Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Same thing as a Tuk-Tuk (Thailand) or a moto-remorque (Cambodia)? If not the same, close enough to be worth rendering the same? > We also have tags for vegetarian/non-vegetarian - also useless outside > India. Hardly! > So these things render on our server - but not on the official osm > serv

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on Key:religion - Pastafarians

2010/1/11 John F. Eldredge : > The logical Pastafarian building would be a multilevel highway interchange, > with crisscrossing bridges, since a slang term for those (at least in the > USA) is "spaghetti junction".  If you have to cross one of those while it is > covered in ice, there is definit

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 11 Jan 2010 6:03:49 am Steve Bennett wrote: > > For example, in this case, imagine that lots of people are using > > amenity=vet or service=veterinarian or something, which never gets > > supported. That's wasted effort, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on Key:religion - Pastafarians

The logical Pastafarian building would be a multilevel highway interchange, with crisscrossing bridges, since a slang term for those (at least in the USA) is "spaghetti junction". If you have to cross one of those while it is covered in ice, there is definitely some prayer taking place (althoug

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on Key:religion - Pastafarians

2010/1/11 Aun Johnsen : > The best political statement we can make is inclusionism. Include > whatever in the database, so that everybody can do whatever they want > with the map. What I'm wondering is, where is a pastafarian building? After all, I thought we were tagging what's on the ground? I

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

On Monday 11 Jan 2010 6:03:49 am Steve Bennett wrote: > For example, in this case, imagine that lots of people are using > amenity=vet or service=veterinarian or something, which never gets > supported. That's wasted effort, and may prevent someone else tagging > those vets properly. > do not

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Joseph Reeves wrote: > >The most important thing, imho, is that different people who set out to > tag the same thing do it the same way. > > +1 > > Which is why keep right! OSM Doc, tagstat, tagwatch, et al. are all so > important. > > Yes, but they should feed in

Re: [OSM-talk] Can someone suggest a OSM/nearmap-based route-plotting tool

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: > Most Garmins are limited to 500 points in a saved track. Though this is > usually plenty, unless it is a rather long journey. > The newer ones, including mine, are 2000 I think. > > You could turn off autorouting. ie set it to "off road" i

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

>The most important thing, imho, is that different people who set out to tag >the same thing do it the same way. +1 Which is why keep right! OSM Doc, tagstat, tagwatch, et al. are all so important. Cheers, Joseph 2010/1/11 Steve Bennett : > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Ulf Lamping > w

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Ulf Lamping wrote: > The first case is "just" garbage in the database - not nice but doesn't > really hurt. But how do you know that it will "never" get rendered? > Obviously you'd only know retrospectively. But when I say that unrendered tags are harmful, I mean

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Of course those are all good points and I support your veterinary efforts; sorry, I think I could have come across badly during my rant. I was arguing against the idea that we should only record (wiki approved) features that are going to appear in Mapnik/Osmarender tiles. In truth, of course, this

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Personally I wouldn't care that much about whether something I enter into the database is going to be rendered on the official tiles or not; it's there and someone may use it some day. There are more use cases for the data in OSM than just being rendered to the usual "road maps". But in my case,

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Am 11.01.2010 00:54, schrieb Steve Bennett: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Joseph Reeves > wrote: > > >You currently have this chicken-and-egg situation where you don't > know if it's worth using a tag because you don't know if it will > ever be imple

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Daniel Neugebauer wrote: > I will look into Mapnik as well if there's also nothing in progress already. There is no ticket, open or closed, for mapnik regarding veterinaries. -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openst

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

>The only real issue here is that "voted on" tags are taking a long time to get >implemented in Osmarender, and we should help the developers to reduce this. But as we've seen (and as you're discussing elsewhere), this is only the real issue if you see Osmarender/Mapnik as the only outputs of map

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Patrick Kilian wrote: >> >> If enough flying rhinoceros' are mapped I'll add it to osmarender. The >> interesting part here is the "enough". > > If this is the standard process, could it be documented? It's

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Hi! Sorry if I opened old wounds by asking; I couldn't find anything about the current status, that's why I asked. As a newbie to OSM it seemed strange that an approved proposal has an icon attached but noone ever mentioned it again. It's good to know that nothing has been done yet to include i

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Joseph Reeves wrote: > >You currently have this chicken-and-egg situation where you don't know if > it's worth using a tag because you don't know if it will ever be > implemented. > > But now you're just mapping for the renderer. Not by the usual interpretation o

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag voting/rendering process (was Re: no rendering of amenity=veterinary)

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: > > I would have said it's something like > > "to establish that the tag is part of the official OSM tag set" or > > something. And once established, it should be rendered (or explicitly > not > > rendered, if inappropriate) by the official OS

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag voting/rendering process (was Re: no rendering of amenity=veterinary)

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > To establish whether it's "a useful way"? Nah, the process must have a > stronger outcome or it's pointless. Or, if you like, to establish whether it's the *best* way to model it in the OSM database. I entirely disagree that that's "pointl

[OSM-talk] Tag voting/rendering process (was Re: no rendering of amenity=veterinary)

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: > > There's a difference between establishing that a tag is 1) a useful > way to model some aspect of physical reality, and 2) that it should > show up in a particular renderer. > > Use a tag if it is 1). If you want 2), that's a separate issue.

