Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_link implies oneway=??

2008-10-09 Thread Ed Loach
> versus implying it to be oneway=no, there's *probably* a > reduction in > the amount of tagging needed, because there are probably more > ways with > motorway_link that are oneway=yes than oneway=no. In addition, > for a > routing application it increases safety. It's a lot worse to > route > s

Re: [OSM-talk] ref in roundabouts

2008-10-09 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Dermot McNally [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Sent: 09 October 2008 11:30 AM >To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) >Cc: Mike Collinson; talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ref in roundabouts > >I'm also against tagging a ref on roundabouts unless it refers >specifically _to_ the roun

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-09 Thread Tom Hughes
Philip Homburg wrote: > In your letter dated Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:18:16 +0100 you wrote: >> You need to set the displayProjection parameter on the control to get >> it to give you lat/lons. >> eg: map.addControl(new >> OpenLayers.Control.MousePosition({displayProjection: >> map.getProjectionObject()

[OSM-talk] ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hey all, I'm trying to reach the OAM people to ask about the status concerning the license status of the i-cubed data. I would like to use the data outside of OAM but I can find no clue as to the legalities around that. http://www.openaerialmap.org/datasource/1/ states it's public domain b

Re: [OSM-talk] ref in roundabouts

2008-10-09 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Plenty of examples I've come across of roundabouts which are both named and have a reference (similar to a motorway junction number). The roundabouts on the Birmingham ringroad are a good example. The name tag doesn’t appear to cause any problems but the ref tag does in that the renderers need to n

Re: [OSM-talk] ref in roundabouts

2008-10-09 Thread Dermot McNally
I'm also against tagging a ref on roundabouts unless it refers specifically _to_ the roundabout, rather than to one of the (by definition) several routes passing through. The very fact that we tag roundabouts with a junction tag emphasises their role as "neutral territory" owned by none (or all, yo

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC -Motorway_linkimpliesoneway=??

2008-10-09 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:25:53 -0400 you wrote: >Philip Homburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> But seriously, what I expect is a set of rules of the form "if in-germany >> then highway=trunk implies oneway=yes". > >This leads to a nightmare. Those rules would need to be implemented

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam in OSM diary :-(

2008-10-09 Thread Rory McCann
On 08/10/08 20:35, Patrick Kilian wrote: > Hi, > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ickogg/diary/3606 >> Hope this isn't the start of something messy :-( > Unfortunately there is more: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fresnikors/diary/3603 First one form Ickogg looks OK... Rory

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Dair, That last post was an interesting one. I liked some of your anaologies regarding material change. I can think of three types of material changes that we would want contributed back to OSM: [1] Modifications that improve (not degrade) the accuracy of a Feature geometry. [2] Modifications th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Dair Grant
Peter Miller wrote: > 1) We clarify that a Derived Database is only deems to exist when the > martial changes have occurred to the content of the DB, but not if the > dataset has merely been processed into a different format. On the face of it this sounds reasonable, although I can see there bein

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-09 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:18:16 +0100 you wrote: >You need to set the displayProjection parameter on the control to get >it to give you lat/lons. >eg: map.addControl(new >OpenLayers.Control.MousePosition({displayProjection: >map.getProjectionObject()})); That code doesn't seem to mak

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, >> 1) We clarify that a Derived Database is only deems to exist when the >> martial changes have occurred to the content of the DB, but not if the >> dataset has merely been processed into a different format. > > On the face of it this sounds reasonable, although I can see there being > some

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL for the DB; what about the contents?

2008-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Simon Ward wrote: > Your argument would also suggest that there is no need for the factual > licence. Yes there is; it would protect users who extract a non-substantial amount of data against any claims from anybody. > This comes down to PD vs permissive vs share-alike, and I’ve seen this

[OSM-legal-talk] Question on derived datasets - old license and proposed license...

2008-10-09 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I've got a question about derived datasets and the appropriate way to handle them under the new and proposed license: I download some OSM street data for an area I'm interested in. I make some corrections to the street geometries and street tags. I then use the corrected OSM street data to form th

Re: [OSM-talk] ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-09 Thread Cristiano Giovando
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Martijn van Exel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm trying to reach the OAM people to ask about the status concerning > the license status of the i-cubed data. I would like to use the data > outside of OAM but I can find no clue as to the legalities around

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Propo sed features/lakeshore‎

2008-10-09 Thread Roman Neumüller
This is a proposal to be able to distinguish big lakes and reservoirs on one hand from small lakes (natural=water) and sea (natural=coastline) on the other. There is a need to make the rendering of big lakes and reservoirs with more than 500 nodes distinguishable from small lakes (with less than 5

[OSM-legal-talk] Derived work fun

2008-10-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/ cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
Christiano -- Thanks for that. My guess would be that using the WMS in an OAM-external environment would actually violate the recommendation to use the i-cubed dataset only within OAM. My take on it would be that, as long as there's still uncertainty as to licensing, you should use the i-cubed data

Re: [OSM-talk] ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martijn van Exel wrote: > Christiano -- Thanks for that. My guess would be that using the WMS in > an OAM-external environment would actually violate the recommendation > to use the i-cubed dataset only within OAM. My take on it would be > that, as long as there's still uncertainty as to licensing

Re: [OSM-talk] ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
Op 9 okt 2008, om 17:20 heeft Richard Fairhurst het volgende geschreven: > Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> Christiano -- Thanks for that. My guess would be that using the WMS >> in >> an OAM-external environment would actually violate the recommendation >> to use the i-cubed dataset only within OAM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Derived work fun

2008-10-09 Thread Nick Black
I saw this. It doesn't seem to square with things that Ed has suggested before. At SOTM08 he said that placing a pin on the map made it a derived work and was very unclear about the ownership. In your legal opinion - ;-) - can you both "own" data which you place on a gmap? Cheers, On Thu, O

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question on derived datasets - old license and proposed license...

2008-10-09 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves, 9 de Octubre de 2008, Sunburned Surveyor escribió: > I know that I would have to contribute my corrections and improvements > to the street data back to OSM. With the current wording of the proposed ODbL, yes. But my point of view is that the license should comply with DFSG. In other w

Re: [OSM-talk] ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-09 Thread Steve Chilton
Martijn Is this "just" a research project? I would have thought that if you ask for permission it is likely to be granted - Ordnance Survey seem to be on board already, according to www page. However, your project outcomes seem to suggest rather more than that, and that may be the stumbling block.

Re: [OSM-talk] ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-09 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Martijn van Exel gmail.com> writes: > > Just to clarify - I want to use the data for the Tripod project (http://tripod.shef.ac.uk/ > ) , which is about augmenting metadata in photos mainly based on > existing location data. In this particular part of the project, we > want to analyze the RG

Re: [OSM-talk] ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-09 Thread andrew
On Thursday 09 October 2008 16:20:56 Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Concerns were   > expressed that some OAM content had been georeferenced by use of   > Google Maps. So should all georeferencing be done by visiting control points with a gps? I've some aerial photos that I need to find how to geore