Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 June 2010 12:22, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: When putting long rivers on the map eg Darling, Bidgee, Lachlan I routinely put the unsurveyed river at layer=-1 when i actually get there and find whether the road has a bridge, a punt or a ford to cross the road, then I do some changes to

Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 June 2010 13:31, Neil Penman ianaf4...@yahoo.com wrote: Only the vast majority of these were not sourced from Nearmap (except in some of the country areas not previously covered by Yahoo). They may have been updated by somebody using nearmap imagery, mostly trivial changes, but they

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Aid Organization

2010-06-06 Thread John Smith
On 6 June 2010 19:03, Alexander Menk menk-you.should.remove.this.for.permanent.cont...@mestrona.net wrote: how would you tag the offices of aid organizations such as Menschen für Menschen, UNICEF etc. Also there are somehow different classes of organizations and it might be interesting to

Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 June 2010 11:05, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: These are not assumed and need to be added. Most bridges and tunnels could be assumed when there is water involved, I'm pretty sure someone, might have been Steve, brought this up on the tagging list a few months ago. At this point

Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 June 2010 13:31, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I had thought that the consensus was that layer tags *are* assumed, at least in cases like highway/bridge crossing river. While that may have been decided on a mailing list, I'm not sure if anyone updated the wiki to reflect it, or

Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 June 2010 14:32, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Incidentally: how do current renderers (principally mapnik and osmarender) currently behave? Are any of these assumed defaults actually implemented, or have I got my wires crossed? Mapnik usually renders roads on top of other

Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 June 2010 14:18, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: The consensus may have been that all bridges and tunnels need to have a layer tag and that's what I'm looking at. I don't think the wiki was updated, then again consensus is limited to the group discussing it at the time.

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map

2010-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 June 2010 22:10, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 05/06/10 12:12, Jochen Topf wrote: Cloudmade uses OSM like everybody else under CC-BY-SA. They can't change that license, they can't restrict what you can do with it. But if I use their stylesheets and their site to generate

Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB

2010-06-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2010 21:15, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote: BTW I don't understand this stats http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Osmdbstats1.png could some one break it down for me in simple words ? GPS track points... ___ talk mailing list

[talk-au] Cheap EeePC

2010-06-04 Thread John Smith
There is a good deal going on a 10 touch screen EeePC: http://www.dailygizmo.com.au/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB

2010-06-04 Thread John Smith
The file is 9.3GiB -- Forwarded message -- From: Werner Hoch werner...@gmx.de Date: 4 June 2010 19:13 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB To: t...@openstreetmap.org On Donnerstag, 3. Juni 2010, John Smith wrote: I'd still like to know the actual stats of users v

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 16:07, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Keep the node (not because of the ID, but because of the POI meaning) and add the area as a non-named area with only tags to indicate usage. Optionally add them all in a relation. That way you keep the POI for POI collectors, you can

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 16:26, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, here is a humble suggestion, instead of giving *everything* unique id, I didn't actually mean everything in that sense, for example the nodes on a road don't all need unique IDs nor should they get

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 17:56, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: At the end, you just translate a lat/lon + tag to a number when you can simply request a tag by its lat/lon to an appropriate api. This doesn't cover the case of where a business moves... The unique ID already exists, it's the osm_id.

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 19:39, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: What external applications need from OSM is a persistent ID for persistent objects. If a business moves, then use a yellow page application to find the new address. Businesses are only one application, I'm not sure what 3rd party sites are

Re: [OSM-talk] transhumance routes

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 23:34, James Stewart j.k.stew...@ed.ac.uk wrote: In England they are called 'drovers' roads' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drovers'_road) en Australia 'stock routes', USA 'cattle trail', French 'chemin de transhumance'. When in doubt people usually opt for the UK english

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2010 00:07, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: *The node/way/relation gets tagged with uuid=*, where * is generated using an algorithm expected to create a universally unique id (I'll let someone more expert determine how, but I was thinking some sort of hash on the xml of the feature

