Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Gert Gremmen
That is exactly why i stopped uploading tracks a long time ago. If any query rises about the authenticity of any track I have drawn, the history will show where any justification can be found. Then, I will or will not hand over any of my GPS tracks. It's not because ANYONE including Steve decided

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread nicholas . g . lawrence
> My main problem with mapping areas to the centre line (I'm not really > counting landuse here, its possibly an exception) is the farcical > situations to which it leads. The buildings example is the best: it's > not uncommon at all to have a road abutted on both sides by buildings. > If we map t

Re: [OSM-talk] German Supreme Court uses OpenStreetMap

2008-09-25 Thread simon
> Actually, their black circle and blackened buildings stand out a lot > better than the little icon in your sample, so their choice has > its advantages. Could OSM show a particular place in a way more > comparable to what the Bundesverfassungsgericht did? > It should be noted that they are ser

Re: [OSM-talk] German Supreme Court uses OpenStreetMap

2008-09-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
> They could have used the mlat/mlon like that ;) > http://openstreetmap.org/?mlat=49.01279&mlon=8.40148&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF > for a proper visibility. > Someone who speak german could tell them... ? Actually, their black circle and blackened buildings stand out a lot better than the little ico

[OSM-talk] [Announcement] talk-pt - Portugal

2008-09-25 Thread Mike Collinson
There is now a talk-pt - Portugal specific topics and discussion (in Portuguese) - mailing list available. Thank you to Filipe Roque for initiating and hosting this forum. For details on how to subscribe to this and other country, language, and topic-specific OSM mailing lists, see http://wi

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Thursday 25 September 2008 18:53:00 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > It is not intended to "protect" OSM against infringement at all. It's there > as a statement about the ethos of the project that you don't upload data > from copyright sources. Of course we all know it's possible to c

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mapnik not displaying

2008-09-25 Thread Jon Burgess
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:28 +0100, Chris Morley wrote: > Can somebody help to find out what has gone wrong with my system? > (Windows XP, ZoneAlarm Firewall). > > With Firefox 3 (which is generally working as expected) the Mapnik > tiles at http://www.openstreetmap.org don't display - just the l

Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos 2.2

2008-09-25 Thread Igor Brejc
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Igor, > >> I just want to inform you that a new version of Kosmos is out. For >> those interested, please read my blog post >> (http://igorbrejc.net/openstreetmap/kosmos-22) for more information >> about what's new in this release. > > I'm not a Kosmos user myself but some

Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos 2.2

2008-09-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Igor, > I just want to inform you that a new version of Kosmos is out. For those > interested, please read my blog post > (http://igorbrejc.net/openstreetmap/kosmos-22) for more information > about what's new in this release. I'm not a Kosmos user myself but sometimes I get queries from people

[OSM-talk] [ANN] GPSdisplay v0.1.5

2008-09-25 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw
Hi! This is v0.1.5 of GPSdisplay, downloadable at wget http://lug-owl.de/~jbglaw/gpsdisplay/gpsdisplay-latest.tar.gz git clone http://lug-owl.de/~jbglaw/gpsdisplay.git GPSdisplay is a small application using Mapnik and thus PostGIS to display your current position, north-wise, wi

[OSM-talk] Kosmos 2.2

2008-09-25 Thread Igor Brejc
Hello mappers, I just want to inform you that a new version of Kosmos is out. For those interested, please read my blog post (http://igorbrejc.net/openstreetmap/kosmos-22) for more information about what's new in this release. Best regards, Igor -- http://igorbrejc.net

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Lambert Carsten wrote: >Sent: 25 September 2008 5:36 PM >To: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks > >On Thursday 25 September 2008 18:01:36 Karl wrote: > >> The GPX tracks are intended to show the basis for the ways and other data >> that is in the database, so I think o

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Thursday 25 September 2008 18:01:36 Karl wrote: > The GPX tracks are intended to show the basis for the ways and other data > that is in the database, so I think one motivation for timestamps hearkens > back to a desire to "show your work" to defend the source of OSM data > against potential fu

Re: [OSM-talk] sponsor letter draft

2008-09-25 Thread Gregory
This may help you http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Weekend_mapping_projects/Form_letters I called Garmin to sponsor my sub-project of OSM ( http://www.livingwithdragons.com) and the U.K. marketing manager hadn't heard of OpenStreetMap. Later I found Garmin have some guidelines on their webs

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The GPX tracks are intended to show the basis for the ways and other data > that is in the database, so I think one motivation for timestamps hearkens > back to a desire to "show your work" to defend the source of OSM data >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mapnik not displaying

2008-09-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:59 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "...more OSM coming soon" is a "tile" served in response to a request, > isn't it? I often get them when the server takes too long. So the > problem must be server side. Not necessarily. The 404.png is fetched by the JS API

Re: [OSM-talk] German Supreme Court uses OpenStreetMap

2008-09-25 Thread J.D. Schmidt
Richard Fairhurst skrev: > J.D. Schmidt wrote: > >> /Just for the record, the above was a joke - In case we have Germans and >> Swedes without humour reading the list :P > > It's been pointed out on IRC that the reason the German Supreme Court > was looking into OSM in the first place is that,

