>There's one more face to iD and mistakes users make: translations.
>Bad translations cause bad tagging.
> Example: "track" was translated to Polish .
Good translation is very important for the beginners.
and _now_ not so easy to check the quality of the iD translations.
I would like to info
> > OpenStreetMap values community cohesion over data perfection.
>
> Could both terms be more elaborated on?
> Does "data perfection" in practice mean "adding true but not really
> useful things, often in not-well-thought-out way"?
> Because otherwise, we should strive to be perfect.
Ah, this i
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
> Bryce,
>
> After reading through this thread, I just don't see this dataset as
> being high enough of quality to import.
>
> Arguing that users will be free to move objects does not jive with the
> ~10 years experience we have in OSM, and
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Jo Walsh wrote:
> OpenStreetMap values community cohesion over data perfection.
Could both terms be more elaborated on?
Does "data perfection" in practice mean "adding true but not really
useful things, often in not-well-thought-out way"?
Because otherwise, we sh
Whoops. Good to know. Though it's still rudimentary ;) Not long ago I
tried to do intentionally do stupid things in iD demo in order to see
if it would stop me - it didn't.
There's one more face to iD and mistakes users make: translations. Bad
translations cause bad tagging. English terms don't al
Since two years ago, iD has an range of validations it runs on every
potential changeset, as well as an interface to review & correct potential
errors before saving them.
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/js/id/validate.js#L1
We welcome contributions to expand these, and have a few
I was wondering, what do you think (interpret this only as a question)
about introducing validation in iD in the future?
Using MAGIC integrated circuit design tool, that does DRC (Design Rule
Check) in real time and highlights errors inspired me that OSM editors
could also incorporate this. It mak
Hi,
On 02/12/2015 08:53 PM, Jo Walsh wrote:
> so I can only accept a tiny modicum of credit for
> compressing it :)
... from a dry and almost legalese long-form that nobody wanted to read
into something that radiates community spirit. Credit whom credit is due ;)
Bye
Frederik
--
Frederik Ramm
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015, at 07:39 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map
>
> I welcome this page, I think it is very useful.
>
> One small comment - I oppose the following sentence:
Thank you for the comment Matthijs, I've added it to the discussion page
her
On 10 February 2015 at 12:19, Jo Walsh wrote:
> I wish to float this draft page for discussion and possibly future
> approval!
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map
I welcome this page, I think it is very useful.
One small comment - I oppose the following sentence:
| OpenStreetMap h
We have to think of OSM as a global community where not all countires are equal
with access to internet and computers. Often, people have smartphones and could
contribute.
Adding a note with photo would greatly help. The @osmthis Twitter tag let's do
this. But it is uneasy then to communicate wi
On 2015-02-12 18:23, Pieren wrote:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Michał Brzozowski
wrote:
@Pieren: You switch topics so easily that I'm not sure what are you
talking about precisely. Is your stance "Someone showed that it is
easy to add fake notes, therefore we must assume that every singl
On 2/12/2015 6:46 AM, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
I happen to fix a lot of notes in Poland.
For me it would be impractical to check every POI that I add from notes.
It's for this reason that notes say "This note includes comments from
anonymous users which should be independently verified".
This
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
> @Pieren: You switch topics so easily that I'm not sure what are you
> talking about precisely. Is your stance "Someone showed that it is
> easy to add fake notes, therefore we must assume that every single POI
> added from notes is fake
Thx for this!
Croatia dropped from 300 to 77(1.40%) open notes since you created this!
Keep up the good work :D
Hrvoje
On 02/03/2015 08:56 PM, Matija Nalis wrote:
OSM Notes are quite useful feature, and if you take advantage of it, you'd
have a lots of Notes. Vast majority of them resolved a
I think the person who added these fake notes misses the point in how
OSM actually works.
Wouldn't be for the trust and assumption of good faith, there would be no OSM!
@Pieren: You switch topics so easily that I'm not sure what are you
talking about precisely. Is your stance "Someone showed that
ICYMI, Richard Fairhurst contributed a patch to fix this problem that we're
currently reviewing for inclusion:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/2526
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Jo wrote:
> Thank you for dismissing all our arguments in one fell swoop. The
> difference with reported
Am 12.02.2015 um 15:46 schrieb Michał Brzozowski:> I happen to fix a lot
of notes in Poland.
> For me it would be impractical to check every POI that I add from notes.
> Mind you, I do the research in the Internet if it's a feature that
> could possibly have a website (fire station, church, restaur
Thank you for dismissing all our arguments in one fell swoop. The
difference with reported bugs, is that said bugs did get addressed. If we
are anti-anything it's
anti-having-to-cleanup-with-no-possibility-to-shut-close-the-source-of-the-cause-of-precious-time-wasters.
If people were consciously br
+1.
