Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-28 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
David Paleino wrote: > David Paleino wrote: > >> http://osm.org/go/xZaERTJSm-- > > Ah, I forgot also this one: > > http://osm.org/go/xZYvzIcHP-- > > NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! I zoomed out and noticed that the national border along the Mediterranean coast of Sicily and the rest of Italy and also F

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-ph] [waypointsdotph] Re: Tropical Storm Ondoy: are you guys ok?

2009-09-28 Thread maning sambale
Hi, We're OK. Other's are not so lucky but our family and immediate relatives are safe. The water was so fast you don't have time to panic. Thankfully the whole family was safe. I went around just this morning to look at the extent of the damage. I went to Ed's house (indescribable). Providen

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread Sam Vekemans
It's great to see that flickr 'Get's it'. Sharing is a good thing :) Now we just need to make a plug-in with JOSM so that as your photo-mapping, you can load your photos to flickr (or any other site). Or is that already done? (so all the images are available to everyone) If so, I think that this

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread Dave F.
Russ Nelson wrote: > Lawds, I wish the English could speak English. Who decided it would > be a good idea to fork off American into a whole 'nother language? > > Many believe the American version is closer to the original. We in the UK then went & added extra letters to certain words jut to sh

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 Russ Nelson : > Richard Fairhurst writes: >  > Nick Whitelegg wrote: >  > > One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as "public domain" >  > > when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same for all councils. >  > >  > Bear in mind that "public domain" meaning "free of copyright" is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread Dave F.
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > It's just way too soon to foresee what problems may arise, > and even more to put preemptive measures up. > > > Some might say that a little forward planning might alleviate future problems. ___ talk mailing li

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/29 Eugene Alvin Villar : > The big problem I see is that our node, way, and relation IDs are too > brittle for this sort of thing. A POI node might eventually get replaced > with a closed-way building. Or a way will get split into two (and those two > ways get completely new IDs) or two ways

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread Ian Dees
Perhaps we should write a WoEID [0] -> OSM ID mapping. The mapping would watch the minutely changes and update the mapping if a node or way changes. [0] http://geobloggers.com/2008/05/12/yahoo-woe-where-on-earth-that-is-ids/ On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > The big p

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Fairhurst writes: > Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as "public domain" > > when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same for all councils. > > Bear in mind that "public domain" meaning "free of copyright" is a US term. > The traditional UK me

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Martes, 29 de Septiembre de 2009, Eugene Alvin Villar escribió: > The big problem I see is that our node, way, and relation IDs are too > brittle for this sort of thing. I see that as premature optimisation. And the rule of thumb for premature optimisation is "don't". If there is a problem wi

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
The big problem I see is that our node, way, and relation IDs are too brittle for this sort of thing. A POI node might eventually get replaced with a closed-way building. Or a way will get split into two (and those two ways get completely new IDs) or two ways will be merged (with the new way not in

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-28 Thread David Paleino
David Paleino wrote: > http://osm.org/go/xZaERTJSm-- Ah, I forgot also this one: http://osm.org/go/xZYvzIcHP-- NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! /me will need some time to fix the whole city :( -- . ''`. Debian maintainer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.

[OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-28 Thread David Paleino
http://osm.org/go/xZaERTJSm-- Please, don't. David (getting mad at how ridiculously is Palermo (Italy) mapped.) -- . ''`. Debian maintainer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://snipr.com/qa_page

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 28 de Septiembre de 2009, Ian Dees escribió: > http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/flickr_now_supports_openstreetmap_tags >.php > > Good to see someone else talking about OSM... Oh my, this is all kinds of awesome. I know several "paleo"-geographers that are into the semantic web thing

Re: [OSM-talk] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki

2009-09-28 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > These translations aren't automatically being synced back to the > OpenStreetMap SVN repository yet. Me and Nikerabbit have been fixing > bugs in the import/export process required to make this happen. Those > bugs don't affect tra

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread edodd
> > Coincidentally I have just had a meeting with someone from one of the > local councils who is interested in using OSM data for their online > services. I brought up this issue and he explicitly said that the > coordinates of the footpaths on the definitive map were derived from > Ordnance Surv

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement re new 'moderation' email list to develop effective responses to vandalism and mistakes

2009-09-28 Thread SteveC
On 28 Sep 2009, at 06:33, Peter Miller wrote: > To avoid spam subscriber's the first posts will be moderated so > don't expect them to appear immediately. Subsequent posts will not > be moderated. How... recursive! :-) Yours &c. Steve ___ talk m

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement re new 'moderation' email list to develop effective responses to vandalism and mistakes

2009-09-28 Thread Dave F.
Dave F. wrote: > Hi Peter > > A couple of questions - > > Is there a need for a separate list? Isn't here good enough for > discussion? > > & to start the ball rolling: > What is vandalism? Since I've been here (admittedly not that long) > I've heard a view cries of Vandal, that turn out, on clos