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Lambert Carsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 25 September 2008 17:21:59 Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Lambert Carsten wrote: > > > This decision needs more thought. Although I personally don't have a > > > privacy issue here there are clearly those that

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Thursday 25 September 2008 17:21:59 Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Lambert Carsten wrote: > > This decision needs more thought. Although I personally don't have a > > privacy issue here there are clearly those that do > > Just don't set your track as public - then the timestamps won't be exposed. I

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lambert Carsten wrote: > This decision needs more thought. Although I personally don't have a privacy > issue here there are clearly those that do Just don't set your track as public - then the timestamps won't be exposed. cheers Richard ___ talk mai

Re: [OSM-talk] German Supreme Court uses OpenStreetMap

2008-09-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
J.D. Schmidt wrote: > /Just for the record, the above was a joke - In case we have Germans and > Swedes without humour reading the list :P It's been pointed out on IRC that the reason the German Supreme Court was looking into OSM in the first place is that, under pressure from talk-de, they a

Re: [OSM-talk] sponsor letter draft

2008-09-25 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > I called Garmin to sponsor my sub-project of OSM ( > http://www.livingwithdragons.com) and the U.K. marketing manager hadn't > heard of OpenStreetMap. > Later I found Garmin have some guidelines on their website for sponsoring

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Lambert Carsten
Hi, Thanks for the tips pointing to Viking! I am just starting to get to grips with the way it works, but it's definitely usefull. And probably for other things I still have to discover as of yet. I am still curious to know why these time stamps are necessary. It seems an arbitrary decision b

Re: [OSM-talk] German Supreme Court uses OpenStreetMap

2008-09-25 Thread J.D. Schmidt
Jochen Topf skrev: > The German Supreme Court ("Bundesverfassungsgericht") uses OpenStreetMap > maps on its web site: > > http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/organisation/anfahrt.html > > Jochen Nice... Maybe we can get one of their judges to look over the licenses pro bono, in gratitude for

Re: [OSM-talk] German Supreme Court uses OpenStreetMap

2008-09-25 Thread Steven Le Roux
2008/9/25 Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Thursday 25 Sep 2008 6:48:22 pm Jochen Topf wrote: > > The German Supreme Court ("Bundesverfassungsgericht") uses OpenStreetMap > > maps on its web site: > > > > http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/organisation/anfahrt.html > > > > Jochen > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Joseph Scanlan
Greetings, The argument that we map street center lines and add width= or est_width= tags to give them an area is persuasive. Probably because that's what I already believed. ;-) We can also estimate width by using the highway= or lanes= tags. Mapping a car park to its edge (sidewalk, curb

Re: [OSM-talk] German Supreme Court uses OpenStreetMap

2008-09-25 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thursday 25 Sep 2008 6:48:22 pm Jochen Topf wrote: > The German Supreme Court ("Bundesverfassungsgericht") uses OpenStreetMap > maps on its web site: > > http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/organisation/anfahrt.html > > Jochen w00t -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FO

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Christoph Böhme
Lambert Carsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is also a privacy advantage not uploading the unnecessary time > stamps. I am sure there are many that hesitate to upload tracks for > privacy reasons. A while ago I wrote a small shell script which did the following things: - It removes trackpoin

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Lambert Carsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to upload a couple of gpx tracks that I had cleaned up with Josm. > They > were refused with a message that seems to suggest thy are missing time > stamps > (possibly missing altitude). > > Why does opens

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Celso González
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 02:35:49PM +0200, Lambert Carsten wrote: > Maybe someone can point me to some editor with which I can easily clean up > the > tracks without clearing out the time stamps (personally I don't have a > problem uploading that info). I use viking (http://sourceforge.net/proj

[OSM-talk] German Supreme Court uses OpenStreetMap

2008-09-25 Thread Jochen Topf
The German Supreme Court ("Bundesverfassungsgericht") uses OpenStreetMap maps on its web site: http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/organisation/anfahrt.html Jochen -- Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 __

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > This is an interesting topic which is well worth discussion, but to >> > return >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On 25.09.2008, at 12:03, Andy Allan wrote: >> And it means that areas preserve their actual dimensions >> instead of growing outwards beyond their actual boundary - an >> increasingly proportionately large problem

[OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Lambert Carsten
Hi, I tried to upload a couple of gpx tracks that I had cleaned up with Josm. They were refused with a message that seems to suggest thy are missing time stamps (possibly missing altitude). Why does openstreetmap want timestamps? There is no reason for this. I want to clean up my tracks to prev

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Mark Williams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 80n wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 25.09.2008, at 12:53, sergio sevillano wrote: >>> with JOSM i can zoom and put very close independent paths not >>> touching each other making th

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread 80n
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is an interesting topic which is well worth discussion, but to > return > > to the original question for a moment. The issue is that mapnik is not >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mapnik not displaying

2008-09-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/09/2008 12:28, Chris Morley wrote: > Can somebody help to find out what has gone wrong with my system? > (Windows XP, ZoneAlarm Firewall). > > With Firefox 3 (which is generally working as expected) the Mapnik > tiles at http://www.openstreetmap.org don't display - just the logo > and "..