Quite funny actually that the parallel discussion on « how we map »
clearly states :
In talking to other mappers, always ASSUME GOOD INTENTIONS.
and drew no bad attention, but does not seems to be accepted for the
notes mappers (meaning creators, as in « I don't know to map, adding a
n
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
> Therefore sometimes I simply assume good
> faith which in my opinion *is* sensible.
That's where I disagree. If some registred user creates fake POI's
directly, he should be banned (first temporarily, with warnings etc)
once we notice th
Dear Sev,
I was involved the last two years on assisting 3 municipalities in
using OSM as a platform for basemapping in a disaster risk reduction
(DRR) project. Anecdotal reports from local contacts were saying
these maps were actually used in the preparation and eventual response
to a big typhoo
Am 12.02.2015 um 14:27 schrieb malenki:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:08:37 -0500, Tom MacWright wrote:
>
>> Ever since 2012, in the second commit ever, "Not breaking other
>> people's data" has been one of the three clearly stated public design
>> goals of iD.
>
> Regarding this statement it is interes
I happen to fix a lot of notes in Poland.
For me it would be impractical to check every POI that I add from notes.
Mind you, I do the research in the Internet if it's a feature that
could possibly have a website (fire station, church, restaurant,
supermarket etc), but the only way to check some (eg
FYI, after reading this thread in the forum, I sent a message to the
registred user who converted the notes into POIs in OSM that he should
always verify first from a 2nd source what is reported by the "note",
whatever the author is anonymous or not. The argument about "most of
the notes are correc
On 12/02/2015 13:32, Dave F. wrote:
Thanks to both for the clarification. The way it was written it
implied bona fide editors were deliberately adding false POIs to catch
vandals.
I translated that bit; I added quotes to the German original and changed
the payoff to try and make it obvious th
No evidence. The comments were saying that vandalism is rare on OSM, that
the majority of the notes (and the mapping) is done in good faith, that a
small number of POIs added this way does not have a large impact, etc.
regards
p.s. I hope that I understood all comments correctly, French is not m
On 12/02/2015 13:37, Marc Gemis wrote:
The author was not describing the mappers as vandals, but he was
pointing to the people that create such notes in the hope some lazy
mappers would create non-existing POIs or make other changes that do
not correspond to the reality.
Has he given eviden
Thanks to both for the clarification. The way it was written it implied
bona fide editors were deliberately adding false POIs to catch vandals.
Now that I understand, I'm not sure they should be considered vandals.
There appears to be no malice, just incompetence & laziness.
Dave F.
On 12/
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:08:37 -0500,
Tom MacWright wrote:
> Ever since 2012, in the second commit ever, "Not breaking other
> people's data" has been one of the three clearly stated public design
> goals of iD.
Regarding this statement it is interesting that iD went live with no
graphic hints abou
As far as I see it:
The author says that it is pretty easy to vandalise OSM data, even without
creating an account. You just have to make a note with some fake
information and wait until an armchair mapper picks up the note, does no
verification on the ground and adds the POI.
He shows 2 notes tha
On 2015-02-12 13:13, Dave F. wrote:
Hi
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/2388
Under 'Community' there a bullet point titled "guide to vandalism” in
OSM?
As my French is very poor, could someone translate & expand on the
process. Why is "false POI" being added to notes? It seems similar to
entr
On 12/02/2015 11:53, Michael Kugelmann wrote:
On 12.02.2015 at 12:30 Richard Z. wrote:
came across a pretty major license violation and need technical
help and another pair of eyes to figure out what is going on.
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Data_working_group or
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/
Hi
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/2388
Under 'Community' there a bullet point titled "guide to vandalism” in OSM?
As my French is very poor, could someone translate & expand on the
process. Why is "false POI" being added to notes? It seems similar to
entrapment from what is written.
Dave F
On 12.02.2015 at 12:30 Richard Z. wrote:
came across a pretty major license violation and need technical
help and another pair of eyes to figure out what is going on.
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Data_working_group or
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group ?
http://www.osmfoundation
Hi,
came across a pretty major license violation and need technical
help and another pair of eyes to figure out what is going on.
Semi-confidential at this point.
Richard
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I know that some municipalities in the Philippines are using OSM data as a
foundational dataset. You should check with Jay-Ar (osm: jay-ar) for more info,
he was telling me about it.
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Severin Menard
wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there somewhere a colle
This example might be interesting:
http://kartor.lund.se/resejamforaren/start.htm
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Andreas Vilén
wrote:
> I have no sources right now but I know that Lund municipality in Sweden
> uses OSM in its daily work, if mentioned work does not require better
> precision t
I have no sources right now but I know that Lund municipality in Sweden
uses OSM in its daily work, if mentioned work does not require better
precision than what we can aquire.
/Andreas
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Severin Menard
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there somewhere a collection of use cases
Hi,
Is there somewhere a collection of use cases of OpenStreetMap data and
services by municipalities?
Sincerely,
Severin
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