Re: [OSM-talk] Can someone suggest a OSM/nearmap-based route-plotting tool

On 10/01/2010 22:12, Steve Bennett wrote: > > Track: > - WYSIWYG (the track on the gps is exactly what you created on the computer) > - totally independent of map data quality > - Can be as long and complicated as you like Most Garmins are limited to 500 points in a saved track. Though this is us

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

>You currently have this chicken-and-egg situation where you don't know if it's >worth using a tag because you don't know if it will ever be implemented. But now you're just mapping for the renderer. Regardless of whether or not Veterinaries get rendered, you should map them if you see them; it's

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > If this is the standard process, could it be documented? It's extremely > unclear at the moment what the process is for getting new tags supported. > You currently have this chicken-and-egg situation where you don't know if > it's worth usi

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Patrick, > Yes amenity=veterinary sounds good. Existing icons sound good too. About > 1000 are even better. But don't hold your breath for this to appear on > osmarender. If you really want or need it to render please do as much as > possible of the following: Why the list. Everyone can modify th

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > So you're overworked. How can we help? > > Oops, missed point 6. Ok, so how about this: proposals for new tags should include patches for OSMarender and Mapnik. Seem reasonable? Steve ___ talk ma

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Patrick Kilian wrote: > If enough flying rhinoceros' are mapped I'll add it to osmarender. The > interesting part here is the "enough". > If this is the standard process, could it be documented? It's extremely unclear at the moment what the process is for getting

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on Key:religion - Pastafarians

The best political statement we can make is inclusionism. Include whatever in the database, so that everybody can do whatever they want with the map. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Gervase Markham writes: > >> On 06/01/10 19:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> 2010/1/6 Gre

Re: [OSM-talk] Can someone suggest a OSM/nearmap-based route-plotting tool

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Andrew Errington < a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote: > > I don't know what a "course" is, and I haven't looked. > Courses are supported by training/racing-oriented Garmin devices and add timing information, to allow better time estimates, and to give the user a

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Hi, please not that I speak only for osmarender as other renderers are maintained by other people. The following is basically a rant. So don't get mad at me or take the following personally. You mapped something? great You checked the wiki for tags to model the reality with? ok You whine about

[OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Hi! I recently added a veterinary to OSM by setting amenity=veterinary as approved in August 2008; see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Veterinary http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dveterinary Unfortunately, veterinaries are not yet being rendered by Osmaren

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on Key:religion - Pastafarians

Gervase Markham writes: > On 06/01/10 19:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> 2010/1/6 Greg Troxel mailto:g...@ir.bbn.com>> >> >> We should remember that the purpose of maps is to represent reality to >> map users, not to make political points. >> >> says who? Maps have always and in all

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

> Actually several of the Australian borders were drawn up on paper but > the physical border differs because of miscalculation when surveyed, > they just found out that the angle along NT/Qld borders differs in the > direction they went north, so they'll probably update the paper maps, > they sai

Re: [OSM-talk] Unions seem to be complaining about potential joblosses if OS data is given away for free..

Phill, thanks for the correction, when having 3 languages it is easy to mix something Sorry, didn't read the article, tough luck for the sales people that somebody have been able to see through the scam and stopped them. If their jobs goes there are probably other places thay can sell stuff.

[OSM-talk] Problem rendering Lake Falcon

Hi Anybody see the error at "Falcon Lake" preventing Mapnik (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=26.5924&lon=-99.1976&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF) and Osmarender (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=26.7685&lon=-99.23&zoom=12&layers=0B00FTF) from rendering the lake correctly? ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Unions seem to be complaining about potential job losses if OS data is given away for free..

2010/1/10 Aun Johnsen : > So complaining about potential job loss in one company shows either > lack of knowledge, or lack of competence. It is the latter than we are > better off without them. The complaints about job losses is sales staff since the data may be given away there will be less need

Re: [OSM-talk] Unions seem to be complaining about potential job losses if OS data is given away for free..

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Nic Roets wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: >> >> Op 10-01-10 05:30, John Smith schreef: >> > >> > http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4826436.New_threat_to_jobs_at_Southampton_s_Ordnance_Survey/ >> >> Sounds like the OS didn't have