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread 80n
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On 25.09.2008, at 12:53, sergio sevillano wrote: > > with JOSM i can zoom and put very close independent paths not > > touching each other making them practicaly coincident. > This technique implies an accuracy t

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a distinction that will be lost on most casual mappers. Its > complicated enough for them already. You are arguing for a scheme where > seemingly arbitrary combinations of tags can or cannot be combined on one > osm-obje

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is an interesting topic which is well worth discussion, but to return > to the original question for a moment. The issue is that mapnik is not > capable of rendering a way that is both a path and an area. The example > given

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread 80n
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Christoph Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Regardless of whether people are centerlineists or not, there are > > always going to be mappers who will tag ways this way. We have a > > free form tagging scheme so we cannot prohib

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 25.09.2008, at 12:53, sergio sevillano wrote: > with JOSM i can zoom and put very close independent paths not > touching each other making them practicaly coincident. Exactly... and then someone comes along and makes the road a bit more accurate, and you force him to do the job twice O

[OSM-talk] OSM Mapnik not displaying

2008-09-25 Thread Chris Morley
Can somebody help to find out what has gone wrong with my system? (Windows XP, ZoneAlarm Firewall). With Firefox 3 (which is generally working as expected) the Mapnik tiles at http://www.openstreetmap.org don't display - just the logo and "...more OSM coming soon" (yuk). Osmarender, the Cyclema

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Christoph Boehme
80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Regardless of whether people are centerlineists or not, there are > always going to be mappers who will tag ways this way. We have a > free form tagging scheme so we cannot prohibit such things. For > example, a way tagged as highway=waterway, power=line (two line

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Suggesting that the data be changed to accommodate the deficiency of a > particular renderer is very much a case of mapping for the renderer. This > is a principle that is important to uphold. Fix the renderer not the data. >

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread 80n
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > 80n wrote: > > > This is an interesting topic which is well worth discussion, but to > > return to the original question for a moment. The issue is that > > mapnik is not capable of rendering a way that is both a path

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: > This is an interesting topic which is well worth discussion, but to > return to the original question for a moment. The issue is that > mapnik is not capable of rendering a way that is both a path and an > area. The example given was highway=service, amenity=parking. > [...] >

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread sergio sevillano
Frederik Ramm escribió: Hi, On 25.09.2008, at 12:23, Ed Loach wrote: I would agree, and if Frederik does want to tag roads as areas he could use the width= and/or est_width= tags, although it is unlikely that the renderers use them, assuming that the widths they currently render are based on

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread 80n
This is an interesting topic which is well worth discussion, but to return to the original question for a moment. The issue is that mapnik is not capable of rendering a way that is both a path and an area. The example given was highway=service, amenity=parking. Regardless of whether people are c

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 25.09.2008, at 12:23, Ed Loach wrote: > I would agree, and if Frederik does want to tag roads as areas he > could use the width= and/or est_width= tags, although it is unlikely > that the renderers use them, assuming that the widths they currently > render are based on just the highway= val

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Ed Loach
Andy quoted Frederik: > > An argument that I would accept if we'd be tagging roads as > areas. But > > as long as we tag roads as "idealized" zero-width lines which > any > > renderer will draw as it sees fit, it does not make a lot of > sense to > > let the area end precisely at the roadside. An

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 25.09.2008, at 12:03, Andy Allan wrote: > And it means that areas preserve their actual dimensions > instead of growing outwards beyond their actual boundary - an > increasingly proportionately large problem as we add ever smaller > details to OSM. But is that not a problem for roads as we

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Adam Schreiber wrote: >> Not if you consider that roads are to be marked down their center line >> and typically the parking area ends to the outside of the center line >> of the road demarking their boundary. > > A

[OSM-talk] Tiles for mobile devices

2008-09-25 Thread Joseph Gentle
Hi! I want to make a set of tiles for mobile devices. Its easier for a mobile device if you use 64x64 pixel tiles rather than 256x256. To do this, I need to edit generate_tiles.py. The file is pretty poorly documented. Does anyone have any tips on where to start? Do I need to change the projectio

Re: [OSM-talk] Missing tiles?

2008-09-25 Thread Ed Loach
Lukasz wrote: > Also could you add in generate_tiles.py what is what: > > #bbox( left, bottom, right ,top) > #bbox( minlong, minlat maxlong ,maxlat) correct? > Without being an expert I don't know what is min long max long, > and > min lat vs max lat. The way I remember it is lines of *long*it

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (historic=stocks)

2008-09-25 Thread Mark Williams
Matthew Flint wrote: > Deal all, > > I'd like to propose a new tag, "historic=stocks". Stocks are devices > used in medieval times for public humiliation and corporal punishment, > and are still to be found (but not used, alas!) around the UK. > > I would welcome comments on the Proposed Features