On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> However, this is not the place for that argument. That argument's
>> place is the legal-talk mailing list.
>
> Which makes me wonder why you posted the poll here then?
It was your idea - as you said, only asking the legal-talk ma
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió:
> The public domain will benefit OSM.
Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please?
Thanks,
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Hi,
please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected
to enter a place.
(FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Clothing
Thanks
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On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 09:14:03AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected
> to enter a place.
> (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Clothing
Thanks Lulu-A
I like the idea.
The english term for clothing requirements is a Dress Code. I'm not
sure how this can best fit in - dress_code_min=formal,
dress_code_max=naked ?
-J
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:14 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The public domain will benefit OSM.
What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD?
Surely it would be easier and less risky for them to keep their own
work in a separate database and combine it with
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> the only way you
>> will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel projects? That
>> way us viral people will just take all your work and al
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, OJ W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The public domain will benefit OSM.
>
> What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD?
> Surely it would be easier and less risky f
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Erik Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> the only way you
>>> will be happy and viral people will be happy is with par
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:21 AM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a) Would you like OSM to always be inferior to TeleAtlas and Navteq
> and probably die (PD license)
> b) Would you like OSM to be the best map on the planet (viral license))
> c) This requires more than 90 seconds thought, please
On Monday 03 November 2008 01:09:41 pm SteveC wrote:
> Can't you guys think more than 5 minutes ahead and realise the only
> way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel
> projects? That way us viral people will just take all your work and
> always have a better map.
> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You didn't read the whole sentence:
> >>> ways that are contributed PD only,
>
> Of course at this point your eye is mysteriously drawn to the elephant
> in the room, which is "what deserves copyright protectio
public domain will benefit OSM.
>
> Why not, make a list of all people who want public domain, then
> download the 16GBs of planet dumps and diffs necessary to get all
> history. Analyze all history; extracting the nodes and ways that are
How for example?
Way # 12564789654321
History
* Edited
Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how
to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map
understand them?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8815&lon=10.8767&zoom=14&layers=0B00FTF
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8816&lon=10.8768&zoo
Østensjøvannet seems ok, but Nøklevannet is missing on the Mapnik
rendering. Is that the problem?
2008/11/3 Gustav Foseid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how
> to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map
> un
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Groom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The page
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations#Proposed_uses_of_Relations
> has a large number of proposed uses of relations, but there never seems to
> be any forward movement on these.
>
> However flawed the v
Phooee, all these lists to choose from. Probably most sensible on
legal-talk, I think (so followups to there).
Erik Johansson wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You didn't read the whole sentence:
>>> ways that are contributed PD only,
Of c
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> public domain will benefit OSM.
>>
>> Why not, make a list of all people who want public domain, then
>> download the 16GBs of planet dumps and diffs necessary to get all
>> history. Analyze all history; extracting the no
a fun way for checking the dataset would surely be to have OSM maps in
3d simulations or games, such as
http://torcs.sourceforge.net/ or
http://sourceforge.net/projects/trigger-rally/ (picked at random,
other targets are welcome)
Imagine roadsigns showing restrictions, place & street names,
buildi
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Groom
I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered
as a proposal in the wiki.
Having a quick look on the european statistics about relations in
tagwatch ([1]), the most popular relation "is" type=boundary (10297),
most of them for adm
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Bernt M. Johnsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Østensjøvannet seems ok, but Nøklevannet is missing on the Mapnik
> rendering. Is that the problem?
Sorry, my mistake. Yes, the problem is Nøklevannet.
- Gustav
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM, David Groom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I would suggest concentrating on documenting the ones that are in use,
>> such as multipolygons, cycle route relations. Even better is to
>> concentrate on the ones that are in the db and widely consumed
>> by e.g. a render
>Large-scale I-plucked-this-out-of-my-ass "creative mapping" bearing no
>relation to the facts on the ground, like someone has just done in
>Cheadle, Staffordshire, UK: yeah, that probably deserves copyright
>protection. And taking outside and shooting.
>
>cheers
>Richard
On a complete tangent
On 3 Nov 2008, at 00:12, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió:
>> The public domain will benefit OSM.
>
> Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere,
> please?
