[OSM-legal-talk] Update to Open Data Licence page

2008-11-03 Thread Peter Miller
I have done some edits to the Open Data Licence Page. I have 1) Created a 'See Also' section with links to other related pages (some of which were listed previously in the intro paragraph) 2) Edited the criticism section to make it clearer, to remove detail and link to other places

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, this is not the place for that argument. That argument's place is the legal-talk mailing list. Which makes me wonder why you posted the poll here then? It was your idea - as you said, only asking the legal-talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió: The public domain will benefit OSM. Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please? Thanks, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un

[OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Lulu-Ann
Hi, please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected to enter a place. (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Clothing Thanks Lulu-Ann -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 09:14:03AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected to enter a place. (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Clothing Thanks Lulu-Ann

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
I like the idea. The english term for clothing requirements is a Dress Code. I'm not sure how this can best fit in - dress_code_min=formal, dress_code_max=naked ? -J On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread OJ W
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them to keep their own work in a separate database and combine it with

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the only way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:21 AM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Would you like OSM to always be inferior to TeleAtlas and Navteq and probably die (PD license) b) Would you like OSM to be the best map on the planet (viral license)) c) This requires more than 90 seconds thought, please let

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Monday 03 November 2008 01:09:41 pm SteveC wrote: Can't you guys think more than 5 minutes ahead and realise the only   way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel   projects? That way us viral people will just take all your work and   always have a better map.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Peter Miller
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't read the whole sentence: ways that are contributed PD only, Of course at this point your eye is mysteriously drawn to the elephant in the room, which is what deserves copyright protection?. Adding a

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread maning sambale
public domain will benefit OSM. Why not, make a list of all people who want public domain, then download the 16GBs of planet dumps and diffs necessary to get all history. Analyze all history; extracting the nodes and ways that are How for example? Way # 12564789654321 History * Edited by

[OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map understand them? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8815lon=10.8767zoom=14layers=0B00FTF

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Bernt M. Johnsen
Østensjøvannet seems ok, but Nøklevannet is missing on the Mapnik rendering. Is that the problem? 2008/11/3 Gustav Foseid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations#Proposed_uses_of_Relations has a large number of proposed uses of relations, but there never seems to be any forward movement on these. However flawed the voting

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Phooee, all these lists to choose from. Probably most sensible on legal-talk, I think (so followups to there). Erik Johansson wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't read the whole sentence: ways that are contributed PD only, Of course

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: public domain will benefit OSM. Why not, make a list of all people who want public domain, then download the 16GBs of planet dumps and diffs necessary to get all history. Analyze all history; extracting the nodes and

Re: [OSM-talk] A project for winter - Building heights

2008-11-03 Thread Stefan Baebler
a fun way for checking the dataset would surely be to have OSM maps in 3d simulations or games, such as http://torcs.sourceforge.net/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/trigger-rally/ (picked at random, other targets are welcome) Imagine roadsigns showing restrictions, place street names,

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Groom I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered as a proposal in the wiki. Having a quick look on the european statistics about relations in tagwatch ([1]), the most popular relation is type=boundary (10297), most of them for

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Bernt M. Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Østensjøvannet seems ok, but Nøklevannet is missing on the Mapnik rendering. Is that the problem? Sorry, my mistake. Yes, the problem is Nøklevannet. - Gustav ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest concentrating on documenting the ones that are in use, such as multipolygons, cycle route relations. Even better is to concentrate on the ones that are in the db and widely consumed by e.g. a renderer), Is

[OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread David Ebling
Large-scale I-plucked-this-out-of-my-ass creative mapping bearing no relation to the facts on the ground, like someone has just done in Cheadle, Staffordshire, UK: yeah, that probably deserves copyright protection. And taking outside and shooting. cheers Richard   On a complete tangent to this

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread SteveC
On 3 Nov 2008, at 00:12, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió: The public domain will benefit OSM. Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please?