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread Dave F.
Ian Dees wrote: > http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/flickr_now_supports_openstreetmap_tags.php > > Good to see someone else talking about OSM... > Excellent news ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread Jack Stringer
Here is the Flickr blog post http://code.flickr.com/blog/2009/09/28/thats-maybe-a-bit-too-dorky-even-for-us/ Jack Stringer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-28 Thread Ian Dees
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/flickr_now_supports_openstreetmap_tags.php Good to see someone else talking about OSM... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-28 Thread Pieren
Hi all, This is not my proposal but this tag is used by the Corine Land Cover current import in France corresponding to the class 2.2.2 of this european program (Agricultural areas -> Permanent crops -> Fruit trees and berry plantations). I would like to push this for improvements and a proper ado

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread Mike Harris
... Except from definitive maps based on OS mapping that is more than 50 years old (see my earlier message) - and I suspect that quite a lot of it is. Mike Harris > -Original Message- > From: Nick Whitelegg [mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk] > Sent: 28 September 2009 14:23 > To: talk

Re: [OSM-talk] The French Corine Import has started

2009-09-28 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 28 Sep 2009, at 10:06 , Ruben Wisniewski wrote: > I think the user speaks for itself, you can look at the history if you > want to know where the data came from. But I think there should be a > tag > like on the tiger data which indicates if the data was reviewed > locally, > to prove it i

Re: [OSM-talk] The French Corine Import has started

2009-09-28 Thread Ruben Wisniewski
I think the user speaks for itself, you can look at the history if you want to know where the data came from. But I think there should be a tag like on the tiger data which indicates if the data was reviewed locally, to prove it is valid. Regards, Ruben Marc Schütz wrote: >> I am sending a quick

Re: [OSM-talk] walking-papers.org is dead?

2009-09-28 Thread ouɐɯnH
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: > Eep. > > I'm not sure what happened there - it looked like it was working > correctly, and didn't send me the SMS that it's supposed to when it > goes down, yet it was busted. Tanks , working fine salu2 humano > > I've given the image proc

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Grant for usage of a google mapmaper users data to me

2009-09-28 Thread Chris Fleming
On 28/09/09 14:29, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > is the one project where kosovo is ahead of serbia. > We have now 6-8 GPS devices on the ground and a motivated team. > we are using yahoosat and training mappers. > We are importing GNS features and other things. > > I dont know about the

Re: [OSM-talk] Help from Tourist office?

2009-09-28 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 28 de Septiembre de 2009, Paul Houle escribió: > [...] If they've got the attitude that "we want our site to be the only > source of information about our area" it means that they don't get the web > and that the site isn't going to be a good source of information. No, it doesn't mean

Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries

2009-09-28 Thread Peter Childs
2009/9/28 Mark Williams : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > courtland.yoc...@mindspring.com wrote: >> I've been thinking a bit about this from a very different perspective - that >> of parks and other open public areas where you might not have a chance to >> walk the perimeter

Re: [OSM-talk] Help from Tourist office?

2009-09-28 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 Paul Houle : >    In a lot of places the "Tourist Office" is actually (or practically) > a cooperative sponsored by certain businesses,  generally the larger and > more expensive ones.  This is true of restaurants as much as it is of > hotels. In regional parts of Australia it's usually

Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries

2009-09-28 Thread Mark Williams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 courtland.yoc...@mindspring.com wrote: > I've been thinking a bit about this from a very different perspective - that > of parks and other open public areas where you might not have a chance to > walk the perimeter ... for instance, you've a dog who

Re: [OSM-talk] Help from Tourist office?

2009-09-28 Thread Paul Houle
Dave F. wrote: > Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > > (Which is a pretty stupid thing, given that tourists ought to know all the > local web portals when preparing a trip, instead of going to e.g. OSM or > Wikitravel) > > I dunno. That kind of site is usually a site for sore eyes. If they've

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-28 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/28 Dave F. : > > >> I'm not saying we should bend over backwards in our tagging to ensure it >> will immediately render in all the different rendering flavours, but to >> tag without /any/ consideration for multitude of uses OSM could be used >> for is, I think, lazy,

[OSM-talk] Announcement re new 'moderation' email list to develop effective responses to vandalism and mistakes

2009-09-28 Thread Peter Miller
A new 'moderation' email list[1] has been created to help develop effective responses to vandalism and mistakes. To avoid spam subscriber's the first posts will be moderated so don't expect them to appear immediately. Subsequent posts will not be moderated. [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license status

2009-09-28 Thread Gustav Foseid
2009/9/28 Iván Sánchez Ortega > Better? :-) > :-) - Gustav ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Grant for usage of a google mapmaper users data to me

2009-09-28 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
OSM is the one project where kosovo is ahead of serbia. We have now 6-8 GPS devices on the ground and a motivated team. we are using yahoosat and training mappers. We are importing GNS features and other things. I dont know about the GMM people, but they dont seem to me informed about anything. I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license status

2009-09-28 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 28 de Septiembre de 2009, Gustav Foseid escribió: > 2009/9/28 Iván Sánchez Ortega > > > > The database directive gives 15 years of protection for a dump of a > > > database. As long as the database is updated, the protection period > > > will > > > > be > > > > > continously renewed. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-28 Thread John Smith
2009/9/28 Dave F. : > I'm not saying we should bend over backwards in our tagging to ensure it > will immediately render in all the different rendering flavours, but to > tag without /any/ consideration for multitude of uses OSM could be used > for is, I think, lazy, selfish & bordering on the arr