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictu
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, David Ebling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On a complete tangent to this conversation... I was curious about the area
> Richard mentioned, so looked it up:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.98283&lon=-1.99189&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF
>
> And was amazed that someon
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Gustav Foseid escribió:
> I am really worried, when I see the chairman of the OSM Foundation making
> these kind of oversimplified statements regardig a complex issue like the
> OSM license. Building a community is much more important than any license,
> and this i
On Mon, November 3, 2008 14:49, Pieren wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Groom
>
>
> I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered
> as a proposal in the wiki. Having a quick look on the european statistics
> about relations in tagwatch ([1]), the most popular
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Sven Rautenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you cannot complete this task until Mapnik gets some software fixes.
> I'd suggest tagging your lake correctly and try to get Mapnik fixed,
> instead of trying to find a workaround tagging that works in Mapnik an
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, David Ebling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > On a complete tangent to this conversation... I was curious about the
> area
> > Richard mentioned, so looked it up:
> >
> http://www.openstreetma
On 3 Nov 2008, at 15:08, Hakan Tandogan wrote:
On Mon, November 3, 2008 14:49, Pieren wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Groom
I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still
considered
as a proposal in the wiki. Having a quick look on the european
statistics
abou
On 3 Nov 2008, at 02:09, Joseph Gentle wrote:
> 2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere,
>> please?
>>
>> Thanks,
>
> I'm sorry for reigniting the flamewar. My intention was merely to get
> some data. However, I'd rath
On 11/3/08, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Depends on what you're wearing - clothes make the man!
clothes = emperors_new
---
Perhaps we can view clothing as we can view other restrictions
dress_code:yes
dress_code:no workwear after 7pm
beach:yes
clothes:permissive
church
clothes:r
2008/11/3 OJ W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The public domain will benefit OSM.
>
> What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD?
> Surely it would be easier and less risky for them to keep their own
> w
Hi,
Andreas Fritsche wrote:
> So, could someone please help me: Is contributing a good or
> a bad thing? *confused*
Depends on what you're wearing - clothes make the man!
Bye
Frederik
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Gustav Foseid escribió:
>> I am really worried, when I see the chairman of the OSM Foundation making
>> these kind of oversimplified statements regardig a complex issue like the
>> OSM
80n wrote:
> Since street names are one of the harder bits of information to collect,
> what this user has done here looks like a very worthwhile contribution to
> the project.
>
> Perhaps we should even be encouraging users without GPS units to create this
> kind of topological map. It looks rea
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp Klaus Krause
> Sent: 03 November 2008 09:55
> To: Licensing and other legal discussions.
> Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll
>
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So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there
are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne
thinks we should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give
him a cigar and shoot him :-)
elvin
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This question has come up several times (from what I could Google out),
but let me ask it again: when can we expect Mapnik OSM layer to render
highway=path? Nevermind the "path or footway" debate - it would be nice
to have paths rendered (they can be rendered the same as footways, as
fa
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, elvin ibbotson escribió:
> So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there
> are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne
> thinks we should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give
> him a cigar and shoot hi
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Cc: "Talk Openstreetmap"
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Groom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
Igor Brejc wrote:
> This question has come up several times (from what I could Google out),
> but let me ask it again: when can we expect Mapnik OSM layer to render
> highway=path? Nevermind the "path or footway" debate - it would be nice
> to have paths rendered (they can be rendered the same
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Gentle
> Sent: 03 November 2008 10:10
> To: Iván Sánchez Ortega
> Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll
>
> 2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED
SteveC asklater.com> writes:
> Can't you guys think more than 5 minutes ahead and realise the only
> way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel
> projects? That way us viral people will just take all your work and
> always have a better map.
Exactly. I mean the f
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM, elvin ibbotson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are
> more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we
> should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give him a cigar
Wednesday - patch by Bernhard H integrated and submitted yesterday.
Locality has been in mapnik style for a while and should render fine.
Cheers
STEVE
Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow
Manager of e-Learning Academic Development
Centre for Learning and Quality Enhancement
Middlesex University
The page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations#Proposed_uses_of_Relations
has a large number of proposed uses of relations, but there never seems to
be any forward movement on these.
However flawed the voting system for proposed tags is, at least there is a
recognised procedure, an
hello Iván
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Gustav Foseid escribió:
>> I am really worried, when I see the chairman of the OSM Foundation making
>> these kind of oversimplified statements regardig a complex issue like the
>> OSM license. Building a community is much m
Tom Hughes wrote:
> Igor Brejc wrote:
>
>> This question has come up several times (from what I could Google
>> out), but let me ask it again: when can we expect Mapnik OSM layer to
>> render highway=path? Nevermind the "path or footway" debate - it
>> would be nice to have paths rendered (they
2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please?
