive_through, at least in my area,
apparently based on wiki discussions:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seav/edits
Taginfo shows 1553 uses of drive_through, and 275 of drive-through. It
sounds fine to me, so we should probably change Potlatch2, unless
On 29/06/2011 02:24, Josh Doe wrote:
I noticed user seav changed all tags to drive_through, at least in my
area, apparently based on wiki discussions:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seav/edits
Taginfo shows 1553 uses of drive_through, and 275 of drive-through. It
sounds fine to me, so we
SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:
On 29/06/2011 02:24, Josh Doe wrote:
I noticed user seav changed all tags to drive_through, at least in
my
area, apparently based on wiki discussions:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seav/edits
Taginfo shows 1553 uses of
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