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>Bear in mind that "public domain" meaning "free of copyright" is a US term. >The traditional UK meaning is quite different. >In the UK, if you say "the map is now in the public domain", that means that >the map is now available to the public - i.e. it's not solely an internal >publication. It d

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-28 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/28 Dave F. : > > >> The database on its own is useless. It needs to be represented in some >> manner such as a visual map. To tag randomly ie 'tag whatever you want & >> let the renderers sort it out' seems illogical & counter productive. >> > > It's more of a cas

Re: [OSM-talk] address interpolation

2009-09-28 Thread Jochen Topf
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 06:33:25PM +0100, David Earl wrote: > I'm experimenting with adding house numbering for the first time (and > using the address interpolation plugin). > > One common case I came across was 25, 25A, 25B, ... > > I wonder whether addr:interpolation=alphabetic could include

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-28 Thread John Smith
2009/9/28 Dave F. : > The database on its own is useless. It needs to be represented in some > manner such as a visual map. To tag randomly ie 'tag whatever you want & > let the renderers sort it out' seems illogical & counter productive. It's more of a case of converting the real world into a da

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nick Whitelegg wrote: > One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as "public domain" > when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same for all councils. Bear in mind that "public domain" meaning "free of copyright" is a US term. The traditional UK meaning is quite different. In the UK, if yo

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-28 Thread Dave F.
ed...@billiau.net wrote: >> You see, this is where I get /really /confused >> >> I see no reference to 'todo' or 'continue' in the general OSM wiki. >> In the Groundtruth wiki page they're highlighted red, saying there there >> no reference page. >> >> I'm repeatedly told "don't tag for the rendere

Re: [OSM-talk] The French Corine Import has started

2009-09-28 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > It will disappear from there anyway as soon as somebody modifies the way. > > Bye Hi > Frederik Yes, I know. And I would say it is normal if the original landuse is improved by local survey. It is not if the landuse polygon is not modified

Re: [OSM-talk] The French Corine Import has started

2009-09-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Pieren wrote: > I would like too. But if we move the attribution (which is a legal > statement we must insert) into the changesets, it disappears in the > exports and planet dumps. It will disappear from there anyway as soon as somebody modifies the way. Bye Frederik ___

Re: [OSM-talk] The French Corine Import has started

2009-09-28 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM, "Marc Schütz" wrote: > Shouldn't the attribution (source) go into the changeset? I don't know what > the current consensus about this is. AFAIK a bot is removing these things > from the TIGER data in the US right now. > > Regards, Marc I would like too. But if

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread Chris Hill
David Earl wrote: > On 28/09/2009 08:53, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > >>> Incidentally, as well as the possible OS contamination, the Council will >>> itself have database and content copyright in the data, so explicit >>> permission would be needed from them to incorporate and release it under >>

Re: [OSM-talk] The French Corine Import has started

2009-09-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Marc Schütz wrote: >> I am sending a quick message to mention that the French import of >> Corine has started. We created an user for the occasion: >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CLCF06 > > Shouldn't the attribution (source) go into the changeset? I don't > know what the current con

Re: [OSM-talk] The French Corine Import has started

2009-09-28 Thread Marc Schütz
> I am sending a quick message to mention that the French import of Corine > has started. We created an user for the occasion: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CLCF06 > > ... Shouldn't the attribution (source) go into the changeset? I don't know what the current consensus about this is. AF

Re: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos

2009-09-28 Thread paul youlten
Alpo Hassinen's site also links to http://www.smartplanes.se/ http://www.smartplanes.se/applications_e.html (in English) It isn't exactly clear how they make their mosaics - the white paper says "The image data of a flight mission can be further processed using the PAMS Internet service to derive

Re: [OSM-talk] address interpolation

2009-09-28 Thread David Earl
> What plugin are you talking about? > The AdvancedAddressDB of Traveling Salesman? Sorry, the AddrInterpolation plugin in JOSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/AddrInterpolation which doesn't allow you to put just a number in the starting # field when numbering scheme is set to

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/09/2009 08:53, Nick Whitelegg wrote: >> Incidentally, as well as the possible OS contamination, the Council will >> itself have database and content copyright in the data, so explicit >> permission would be needed from them to incorporate and release it under >> our CCBySA license. In obta

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>Incidentally, as well as the possible OS contamination, the Council will >itself have database and content copyright in the data, so explicit >permission would be needed from them to incorporate and release it under >our CCBySA license. In obtaining that permission you could ask them to >asser

Re: [OSM-talk] address interpolation

2009-09-28 Thread David Earl
On 28 Sep 2009, at 05:22, Marcus Wolschon wrote: > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:33 PM, David Earl > wrote: >> I'm experimenting with adding house numbering for the first time (and >> using the address interpolation plugin). >> >> One common case I came across was 25, 25A, 25B, ... >> >> I wonder