>
> Thanks,
I'm sorry for reigniting the flamewar. My intention was merely to get
some data. However, I'd rather have some argument here than Steve's
inflammatory remarks un
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:37:06 +0100
> From: Jochen Topf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 09:14:03AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected
>> to enter a place.
>> (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing
>>
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On the license note ffs guys, legal-talk-general i believe,
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-general
It's an entire mailing list set up so this un-resolvable (to a large
extent) discussion can be kept away from
Is it minimum clothing? To me, min_clothing=kippah implies that the
very minimum for me to wear would be a kippah, and not wearing socks,
underwear, vest etc.
similarly with min_clothing=scarf - no indication of the general
clothing rules.
and echoing earlier replies:
Could we extend this to pl
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Igor Brejc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aren't we constantly reiterating the fact that tagging is
> "democratic"?
I think democratic is the wrong word. You can do what you like.
There's no tyranny of the masses, for a start - minorities and
majorities are both on eq
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Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> 80n wrote:
>
>> Since street names are one of the harder bits of information to collect,
>> what this user has done here looks like a very worthwhile contribution to
>> the project.
>>
>> Perhaps we should even be encouragin
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Stefan Baebler escribió:
> a fun way for checking the dataset would surely be to have OSM maps in
> 3d simulations or games, such as
> http://torcs.sourceforge.net/ or
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/trigger-rally/ (picked at random,
> other targets are welcome)
Gustav Foseid schrieb:
> Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how
> to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map
> understand them?
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8815&lon=10.8767&zoom=14&layers=0B00FTF
> http://www.openstreetm
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM, elvin ibbotson <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I
suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while
Etienne thinks we should give hi
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:15:26 +
80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are a lot more people without GPS units than there are with, and if
> they can get pleasure from recording street names like this, then the GPS
> mappers job is made much easier.
Isn't this exactly the sort of thing that the
Proposal
An Air traffic obstacle is a tall structure (a node, or linear feature) which
can endanger air traffic. Air traffic
obstacles have to be marked in most cases with red and white colored markings
and with aircraft warning lights at night.
On larger structures blinking lights are requir
See also:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Kosmos_AirNav_Rules#Obstructions_for_low-flying_charts
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-November/031052.html
(Tagging tall buildings)
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On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 08:18:21PM +0100, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
>
> I agree with Etienne. Assuming that zone was blank, I think that user has
> done a great job.
>
> The day will come when we will get rid of all these gps talibans
>
Well. There's nothing wrong with mapping ro
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Sven Rautenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What if the "inner" way marks something other than "nothing"? Simply tag
> it as such. This works great, too. Example: Lake with wood island.
>
> What if this "inner" way has holes by itself? Example: Wood with lake
> insi
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> With two seperate relations I presume, one for the wood, one for the
> lake. Offhand I think osm2pgsql should get this right in slim mode
> (non-slim has its own problems). Do you have an example?
It is reported
Thanks for the link (I didn't see it when I searched for existing info in the
wiki - I searched for "obstacle" and
"obstruction" ... neither one turned up this page). I think, our tagging schema
would fit fairly well in the "obstacles"
part of this definition (which is not very detailed in the
Ok, I've spent half of this evening trying to bring some semblance of reality
to Cheadle, well, at least the bit to the west of the A522. I used NPE as the
main source of info. There's still an *awfu*l lot to be done in this area, and
even the bits I've done are merely a lot less inaccurate than
Hi,
Shaun McDonald wrote:
> Relations are unordered. You could load the relation and all the ways
> referenced by it, then check to see if each way has another way that has
> the same start and end nodes, through a process of stitching.
1. Shaun is right BUT
2. I want relations to become order
Hi,
Pieren wrote:
> I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered
> as a proposal in the wiki.
[...]
> This is an example of "approved" relation which does not require a
> vote because it's already widely used.
There are no "approved" relations; there are those that are
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Shaun McDonald wrote:
> > Relations are unordered. You could load the relation and all the ways
> > referenced by it, then check to see if each way has another way that has
> > the same start and end nodes, through
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