Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Russ Nelson
David Groom writes: > > But all theories of law aside, as a practical matter, if someone > > hasn't bothered to decline, they're not going to bother to sue. You > > The argument "hey, we understand we don't know if we have any right to use > this data, buts lets leave it in and hope no one

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Russ Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines Paul Norman writes: > > It's particularly galling that anonymous users who haven't accepted or > > declined are having their copyright respected. If yo

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Paul Norman
> -Original Message- > From: Russ Nelson [mailto:nel...@crynwr.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:21 PM > To: talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines > > Paul Norman writes: > > > It's particularly galling that anonymous users who haven't accepted > o

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Russ Nelson
Paul Norman writes: > > It's particularly galling that anonymous users who haven't accepted or > > declined are having their copyright respected. If you don't post your > > land *with your name and address* in New York State, you cannot > > successfully pursue a claim of trespass. > > Copyri

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Paul Norman
> -Original Message- > From: David Groom [mailto:revi...@pacific-rim.net] > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines > - Original Message - > From: "Russ Nelson" > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines > > > > Paul Norman writes: > > > I have been running a nightly

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Russ Nelson
Stephan Knauss writes: > Users not agreeing or not responding have to be treated the same way, > regardless of their nick known or not. Non-responsive. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 1

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Paul Norman
> -Original Message- > From: Russ Nelson [mailto:nel...@crynwr.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:42 AM > To: Paul Norman > Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines > > Paul Norman writes: > > I have been running a nightly coastline generation on my

Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-24 Thread Russ Nelson
Simon Poole writes: > http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F What if someone refuses to choose? What is the policy there? "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice", and the implications of that choice are not described. >

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 24.03.2012 19:12, Russ Nelson wrote: David Groom writes: > more error free. Had I now been a CT decliner I see no legal difference > between the resulting data in this instance and data which "If it was > subsequently edited by a decliner, well, that's different". How would we ever k

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Russ Nelson
David Groom writes: > more error free. Had I now been a CT decliner I see no legal difference > between the resulting data in this instance and data which "If it was > subsequently edited by a decliner, well, that's different". How would we ever know? They're anonymous. If they want to come f

[OSM-talk] map tiles using OSM data

2012-03-24 Thread Hillsman, Edward
Since no one has mentioned this yet on the OSM lists that I follow, I thought I'd pass it along: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/design/2012/03/online-map-youll-actually-want-look/1579/, which refers to the originator at http://maps.stamen.com/#terrain/12/37.7706/-122.3782, which has code for u

Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-24 Thread Simon Poole
Am 24.03.2012 16:42, schrieb Russ Nelson: > Simon Poole writes: > > > > b) the meaning of the PD-checkbox can't be reinterpreted after the fact > > Yes, it can, and it should be. If I make a public declaration that I > do not intend to pursue copyright claims against anybody, or that I > th

Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-24 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 24.03.2012 16:42, schrieb Russ Nelson: Sorry to keep pushing so hard on this, but why delete map data unnecessarily? Why delete MY data unnecessarily? The first question you ask here I can take as serious: good one, and IMHO you're right, I cannot say, why the OSMF don't want to count data f

Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-24 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: > Simon Poole writes: >  > We've been through this multiple times, but here we go again: > > Obviously not enough times, because I hadn't heard of this before. I > was under the impression that when I said that my edits were in the > public doma

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Russ Nelson" To: "Paul Norman" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines Paul Norman writes: > I have been running a nightly coastline generation on my server, using > the > latest data from my jxapi serv

Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-24 Thread Russ Nelson
Simon Poole writes: > We've been through this multiple times, but here we go again: Obviously not enough times, because I hadn't heard of this before. I was under the impression that when I said that my edits were in the public domain, everybody believed me. I think other people probably think th

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Russ Nelson
Paul Norman writes: > I have been running a nightly coastline generation on my server, using the > latest data from my jxapi server. Tonight I switched it over to filter out > data that WTFE reports as dirty. This is somewhat more aggressive than the > rebuild will be, but the results are worri

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Thomas Davie
> > One advantage of remapping is the possibility that there are now better data > sets available for import than the PGS data which was originally used. I'm > particularly thinking here of the US & Canada. This is exactly what I've been doing – non-safe coastline in the UK using the OS OpenD

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Simon Poole
I was just going to suggest this, while it limits you to CC_by-SA 2.0 as a licence for tiles (or similar), there is no reason that you couldn't use a pre-licence change coastline for rendering (in the case of the main OSM site, the tiles are going to remain CC-by-SA 2.0 anyway). Simon Am 24.03.

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Paul Norman" To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:34 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines I have been running a nightly coastline generation on my server, using the latest data from my jxapi server. Tonight I switched it over to filter out data tha

Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC 2012 - Application

2012-03-24 Thread Shivansh Srivastava
Hi Graham, I downloaded the svn and I have a decent idea of how to implement a UI, which I think I could propose in next few mails & discuss with the community. Regarding the svn, I cant figure out which module to start from, as I can see the applications & extensions folders. Could you guide me

Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC 2012 - Regarding CycleStreets Projects

2012-03-24 Thread Chris Fleming
From the sounds of this tweet: https://twitter.com/#!/cyclestreets/status/183262141237833728 It looks like Cyclestreets are very close to opening up their source code. Cheers Chris On 23/03/12 07:50, Graham Jones wrote: Pryanka, If you have not heard from the author of cyclestreets, it wou

[OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Paul Norman
I have been running a nightly coastline generation on my server, using the latest data from my jxapi server. Tonight I switched it over to filter out data that WTFE reports as dirty. This is somewhat more aggressive than the rebuild will be, but the results are worrisome. A PNG showing the OSM coa