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
To extend Anthony's idea slightly further it might be useful to create a bot script that if you want a UUID for an object in the OSM DB, it can tag the object with a new UUID and return that, or simply return the any existing UUIDs, this would take care of things like Flickr/osmfuel/wikipedia

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2010 00:20, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Hmm, on second thought, maybe that's not such a hot idea. There might be two different stores which are combined into one, and obviously we'd want to keep both uuids (otherwise they wouldn't be permanent). This may require multiple relations

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2010 00:38, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry to jump into this thread from hell, but you've touched on a question that's been unclear to me from the beginning of this discussion, which is What does an permanent object mean? There are no permanent objects in OSM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2010 00:58, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Yes. The way I see it, the permanent object/moral entity would be whatever you describe in the text. So if you put in the text the Texas School Book Depository, the uuid should move when the book depository moves. If you put in the text

Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 23:01, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: for the first time, this week's .osm.bz2 planet has an eleven-digit size (10026036818 bytes). That's up 20% from beginning of the year. In Do we really have to stoop to GB v GiB debate to make things look better? I'd still like

Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2010 04:32, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming my statistics are correct, there are 119071 users who have at least one changeset (excluding those users that are anonymous, as they don't turn up in the changesets). So about half of the number of accounts have done at

Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2010 05:23, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: Is there a way for you to check how many people have been editing in this bbox ([Lat/Lon][-17.5/-77][-56/-68]) in, lets say, the last week? JOSM has a changeset panel, which would give you duplicate users, and has

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2010 00:20, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Hmm, on second thought, maybe that's not such a hot idea. There might be two different stores which are combined into one, and obviously we'd want to keep both uuids (otherwise they wouldn't be permanent). David Dean has suggested Flickr

Re: [OSM-talk] 2D Barcodes for locations

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2010 13:17, si...@mungewell.org wrote: QR-Codes and DataMatrix have limitations in how much data and what type of data can be stored, which results in varying sized barcodes. The limitations of QR codes, if we embed a URL, should be plenty, even without any compression, eg:

Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 17:36, Eraina and Richard jenkins richardvk...@gmail.com wrote: Your email promted me to look on the back of my #701. It says, inter alia ... +9.5V DC 2.315A 22W. Certainly NOT a good idea to just connect it to a 12 volt battery. Power needs to be regulated , capable of at

[talk-au] Object ID Permenence

2010-06-03 Thread John Smith
Thanks to David and James (on this list) and Anthony from the main talk list for feedback, we've come up with a proposal on giving objects in the OSM DB one or more unique IDs which unlike regular OSM IDs can be shifted from nodes to areas as they are changed. This proposal will probably not have

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 June 2010 17:32, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: 'Safe' for pedestrians to use is simply undefinable as we have already decided when trying to identify URBAN areas where one would not walk on one's own! MAPS I disagree that this is an undefinable problem, as I pointed out before

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 June 2010 18:49, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: As others have said, foot=no when pedestrians are legally allowed is a I was one of them if you check my replies. bad idea. As long as you walk against traffic, drivers will usually see you, and you can easily see and get out of

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 June 2010 22:06, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I agree that foot_unsafe=yes would probably be a good compromise, as it would say, yes, you can go this way, but it is risky.. This would be particularly suitable for routes that are riskier under some conditions than others,

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 June 2010 23:03, Henry Loenwind he...@loenwind.info wrote: routing:hints:bike:comment=foot traffic avoidance costs time Looks good, except I'd use note instead of comment, only because it is more commonly used already. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 00:15, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: They could always require people to log in. Or require people to log in if they want to put up with the annoying terms and conditions only once. This woman is claiming she wasn't warned the route might be bad, so to ensure that people don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 00:24, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: This woman is claiming she wasn't warned the route might be bad, so to ensure that people don't forget they agreed to view the warning only once, everyone will be forced to view it every time regardless. Really? Do you have a link for that?

