new window eyes group created

2017-07-21 Thread Dennis Long via Talk
Hi, I have created a group to discuss windoweyes you can also ask jaws questions if you want. the group info is below. https://groups.io/g/WindowEyesUsers ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not n

Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk
I don't believe the bias is on Sky's part. As much as I do and have despised Freedom Scientific for real reasons for decades I would feel bad if JAWS were terminated. This is because I have a lot of friends who depend on it heavily. And no screen reader is everything to everyone. So none can co

Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk
Who knows. All I know is I'm still using Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Creator and it works fine. Tom On 7/21/2017 9:57 AM, Butch Bussen wrote: I agree totally. All he does is bash bash, all negative. He likely bows to jaws 2 or 3 times a day. I still use window-eyes and so far it works on eve

Re: App mall, was: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk
Great idea. Although I can't imagine anyone doing it. Remember, FS has never hosted scripts for JAWS. That alone shows where users stand. Tom On 7/21/2017 3:05 PM, David via Talk wrote: Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the final point of WE as quickly as possi

Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk
What do you expect them to say? Hi our product sucks; don't buy it." It is your bias which is showing. On 7/21/2017 8:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote: > Not to menschen that the two brothers gloated about the demise of Window-Eyes > on a tech talk presentation. They're JAWS beta testers and they are s

Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Carol and Roger via Talk
If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO

Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Chris G via Talk
I agree with you. It could be done but like you say it would be a massive undertaking, not to mention the cost. Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actually having fun? Visi

RE: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk
Not to menschen that the two brothers gloated about the demise of Window-Eyes on a tech talk presentation. They're JAWS beta testers and they are so bias that they actually delighted in announcing Window-Eyes demise. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.w

Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk
What would be the benefit in thisfor the individuals who would set up your proposed mall? Who would pay for it? On 7/21/2017 3:05 PM, David via Talk wrote: > Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the > final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they wil

Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk
Besides, could you imagine the uproar there would be (among Jaws users) if they discontinued Jaws? Oh the humanity. On 7/21/2017 3:26 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: > No amount of uproar will chnge this course, I'm afraid.--Matthew Chao > > > > On 7/21/2017 12:50 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wr

Re: latest Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk
Same here. Everything works.--Matthew Chao On 7/21/2017 8:32 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: I am having no issues with using WE and the latest version of Thunderbird on a Win 10 system. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those

RE: App mall was Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk
Hi Brenda. Sky here. Having a app mall would be amazing! Unfortunately I don't have the skills to set up one, otherwise I would set up a app mall! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21,

RE: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk
Hi Charles I totally agree with you -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Charles Adkins via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:20 PM To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps Honestly when

App mall was Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Brenda via Talk
The app mall is an excellent idea if there is someone talented and motivated enough to set it up. Back in the day GW encouraged people to make their apps and websites accessible to screen reader users. An app mall would be a good place for them to get info about how to go about it since they

Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk
No amount of uproar will chnge this course, I'm afraid.--Matthew Chao On 7/21/2017 12:50 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Very sad what is happening and has happened. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Tal

Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk
I uninstalled, then reinstalled Window-Eyes, and everything worked as normal. Updating the app or the sets files didn't work, so I did the "brute force" method.--Matthew Chao On 7/21/2017 11:29 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: Later on today, i plan to get on the other

Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Charles Adkins via Talk
Honestly when they decided to discontinue Window-eyes they already said it all. Window-eyes in their minds is gone and the only reason for its existance is to act as a vehicle to gain more users for Jaws. Why is it so hard to find scripts for Jaws? A lot of things are a lot more difficult with J

Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk
Until I have to switch, Window-Eyes it my only choice.--Matthew chao On 7/21/2017 9:57 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: I agree totally. All he does is bash bash, all negative. He likely bows to jaws 2 or 3 times a day. I still use window-eyes and so far it works on everything I use. May

Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread David via Talk
Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will turn down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they still keep the lists running, and App Central up, is that people actually make use of them

Re: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Jeff Weiss via Talk
I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set it up. I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a new Window-eyes list, etc. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: John Far

Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk
I don't know what annoys me more, the people who wine about the elimination of Window-eyes, or the people who yell at the people who wine about Window-eyes. On 7/21/2017 9:57 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > I agree totally. All he does is bash bash, all negative. He likely > bows to jaws 2

Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Chris Skarstad via Talk
That totally makes sense, because all other screenreaders I have on all my computers i.e. JAWS, NVDA both read the list of messages propperly. One might ask why not just use those if it gets the job done? My answer? Old habbits die hard. You like the way a certain screenreader

RE: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk
Very sad what is happening and has happened. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I just wrote to

RE: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread John Farley via Talk
Dear Jeff, Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as it is viable. Would it be possible to place your updated apps on a public folder somewhere where we could still access them? Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Tal

Fw: updated all of my 35 apps

2017-07-21 Thread Jeff Weiss via Talk
I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users

Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Chris Skarstad via Talk
Later on today, i plan to get on the other computer and try re-installing the default set files and apps and things. That can fix things sometimes. I know it's not thunderbird itself, because other screenreaders read the list of messages just fine. Even more odd is the fa

RE: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk
Yes. Gloating in a derisive manner is unacceptable. There are people in the recording industry, who still use reel-to-reel machines, and even DAT tape! The reason is they like the old sound that those machines can give them. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@

Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk
I agree totally. All he does is bash bash, all negative. He likely bows to jaws 2 or 3 times a day. I still use window-eyes and so far it works on everything I use. Maybe he works for VFO. I for one am sad to see development stop on window-eyes, I don't need someone shoving it down my throa

latest Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Don H via Talk
I am having no issues with using WE and the latest version of Thunderbird on a Win 10 system. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership option

Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Ian Westerland via Talk
Window Eyes still does everything I need it to do and probably will quite a way in the future. The issue with reading or not reading emails in ThunderBird is not a Window Eyes issue. It is, or was a script in ThunderBird. Bugs can happen with any program as we all know. Cheers. Ian Wes

Re: Two Jaws Questions

2017-07-21 Thread michaels mail via Talk
Hi press insert f 2 to go to the jaws manager. Then press s till you hear settings center. press space on it then press shift control d to load jaws defaults. Then in the eddid box type manage. Then select the key lable then press the letter you want to find the keys you want to change. After you

Re: Two Jaws Questions

2017-07-21 Thread Carol and Roger via Talk
Although you can not get it to stop speaking the words alt and control, you can find them in the key label section and tab to the edit box and simply erase the names there. As for enter and escape, they do have a mute toggle. I don't remember exactly how to get to the key label setting right

RE: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread CJ &AA MAY via Talk
But in the meantime, it is still a firstclass screenreader which works incredibly well! Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membe

Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

2017-07-21 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk
Dennis, Why do you stay on this list? This answer or something similar is all you post here. Obviously you can't wait for Window-Eyes to die. It's your answer to everything, even when there's a simple real answer that will fix the problem. Haven't you anything better to do? Just curious. Tom