Re: [OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Richard Bullock
Very basically this is all a problem becuase highway=track and highway=bridleway/byway/footway cannot both be tagged >together. They need to be understood and moved, or duplicated into 'routes' or another key to state access. Having >them together any longer will knock 10 years off my life,

[OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Ben Robbins
RichardB: I'm aware it's appeared before, that means nothing if theres still an issue. To class the tagging system as 'the wheel' is giving it far to much praise, the wheel is what would be great to have. are the following tags rendering on the main openstreetmap renderers? If so, can designa

[OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Ben Robbins
RichardB: This also makes me wonder, why do highway=bridleway or highway=byway still exist, if designation=public_bridleway is possible? What is a bridleway if not designated a bridleway?! ___ talk mailing lis

[OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Ben Robbins
Simon: To put it simply. There is 'can' and there is 'may'. Places one 'can' go, and places one 'may'. I can walk across my neighbours lawn, but I may not. I may choose to take a footway where I 'can' walk on a track, then take another footway where i 'may' walk where i 'can' on a path.

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ben Robbins wrote: > [...] Please take this to talk-gb. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Tracks-and-there-place-in-society-tp6389100p6389114.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Simon Poole
Am 21.05.2011 11:45, schrieb Ben Robbins: Simon: To put it simply. There is 'can' and there is 'may'. Places one 'can' go, and places one 'may'. I can walk across my neighbours lawn, but I may not. I may choose to take a footway where I 'can' walk on a track, then take another footway wh

[OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Ben Robbins
Simon: There is no such thing as a track as an access right in the UK. I merely give this example becuase I am talking generally, and apparently they do exist elsewhere, and this has been insistend relentlessly by others in the past, so I'm just going with that. In the UK there is no use for

[OSM-talk] Default policy on automated edits

2011-05-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I was recently having a discussion about the role of automated imports and other automated edits to our dataset. I think we need a simple, concise position statement on the issue. This video concisely summarizes my view on the issue and I suggest we adopt it as our official default policy: http:

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Greg Troxel
are the following tags rendering on the main openstreetmap renderers? If so, can designation=public_footpath appear without highway=footway. If so, that does then bring up the issue of good rendering, and I think you are conflating two things: in tagging, it makes sense to describe both

[OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Ben Robbins
>>> are the following tags rendering on the main openstreetmap renderers? >>> If so, can designation=public_footpath appear without highway=footway. >>> If so, that does then bring up the issue of good rendering, and > > I think you are conflating two things: > >>> in tagging, it makes se

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/21/2011 01:41 PM, Ben Robbins wrote: If it is a) (just a track), show just a track. If it is b) (a footway (public access)) show a footway. If it is both, we need to be able to show both. A track which does not have access=private or access=no or something is always accessible and u

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Robert Kaiser
Ben Robbins schrieb: does seem like an incredably hacky way of solving this issue. Practically everything in OSM is done in a hacky way. And actually, that's probably the only way that works in a mostly unorganized, freedom-promoting community. If you want strictly logical organization, you'

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-21 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: > On 05/21/2011 01:41 PM, Ben Robbins wrote: > > If it is a) (just a track), show just a track. If it is b) (a footway > > (public access)) show a footway. If it is both, we need to be able to > > show both. > > A track which does not have access=private or access=no or

Re: [OSM-talk] Default policy on automated edits

2011-05-21 Thread Stephan Knauss
Serge Wroclawski writes: This video concisely summarizes my view on the issue and I suggest we adopt it as our official default policy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb2Pzl1U0sY And I always though it's the Klingon you don't trust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0kzI9m6gO0 :) Stephan __

Re: [OSM-talk] Default policy on automated edits

2011-05-21 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > I was recently having a discussion about the role of automated imports > and other automated edits to our dataset. > > I think we need a simple, concise position statement on the issue. > > This video concisely summarizes my view on the is