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 10:04, si...@mungewell.org wrote: The 'shortlink' does not describe an object with OSM, it describes a location on the planet (akin to a lat/long). Yup, exactly, and it doesn't describe a level in the case of a multilevel building, both above and below ground.

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 10:24, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: If you want a QR code, I understand these are usually(always?) just internet URLs converted into a 2D barcode. For this you can use http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/125847545 QR codes are 2 dimension matrix that store

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 10:52, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Does anyone have a good solution for this? That's what this thread is about, printing out stickers that have their own unique ID, then tagging objects with that ID... ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 11:45, si...@mungewell.org wrote: or which door bell to press, or the phone number, or The phone number can already be added to objects, but at this point in time there is no ID permanence, which would be useful. As an added bonus it would be some free advertising for OSM.

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 12:57, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: I have no problem with giving things a permid. But seriously, we can't go around slapping stickers on the physical world. It's called vandalism. I did say and ask business owners to put them up in their windows in my first

[talk-au] China issues new rules on Internet map publishing

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
BEIJING, May 19 -- An updated standard for Internet map servers will be implemented next month to avoid state secrets being disclosed and uncertified maps published online, authorities have said. The new standard issued by the State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping, one year after the first

Re: [talk-au] Making a Laptop GPS

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 June 2010 20:59, Eraina and Richard jenkins richardvk...@gmail.com wrote: I have in mind a project that involves making my old laptop into a large-screen GPS. Maybe someone on this list can refer me to where this has been mentioned before. My OS of choice is linux, but the laptop will

Re: [talk-au] Making a Laptop GPS

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 June 2010 21:14, bened...@cortado.de wrote: I'm using Google Earth (data cashed via script) and my Garmin 60csx connected through GPSgate. The GE cache is limited to 2GB. That's not enough for whole NSW in high res, but for about 20x60km in highest detail level. Don't know if you are

Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 13:31, Eraina and Richard jenkins richardvk...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Where is there a tutorial/howto/whatever for Navit. For me it comes up with a blank screen ... and no maps. I did attempt to download some maps for SE Australia ... so, how do I proceed from this point??

Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)

2010-06-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 June 2010 14:00, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 June 2010 13:31, Eraina and Richard jenkins richardvk...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Where is there a tutorial/howto/whatever for Navit. For me it comes up with a blank screen ... and no maps. I did attempt to download

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 17:04, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: That's an interesting article. But the details are sketchy: 300,000 out of a total of how many ? Are there any controlled studies where I don't think there needs another total, I'm guessing people blamed the accident on their satnav when

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 22:33, Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com wrote: 2...Had a look at that American road in Google Satelitte (http://tinyurl.com/33dvn78) If I was that women I'd be more worried about the colour of the Golf Courses. That's the most unnatural shade of green I've ever seen.

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 June 2010 12:04, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: So, technically, here in Florida, walking on the roadway when there is a shoulder available (and practicable) would be illegal. Interestingly, shoulder does not seem to be defined in the law, but I've always assumed it meant the part of the

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-06-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 June 2010 12:08, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: this reminds me of a situation i've come across in auckland, which i don't know the solution to. there's a major road, which apparently has three names: The Strand (on signposts) Shipwright Lane (on different signposts)

[OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-01 Thread John Smith
It's come up in the past about unique IDs for objects, some people use OSM IDs for this, however someone has come up with a different way to do this, make a QR code and stick it to the object and use the QR codes ID number:

Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID

2010-06-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 June 2010 13:16, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: You stole my id ;) I have used osm stickers + ids for that. Any suggestions on mass producing them? A photo is on the wiki ;) URL? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Flash to JS+SVG ?