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a complete tangent to this conversation... I was curious about the area Richard mentioned, so looked it up: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.98283lon=-1.99189zoom=15layers=B000FTF And was amazed that someone has

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Gustav Foseid escribió: I am really worried, when I see the chairman of the OSM Foundation making these kind of oversimplified statements regardig a complex issue like the OSM license. Building a community is much more important than any license, and this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Hakan Tandogan
On Mon, November 3, 2008 14:49, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Groom I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered as a proposal in the wiki. Having a quick look on the european statistics about relations in tagwatch ([1]), the most popular

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Sven Rautenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you cannot complete this task until Mapnik gets some software fixes. I'd suggest tagging your lake correctly and try to get Mapnik fixed, instead of trying to find a workaround tagging that works in Mapnik and

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread 80n
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a complete tangent to this conversation... I was curious about the area Richard mentioned, so looked it up:

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 3 Nov 2008, at 15:08, Hakan Tandogan wrote: On Mon, November 3, 2008 14:49, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Groom I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered as a proposal in the wiki. Having a quick look on the european statistics

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread SteveC
On 3 Nov 2008, at 02:09, Joseph Gentle wrote: 2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please? Thanks, I'm sorry for reigniting the flamewar. My intention was merely to get some data. However, I'd rather have some

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
On 11/3/08, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on what you're wearing - clothes make the man! clothes = emperors_new --- Perhaps we can view clothing as we can view other restrictions dress_code:yes dress_code:no workwear after 7pm beach:yes clothes:permissive church

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Bernt M. Johnsen
2008/11/3 OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them to keep their own work in a

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Andreas Fritsche wrote: So, could someone please help me: Is contributing a good or a bad thing? *confused* Depends on what you're wearing - clothes make the man! Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Gustav Foseid escribió: I am really worried, when I see the chairman of the OSM Foundation making these kind of oversimplified statements regardig a complex issue like the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: Since street names are one of the harder bits of information to collect, what this user has done here looks like a very worthwhile contribution to the project. Perhaps we should even be encouraging users without GPS units to create this kind of topological map. It looks

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp Klaus Krause Sent: 03 November 2008 09:55 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread elvin ibbotson
So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give him a cigar and shoot him :-) elvin

[OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Igor Brejc
Hello, This question has come up several times (from what I could Google out), but let me ask it again: when can we expect Mapnik OSM layer to render highway=path? Nevermind the path or footway debate - it would be nice to have paths rendered (they can be rendered the same as footways, as far

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, elvin ibbotson escribió: So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give him a cigar and shoot him

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Tom Hughes
Igor Brejc wrote: This question has come up several times (from what I could Google out), but let me ask it again: when can we expect Mapnik OSM layer to render highway=path? Nevermind the path or footway debate - it would be nice to have paths rendered (they can be rendered the same as

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Gentle Sent: 03 November 2008 10:10 To: Iván Sánchez Ortega Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll 2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: Can't you guys think more than 5 minutes ahead and realise the only way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel projects? That way us viral people will just take all your work and always have a better map. Exactly. I mean

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread 80n
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give him a cigar and

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Steve Chilton
Wednesday - patch by Bernhard H integrated and submitted yesterday. Locality has been in mapnik style for a while and should render fine. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Learning and Quality Enhancement Middlesex

[OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread David Groom
The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations#Proposed_uses_of_Relations has a large number of proposed uses of relations, but there never seems to be any forward movement on these. However flawed the voting system for proposed tags is, at least there is a recognised procedure,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Hermann Schwaerzler
hello Iván Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Gustav Foseid escribió: I am really worried, when I see the chairman of the OSM Foundation making these kind of oversimplified statements regardig a complex issue like the OSM license. Building a community is much more

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Igor Brejc
Tom Hughes wrote: Igor Brejc wrote: This question has come up several times (from what I could Google out), but let me ask it again: when can we expect Mapnik OSM layer to render highway=path? Nevermind the path or footway debate - it would be nice to have paths rendered (they can be

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please? Thanks, I'm sorry for reigniting the flamewar. My intention was merely to get some data. However, I'd rather have some argument here than Steve's inflammatory remarks

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Andreas Fritsche
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:37:06 +0100 From: Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 09:14:03AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected to enter a place. (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the license note ffs guys, legal-talk-general i believe, http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-general It's an entire mailing list set up so this un-resolvable (to a large extent) discussion can be kept away from

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
Is it minimum clothing? To me, min_clothing=kippah implies that the very minimum for me to wear would be a kippah, and not wearing socks, underwear, vest etc. similarly with min_clothing=scarf - no indication of the general clothing rules. and echoing earlier replies: Could we extend this to

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Igor Brejc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we constantly reiterating the fact that tagging is democratic? I think democratic is the wrong word. You can do what you like. There's no tyranny of the masses, for a start - minorities and majorities are both on equal

