Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and

2009-10-21 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/10/22 Lester Caine : > > There is not currently a single solution, but I see no reason why a good > email based list can't simply add a web based interactive archive as well? > There are solutions, but all the ones I know about are commercial. I use a board based on MPNews from MessagePixels

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and

2009-10-21 Thread Lester Caine
Dave Hansen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 19:40 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Sarah Manley >> wrote: >>> What is the status of the forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org? >>> >>> Would building this out more maybe solve some of our problems? >> Preference for ema

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Russ Nelson
Cartinus writes: > Nobody is changing any definitions. They are just using a combination of two > existing and widely used tags. Much, much easier than writing a proposal for > a new tag. If it's obviously the right thing to do, then do it, and DOCUMENT IT IN THE WIKI so that other people can

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Russ Nelson
Gustav Foseid writes: > Is it a cafe? No. Should it be tagged as a cafe? No. Clearly one could verify that the location seems to be a cafe. Thus this is not a question about whether it should be tagged, but instead how it should be tagged as a former cafe. May I suggest use of the Nelson Algori

Re: [OSM-talk] Reading AutoCAD .dwg in JOSM/Merkaartor on Mac

2009-10-21 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi, If your just going to be 'tracing' from public domain maps (dwg files) maybe gpsbabel could convert it to gpx, and trace over it that way would work? Would be interesting to learn your findings. Then we could post it on the wiki (if possable, and explain the method) Sam On 10/21/09, Aun Yn

Re: [OSM-talk] Reading AutoCAD .dwg in JOSM/Merkaartor on Mac

2009-10-21 Thread Dave F.
Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: > Hi > > I have got hold on some maps in AutoCAD .dwg format, and want to use > it as a layer for tracing roads, buildings, and other features into > OSM. I believe you have to go *DXF* -> SHP- > *OSM. If you do a google search should pull up some info. Cheers Dave F

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and

2009-10-21 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 19:40 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Sarah Manley > wrote: > > What is the status of the forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org? > > > > Would building this out more maybe solve some of our problems? > > Preference for email vs web forum varie

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and

2009-10-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Sarah Manley wrote: > What is the status of the forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org? > > Would building this out more maybe solve some of our problems? Preference for email vs web forum varies from community to community. In my limited experience, more-technical

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Cartinus wrote: > On Wednesday 21 October 2009 15:45:49 Anthony wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Ulf Lamping > wrote: >> > A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when it's >> > a free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a la

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Cartinus
On Wednesday 21 October 2009 15:45:49 Anthony wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Ulf Lamping wrote: > > A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when it's > > a free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a larger city, which is > > not that uncommon in germany. >

Re: [OSM-talk] Vanuatu

2009-10-21 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: > I received some GPS traces from someone in Vanuatu.  He had had them for > some time, but didn't have the opportunity to slice them up and upload > them.  I took the data and used gpsbabel to split the entire GPS log into > daily chunks wh

Re: [OSM-talk] updates for mapnik coastline-source?

2009-10-21 Thread Grant Slater
2009/10/21 StilgarBF : > does anyone know when or how often the shoreline/coastline/shapefiles > are updated that Mapnik uses to render coasts, islands ... ? > the Wiki says: "every few weeks" > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline) > But what's that supposed to mean? 2 weeks? 4 or 10? > I

Re: [OSM-talk] Vanuatu

2009-10-21 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Andrew Errington schrieb: > I received some GPS traces from someone in Vanuatu. as Vanuatu is large (lots of islands) and I was curious I looked around a litte bit to find the traces. Here is an area where some GPS traces are present and where work seems to make sense: [output from JOSM "log" wi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution

2009-10-21 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 21 Oct 2009, at 18:58, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Peter Miller wrote: >> Sure, so lets get that page showing how things should be onto the >> wiki > > I think we've got that bit already: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_c

[OSM-talk] Reading AutoCAD .dwg in JOSM/Merkaartor on Mac

2009-10-21 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
Hi I have got hold on some maps in AutoCAD .dwg format, and want to use it as a layer for tracing roads, buildings, and other features into OSM. I am Mac user, but have access to Linux (Ubuntu) if I need that to convert the data or to set up a WMS/TMS with the data. I just wonder if anybod

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
Dave F.: >> However, I believe that using a common key instead of >> disused/construction/abandoned/...=yes and distinguishing these using >> different *values* would have been the better alternative. > Common Key? Can you give an example? > > If you mean status=disused, I'm not sure how that get

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Dave F.
Tobias Knerr wrote: > Dave F. wrote: > >> I can't work out if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but anyway... >> >> Are you suggesting there's no exception rule for renderers?: >> Ignore all subsequent keys except for ones label disused or abandoned" >> > > I agree that a renderer sho

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
Dave F. wrote: > I can't work out if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but anyway... > > Are you suggesting there's no exception rule for renderers?: > Ignore all subsequent keys except for ones label disused or abandoned" I agree that a renderer should be able to deal with tags like disuse

[OSM-talk] updates for mapnik coastline-source?