2010-06-01 Thread John Smith
Tumbleweed writes How to make Steve Jobs your mortal enemy: Smokescreen, a 175KB, 8,000-line JavaScript-based Flash player written by Chris Smoak at RevShock, a mobile ad startup, and to be open-sourced 'in the near future.' From Simon's blog: 'It runs entirely in the browser, reads in SWF

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 May 2010 18:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: so you're suggesting to map borders as single unconnected nodes (some/many of these which are marked on the ground)? Nope, I'm just saying that there is a variety of method to mark borders (or border crossings) on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Guatemala

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 May 2010 17:07, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote: (By the way, it seems that natural=volcano does not render in Mapnik). you could cheat: natural=peak volcano=yes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Guatemala

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 May 2010 21:49, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: You should not cheat. Just like they shouldn't have cheated in Haiti with the temporary red cross locations? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
Hugh Pickens writes The Toronto Star reports that a Utah woman is suing Google for more than $100,000 in damages, claiming its maps function gave her walking directions that led her onto a major highway, where she was struck by a car. Lauren Rosenberg sought directions between two addresses in

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 07:29, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have already found it saves me some embarassment. In this case it doesn't matter if there

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 09:39, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Another article on the same topic, http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212 I wonder if she's eligible for an honourable mention from the darwin awards?

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 09:52, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote: Still, even if they breached the duty of care, the injured woman will still need to establish that the breach was a cause of her injury. The only thing that is new in all this is pedestrian routing, people have been following

Re: [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 09:39, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Another article on the same topic, http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212 I wonder if she's eligible for an honourable mention from the darwin awards?

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 May 2010 15:39, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If the dispute can not be resolved through discussion, then the simple default rule is that whatever name, designation, etc are used by the people on the ground at that location are used in the non-localized tags. Isn't that kinda asking for

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 May 2010 23:17, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: From what I can tell, it was actually the solution to such an edit war. How map what the people on the ground say turned into map what's on the ground, I can't figure out. Seems like it would logically go the other way round, from map what

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 May 2010 23:12, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Why? By my reading it is to quiet such edit wars, so the exact Why... simple, you can't verify what is in someone's brain as true, at best you get a consensus, but that may be limited in scope, I guess it comes down to the

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 May 2010 08:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: +1, we already map stuff that is not found on the ground but still fits perfectly into our data (e.g. borders). Borders isn't a good example, some/many of these are marked on the ground, even if it's just a sign such as

[talk-au] Road restrictions

2010-05-30 Thread John Smith
There is a lot of places in Australia road trains and b-doubles are allowed or disallowed, but no one had documented any tags on the wiki for anything as big as a regular semi-trailer, let alone B-Doubles or Road Trains, Road trains aren't usually allowed on the east coast further east than the

Re: [talk-au] Road restrictions

2010-05-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 May 2010 11:55, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, I think it makes sense to tag this kind of thing with australian-specific tags, as you have done. According to wikipedia they aren't specific to Australia, just the road legal ones are. OTOH, I wonder about the

Re: [OSM-talk] We need urgently a clarification between place locality, farm and isolated_dwelling

2010-05-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 19:00, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Good to see that nobody cares about the wiki inconsistencies of 'locality'. Then I will fix it directly with the 'unpopulated place' version. Good to see you waited a couple of days to see if people would reply before assuming no one

Re: [OSM-talk] [proposal] Default values in a relation definition

2010-05-28 Thread John Smith
I wouldn't use the '' symbol as it might be a value, not sure what to use instead. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] High-Tech Burglars May Get Longer Sentences In Louisiana

2010-05-28 Thread John Smith
Hugh Pickens writes Burglars and terrorists should be careful not to use Google Maps if they plan on committing crimes in the state of Louisiana. Nola reports that a bill approved 89-0 by the Louisiana House will require that judges impose an additional minimum sentence of at least 10 years on

[talk-au] High-Tech Burglars May Get Longer Sentences In Louisiana

2010-05-28 Thread John Smith
Hugh Pickens writes Burglars and terrorists should be careful not to use Google Maps if they plan on committing crimes in the state of Louisiana. Nola reports that a bill approved 89-0 by the Louisiana House will require that judges impose an additional minimum sentence of at least 10 years on

Re: [OSM-talk] How to extract national borders?