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fairhurst wrote: 80n wrote: Since street names are one of the harder bits of information to collect, what this user has done here looks like a very worthwhile contribution to the project. Perhaps we should even be encouraging users

Re: [OSM-talk] A project for winter - Building heights

2008-11-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Stefan Baebler escribió: a fun way for checking the dataset would surely be to have OSM maps in 3d simulations or games, such as http://torcs.sourceforge.net/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/trigger-rally/ (picked at random, other targets are welcome)

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Sven Rautenberg
Gustav Foseid schrieb: Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map understand them? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8815lon=10.8767zoom=14layers=0B00FTF

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we should give him

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Simon Wood
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:15:26 + 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a lot more people without GPS units than there are with, and if they can get pleasure from recording street names like this, then the GPS mappers job is made much easier. Isn't this exactly the sort of thing that the

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway_obstacle

2008-11-03 Thread Andras Fabian
Proposal An Air traffic obstacle is a tall structure (a node, or linear feature) which can endanger air traffic. Air traffic obstacles have to be marked in most cases with red and white colored markings and with aircraft warning lights at night. On larger structures blinking lights are

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway_obstacle

2008-11-03 Thread OJ W
See also: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Kosmos_AirNav_Rules#Obstructions_for_low-flying_charts http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-November/031052.html (Tagging tall buildings) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread vegard
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 08:18:21PM +0100, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: I agree with Etienne. Assuming that zone was blank, I think that user has done a great job. The day will come when we will get rid of all these gps talibans Well. There's nothing wrong with mapping rough

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Sven Rautenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if the inner way marks something other than nothing? Simply tag it as such. This works great, too. Example: Lake with wood island. What if this inner way has holes by itself? Example: Wood with lake inside, which

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: With two seperate relations I presume, one for the wood, one for the lake. Offhand I think osm2pgsql should get this right in slim mode (non-slim has its own problems). Do you have an example? It is reported as

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway_obstacle

2008-11-03 Thread Andras Fabian
Thanks for the link (I didn't see it when I searched for existing info in the wiki - I searched for obstacle and obstruction ... neither one turned up this page). I think, our tagging schema would fit fairly well in the obstacles part of this definition (which is not very detailed in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Shaun McDonald wrote: Relations are unordered. You could load the relation and all the ways referenced by it, then check to see if each way has another way that has the same start and end nodes, through a process of stitching. 1. Shaun is right BUT 2. I want relations to become ordered

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Pieren wrote: I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered as a proposal in the wiki. [...] This is an example of approved relation which does not require a vote because it's already widely used. There are no approved relations; there are those that are

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Karl Newman
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Shaun McDonald wrote: Relations are unordered. You could load the relation and all the ways referenced by it, then check to see if each way has another way that has the same start and end nodes, through a process

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Ja Stefan, Licht eens toe? Groet, Floris Beste Talk'ers, OpenStreetMap wordt genoemd op Webwereld: http://webwereld.nl/articles/53395/gratis-postcodetool-gaat--open-source-.html -- Met vriendelijke groet, Bas de Lange 06 - 166 26 950 Software Freedom Day Nederland hoofdorganisator

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Licht eens toe? Kom je wel eens op OpenStreetMap.nl? :D Kees heeft mij benadert naar aanleiding van onze Postcode struin actie. Daar had ik een berichtje op mijn corporate website over staan. We hebben elkaar op T-DOSE ontmoet en snode plannetjes gemaakt om de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Roeland Douma
We zijn dus enkel nog opzoek naar enkele vrijwilligers om post ook daadwerkelijk te bezorgen zodat TNT helemaal buiten spel komt te staan. --Roeland On Monday 03 November 2008 16:31:38 Stefan de Konink wrote: Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Licht eens toe? Kom je wel eens op OpenStreetMap.nl?