2009-10-21 Thread StilgarBF
Hi, does anyone know when or how often the shoreline/coastline/shapefiles are updated that Mapnik uses to render coasts, islands ... ? the Wiki says: "every few weeks" (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline) But what's that supposed to mean? 2 weeks? 4 or 10? Is this a process where some

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Dave F.
Tobias Knerr wrote: > Because tags like disused=yes conflict with a general principle in OSM: > We don't have a fixed set of tags and mappers can invent and use their > own tags, so it should be possible for software to ignore tags it > doesn't know without causing problems. If I don't support dist

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal -RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread John F. Eldredge
It seems like it would make more sense to have a tag called "peak", with attributes "natural" or "manmade", rather than the other way around. After all, every object in the world is either manmade or natural. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Someoneelse
Lesi wrote: > ... There should be man_made=peak. There will be if you tag one. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Lesi
> Lesi wrote: >> I was already planning to start a proposal for heaps. At the moment I use >> natural=peak. > Not sure what to use at the moment, but they're definitely not natural. > > Cheers > Dave F. That's right. But they are peaks. There should be man_made=peak. The problem is, that after a

Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ciprian Talaba wrote: > I had only one small issue with older planet files: after converting > from API 0.4 to API 0.5 some of the ways had members without ref I suspect this is a case where a way consisted of one segment but the nodes belonging to that segment were not present in the plan

Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-21 Thread John Smith
2009/10/21 Ciprian Talaba : > Thanks for all the info. With your help I was able to obtain older extracts > for Romania and to create some evolution movies. They are not great compared > with what ITO have done in the past but they covered our needs (we have also > contacted ITO, actually Peter Mil

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution

2009-10-21 Thread Peter Miller
On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:01, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 20/10/09 11:36, Peter Miller wrote: > >> On 20 Oct 2009, at 11:03, Sam Larsen wrote: >> >>> I am looking into the proper attribution of OSM in a tiled web >>> mapping scenario. I know the guidelines on attribution can be found >>> on the wiki - an

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Ulf Lamping wrote: > A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when it's a > free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a larger city, which is not > that uncommon in germany. So propose landmark=cafe. Much easier than changing the defini

Re: [OSM-talk] shop=groceries?

2009-10-21 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > I sent farlokko the following mail via the website on September 29th: > > """ > Til     farlokko > Titill  Please revert your changeset changing shop=groceries into > shop=greengrocer > Dags    þriðjudaginn 29. september 2009 kl. 14:

Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-21 Thread Ciprian Talaba
Hi everybody, On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Yes, it's called planet.openstreetmap.org! > > Note, however, that if you go any earlier than October 2007 you will > encounter version 0.4 planet files which cannot be processed using today's > tools. You will have to use SVN

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/21 Dave F. : > Someoneelse wrote: >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining >>> >> >> It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as >> currently - looking in the UK I can

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Shaun McDonald wrote: > It is not helpful if you are looking for a list of places that you can > get a coffee/beer/snack. > > If you want to use old cafes as a landmark you could use > old_amenity=cafe to say that it is no longer open and serving customers. I see, that would be in the same

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Liz
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: > What part of "former cafe" is it that don't you understand? the "disused part" I understand "former_cafe" quite well and i wonder how we got to cafe from mineshaft ?? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 21 Oct 2009, at 09:44, Ulf Lamping wrote: Peter Childs schrieb: Yes But, If a Pub is tagged amenity=pub disused=yes The thing looks like a put (ie large pub like lables) hence works relatively well as a land mark, it just happens to be closed and does not sell Beer anymore. Its still

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Someoneelse
Ulf Lamping wrote: > What part of "former cafe" is it that don't you understand? Well, amenity=former_cafe I certainly DO understand. I thought that you were arguing in favour of the construct further up the thread: amenity=pub disused=yes To my mind a pub that doesn't serve beer some of the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Ulf Lamping
Someoneelse schrieb: > Ulf Lamping wrote: >> A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when >> it's a free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a larger city, >> which is not that uncommon in germany. > > Whether you think it's still a café (or a pub) or not might depen

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Someoneelse
Ulf Lamping wrote: > A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when it's > a free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a larger city, which is > not that uncommon in germany. Whether you think it's still a café (or a pub) or not might depend on how hungry or thirsty yo

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Ulf Lamping wrote: > A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when it's > a free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a larger city, which is > not that uncommon in germany. > Is it a cafe? No. Should it be tagged as a cafe? No. The di

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread John Smith
2009/10/21 Ulf Lamping : > A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when it's > a free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a larger city, which is > not that uncommon in germany. > > If you stand in front of it, you'll now this once was a cafe. Larger > paved area in fro

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Ulf Lamping
Peter Childs schrieb: > > Yes But, > > If a Pub is tagged > > amenity=pub > disused=yes > > The thing looks like a put (ie large pub like lables) hence > works relatively well as a land mark, it just happens to be closed and > does not sell Beer anymore. Its still useful if its a landmark. sa