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 08:35, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote: I tried using XAPI to look for ../*[admin_level=2], or .../*[admin_level=2][boundary=administrative] or relation[admin_level=2], but all took so long that I stopped them and were producing OSM files that were hunderds of MB big. So

Re: [OSM-talk] stream mode digitizing in JOSM?

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 12:52, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: When editing coastlines and very long rivers, I get some wrist strain How does a graphics tablet compare when needing to plot a large number of points? Alternatively there is a plugin in JOSM to map waterways, no idea how

Re: [OSM-talk] stream mode digitizing in JOSM?

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 13:19, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: No Idea, I don't have one. I just did a couple of searches on alternatives to mice, apparently it's pretty trivial to use a joystick as a mouse on linux under Xorg and there is some apps for windows that can also turn

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 15:07, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I came across one of these (Holmesglen TAFE, Moorabbin). Was I supposed to do anything more than move it to what appears to be the actual tower (nearmap) and remove the fixme:to_be_reviewed (or whatever) tag? Unless you have

[OSM-talk] US to spend $8bn upgrading GPS constellation

2010-05-26 Thread John Smith
The United States is about to give the now nearly ubiquitous Global Positioning System an $8 billion overhaul. The improvements, which involve replacing each of the 24 aging GPS satellites, are estimated to take over a decade to complete, and will see the triangulation margin of error decrease

Re: [OSM-talk] US to spend $8bn upgrading GPS constellation

2010-05-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 May 2010 21:41, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-gps-20100523,0,3054578.story?page=1 Can someone explain to me why an ATM would need a GPS in order to dispense cash? Or why Wall Street needs it to trade? These things are stationary. Dunno about

Re: [OSM-talk] US to spend $8bn upgrading GPS constellation

2010-05-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 May 2010 23:01, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: I would assume that implementing NTP in software is cheaper. ATMs are wired into a bank's network. And do you really need hundreths of a second accuracy for an ATM transaction? And how about ATMs that are indoors and can't get a lock?

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] US to spend $8bn upgrading GPS constellation

2010-05-26 Thread John Smith
On 27 May 2010 09:21, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Why would a parking meter need a GPS? It doesn't move around. Same reason banking, the timing source, although surely NTP would be good enough, as per the article GPS goes out and some hospital looses it's emergency pager system

Re: [OSM-talk] Navigation Debug Map Style Available

2010-05-26 Thread John Smith
On 27 May 2010 12:57, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I like this idea. Is it easy to determine, programmatically, whether an object is geographically within a relation boundary? PostGIS makes this fairly easy to do, which is why is_in was made irrelevant, you can use ST_Within() and

[talk-au] US to spend $8bn upgrading GPS constellation

2010-05-26 Thread John Smith
The United States is about to give the now nearly ubiquitous Global Positioning System an $8 billion overhaul. The improvements, which involve replacing each of the 24 aging GPS satellites, are estimated to take over a decade to complete, and will see the triangulation margin of error decrease

Re: [OSM-talk] Random Hacks of Kindness

2010-05-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 May 2010 18:35, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: We'll have a group here in Nairobi ready to work on something. Any ideas for a good project for RHOK? I didn't notice OSM listed in the group of supporting companies/organisations... ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Random Hacks of Kindness

2010-05-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 May 2010 02:51, Thea Clay t...@cloudmade.com wrote: Hi Y’all I know some of the folks organizing RHoK so I’ll find out more details about the bounds of projects and post back to the list later today. This isn't so much a request for RHoK but HOT or maybe this is the same thing. I

Re: [talk-au] T-Shirts

2010-05-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 May 2010 19:39, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: You can also buy a special Iron-On Transfer paper at specialist paper supply shops, and print your own design, using any standard inkjet printer. Works really well, as long as you remember to mirror-reverse any text. Works out at a

Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline

2010-05-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 May 2010 20:01, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: Are you able to explain how to check easily with JOSM if part of the coastline is missing? JOSM often complains too much about missing or lacking coastlines... With reading about all the rendering problems with coastline not being a

Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline

2010-05-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 May 2010 20:28, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: You still haven't explained how to check the whole coastline is joined with JOSM. You mensioned JOSM has a validation checker that should be used for this kind of thing. Click to display the validation plugin panel or press Alt+Shift+V

Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]

2010-05-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 May 2010 03:07, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I received this follow-up email to a query about some strange tagging. I thought it was worth throwing out there to get the lists opinion on the appropriate way to tag this road. In summary, it is 21km long and is one-way for

Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]

2010-05-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 May 2010 08:09, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 May 2010 03:07, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I received this follow-up email to a query about some strange tagging. I thought it was worth throwing out there to get the lists opinion on the appropriate way

Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia

2010-05-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 May 2010 06:17, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: Can you point out some specific road names that Yahoo have copied from OSM? Wasn't it Flickr doing the copying? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org

2010-05-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 May 2010 00:38, Jaak Laineste jaak.laine...@gmail.com wrote: more) to OSM database in more data source-friendly way. I just don't imagine road authorities to use plain potlach or JOSM to post today's works every morning to us. And a special rendering layout, very similar to the recent

Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia

2010-05-24 Thread John Smith
I just got round to reading the blog/PR post about it, they said: Nokia will be the exclusive, global provider of Yahoo!’s maps and navigation services, integrating Ovi Maps across Yahoo! properties, branded as “powered by Ovi.” Doesn't sound like yahoo will be retaining any of their existing

[OSM-talk] Random Hacks of Kindness

2010-05-24 Thread John Smith
Elizabeth Sabet writes Google, Microsoft, NASA, The World Bank, and Yahoo! are unlikely partners, but they are bringing together the best and brightest in disaster relief management and the ever-growing hacker community in a progressive initiative called Random Hacks of Kindness. Its mission is to

Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline

2010-05-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 May 2010 09:28, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Because I don't understand What are the disadvantages of using a relation? relations that big often have side effects when software can't handle it, even the OSM website itself times out when trying to show big relations.

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 May 2010 18:35, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 23 May 2010 01:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is completely relative to context

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 May 2010 18:46, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know why. Places where one person, 2 persons, one family live, The same reason cultural difference effect the language people uses and get used to calling things. A spanner isn't always a spanner, some times it's

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 May 2010 02:40, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: mentioned here. There is enough indication that lot of people want to see this clarified. Or at least a voicetress minority making enough noise to push it through, if this tag is so popular why is there only 42 instances of it in

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 May 2010 06:05, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: Or at least a voicetress minority making enough noise to push it through, if this tag is so popular why is there only 42 instances of it in use? And what is the actuall difference against the slightly more popular residence with

Re: [talk-au] T-Shirts

2010-05-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 May 2010 21:50, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: interested, I don't have any designs in mind, or any other planning. Thanks to Sam for pointing out this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tshirt_competition Also Harvey Norman via fujifilmimagine.com will do full colour

Re: [talk-au] Austalian Coastline

2010-05-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 May 2010 09:48, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: I thought it was about time someone linked the Australian coastline to relations. Why do they need to be in a relation? I was amazed how many errors I needed to fix along the way including reversed coastline. You should now be seeing a

Re: [OSM-talk] scuba dive sites

2010-05-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 May 2010 19:27, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen some dive sites tagged as place=locality AFAIK, place=locality indicates a place where people stay... Where does it say that on the wiki? From Map_Features page: An unpopulated, named place.

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 May 2010 20:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO the isolated in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether So place=farm, isolated=yes ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 May 2010 01:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is completely relative to context)? You can see that a place is isolated (given completeness of the map ;-) ). Maybe I was unclear above, I see I made that

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