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Armijn Hemel
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 16:31 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote: Freek heeft volgende week weer tijd. Dan is het idee om alle huisnummers te gaan importeren in een losse database en hiervoor een aparte app aan te bieden. En dan semi-automatisch importeren als volgende stap te doen. Interessant.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
Roeland Douma wrote: We zijn dus enkel nog opzoek naar enkele vrijwilligers om post ook daadwerkelijk te bezorgen zodat TNT helemaal buiten spel komt te staan. Alle gekheid op een stokje. Er zijn *serieuze* gesprekken met iig een hele grote bezorger in de wereld :) Stefan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Freek
On Monday 03 November 2008, Stefan de Konink wrote: Armijn Hemel wrote: On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 16:31 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote: Freek heeft volgende week weer tijd. Dan is het idee om alle huisnummers te gaan importeren in een losse database en hiervoor een aparte app aan te

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
Freek wrote: Nou, het gaat om de postcode -- straat huisnummer combinatie, en dat is wel een soort van probleem (tenzij die *serieuze* gesprekken wat opleveren natuurlijk ;-). Wij hebben van AND toch huisnummerreeksen + straatnaam? Die straatnaam linken we aan postcode waar een plaats

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Armijn Hemel
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 16:52 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote: Interessant. Kees schijnt veel van buurtlink.nl te hebben geschraapt volgens de postcodedump die hij heeft, maar op buurtlink.nl staan geen huisnummers. Waar haal je die dan vandaan? Die hebben wij dan weer ;) Uit de AND data

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
Armijn Hemel wrote: On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 16:52 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote: Interessant. Kees schijnt veel van buurtlink.nl te hebben geschraapt volgens de postcodedump die hij heeft, maar op buurtlink.nl staan geen huisnummers. Waar haal je die dan vandaan? Die hebben wij dan weer ;)

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap op webwereld

2008-11-03 Thread Armijn Hemel
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 17:22 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote: Armijn Hemel wrote: On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 16:52 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote: Interessant. Kees schijnt veel van buurtlink.nl te hebben geschraapt volgens de postcodedump die hij heeft, maar op buurtlink.nl staan geen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] QA admin_level=2

2008-11-03 Thread Steven te Brinke
De grenzen van Nederland zien er nu wel goed uit, maar de zeegrenzen kloppen nog niet. Als ik het goed heb liggen de gemeentegrenzen 1 km uit de kust, dat is waar ze nu staan, maar de staatsgrens ligt 12 mijl uit de kust en dus niet op de gemeentegrenzen. Deze moet dus nog worden aangemaakt.

[Talk-de] Parkdeck auf einem Kaufhaus

2008-11-03 Thread Rainer Knaepper
Moin moin, hier gibt es ein Kaufhaus, dessen Dach als Parkplatz genutzt wird, dort führt so eine außenliegende gewendelte Rampe hinauf. Gebäudeumriss und Parkfläche sind identisch (abgesehen vom Treppenhaus/Fahrstuhl). Male ich da jetzt ein building und tagge das gleichzeitig als Parkfläche?

[Talk-de] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Lulu-Ann
Hi, please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected to enter a place. (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Clothing Thanks Lulu-Ann -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s

Re: [Talk-de] is_in (was: Re: autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay)

2008-11-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 12:14:28PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: Ich habe das place=county thema ueberigens durch ein osmarender:render=no geloest ... Pfusch ;) Das problem ist das ich natuerlich jetzt dem osmarender beibringen kann das dingen nicht mehr zu rendern - Problem ist das da jetzt mal

Re: [Talk-de] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Chris66
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected to enter a place. (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Clothing Ist für mich ein Favorit bei der Wahl zum Tag of the

Re: [Talk-de] [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 09:14:03AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected to enter a place. (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Clothing Thanks Lulu-Ann

Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay

2008-11-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 01:52:29PM +0100, Holger Issle wrote: On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:32:22 +0100, Ralf Oltmanns wrote: Nun, ich finds eh etwas naja, jedem node die ganze Kette mitzugeben, anstatt jeweils Nodes zu haben, auf die mit is_in verwiesen wird und die ihrerseits auf andere

Re: [Talk-de] Unterstände im Wald (Shelter)

2008-11-03 Thread Sven Geggus
Tjabo Kloppenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wir waren bislang von Node:building=shelter ausgegangen, nur werden die jetzt auf einmal weder in Mapnik noch Osmarender angezeigt. Wie mappt man die Dinger richtig (amenity=shelter?) -- oder sind sie so richtig gemappt, und nur die Renderer sind

Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay

2008-11-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 01:43:01PM +0100, Holger Issle wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:46:29 +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: Nochmals Polizei, ich hab grad den node Polizeiposten Ehningen bearbeitet. Dabei habe ich auch eine Beschreibung reingemacht. Wird die irgendwie ins Garmin transportiert?

Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay

2008-11-03 Thread Frank Sautter
Florian Lohoff schrieb: my %replace=( baden-wuerttemberg= Baden-Württemberg, baden-württember = Baden-Württemberg, vermutlich brauchst du auch noch diese ersetzungen: baden-würtenberg = Baden-Württemberg, baden-württenberg = Baden-Württemberg,

Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay

2008-11-03 Thread Holger Issle
Moin Florian, Das problem ist das der place name nicht eindeutig ist - d.h. ein verweise im is_in geht schief. Hier gibts nen vorort namens Selhorst der is_in Langenberg ist - ist da jetzt Langenberg,Kreis Gütersloh,Regierungsbezirk Detmold,Nordrhein-Westfalen,Bundesrepublik

Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay

2008-11-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:04:16AM +0100, Holger Issle wrote: Ok, akzeptiert. Ich habe derzeit eher weniger das Problem die Daten auszulesen, aber die Änderungen sinnvoll zurückzuspielen habe ich nicht im Griff :( Jo - Es geht halt die dinge via OSMXAPI zu holen - im JOSM zu editieren und

Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay

2008-11-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:04:25AM +0100, Frank Sautter wrote: Subject: Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay Florian Lohoff schrieb: my %replace=( baden-wuerttemberg= Baden-Württemberg, baden-württember = Baden-Württemberg,

Re: [Talk-de] highway = path foot - wie vorgehen

2008-11-03 Thread Marc Schütz
Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:31:56 +0100 Von: Martin Koppenhoefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] highway = path foot - wie vorgehen Am 2. November 2008 20:06 schrieb Frank Huebner

[Talk-de] Gebäude mit Adresse nicht gerendert

2008-11-03 Thread Stephan Schildberg
Wieso wird http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28169681 in Osmarender dargestellt und http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28173540 nicht? Gruß, Stephan. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Bulk changes

2008-11-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 01:25:15PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 06:39:58PM +0100, Holger Issle wrote: Ansonsten sollte es auch einfach sein, ein kleines Tool zu schreiben, das eine Datei im API-Format (also ohne action=modified o.ä.) nimmt und jedes Objekt darin

Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay

2008-11-03 Thread Holger Issle
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:53:30 +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: Interessant waeren ggfs addr: tags an den Police stations - Die zeigen die kommerziellen auch an ... Ich weiss aber nicht ob Radomir die Stand heute konvertiert ... Wer ist Radomir? Meine Garmin-Karten kommen von Computerteddy. --

Re: [Talk-de] noexit - wie weit anwenden

2008-11-03 Thread Sven Rautenberg
Thomas Hog schrieb: Guenther Meyer schrieb: nur sind osm-daten schon prinzipbedingt zur zeit unvollstaendig, und da ist es durchaus sinnvoll, unterscheiden zu koennen, ob eine strasse, die ploetzlich aufhoert, wirklich so aussieht, oder ob es nur ein fall von ich hab nicht mehr in diese

Re: [Talk-de] Eingemeidungen

2008-11-03 Thread Markus
Hallo Bernd, village (alles kleiner als Stadt, also 10.000 EW) hamlet (Ansammlung einiger Häuser) Wie mache ich das: Die Gemeinde heisst Simmelsdorf (Eingemeindung mehrerer Gemeinden) Das grösste Dorf heisst Hüttenbach (1000 EW). Das Dorf Simmelsdorf ist kleiner (500 EW). Dann gibt es -

Re: [Talk-de] Gebäude mit Adresse nicht gerendert

2008-11-03 Thread Stephan Schildberg
Danke für die schnelle Antwort. Gruß, Stephan. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay

2008-11-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 11:53:09AM +0100, Holger Issle wrote: Stadtkreis Stuttgart, Regierungsbezirk Stuttgart, ... 2x Stuttgart wäre also richtig, denn die Stadt ist ja im village-tag abgebildet. Wie werden eigentlich Straßen und POI an die Städte gebunden? Gibt's da auch ein is_in, oder

Re: [Talk-de] autobug / is_in + amenity=police slippymap mit bug overlay

2008-11-03 Thread Holger Issle
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:20:09 +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: Wer ist Radomir? Meine Garmin-Karten kommen von Computerteddy. Radomir ist der der die routingfaehigen karten baut ... http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/ Guten Morgen, danke. Ich _bin_ wohl schon alt. -- Ciao, Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100,

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