Re: [OSM-talk] Sidewalk symmetry

2018-04-24 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Ed Loach wrote: >where there is a verge so narrow you can step across it without stepping on >the grass. Unless you're with a walker, a pram or a stroller, or in a wheelchair. > or put arbitrary joining ways at intervals. Only useful where there's a real connection anyway, i.e. a route starts f

Re: [OSM-talk] Traffic Signs

2015-09-30 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Marc Gemis wrote: > AFAIK the Fins are already adding all traffic signs, see [1]. The Dutch made > [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Finland:Traffic_signs In my experience collecting the signs exhaustively has revealed smaller and bigger errors in osm data, and also in the signs (say, "leakin

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

2015-09-10 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > the world is not black and white This (or some other message) reminded of one other very accepted case where the verifiability could be contested, but isn't. People do map underground pipelines (water, drain, heat etc.), either interpolating between manholes or markers

Re: [OSM-talk] old_name

2015-09-10 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
On Tue moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > If you go that route, there's no limit to how far back an old name can > go. That'd mean that we should add, for example, all of [Dublin's old > names][1] to the osm object, since they are well documented. It would Reading any old document or fiction would benefit

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

2015-09-08 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Dave F. wrote: > A 'life story' is historical. Historical doesn't mean 'gone'. Then that data shouldn't be 'gone' but just with a different key/tag, especially as long as the not-gone object exists. -- alv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

2015-09-08 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > that it is constructed as a railway bridge? Is there any difference? > > Historical data should not be added and if present - removed. If anyone can add descriptive attributes of present features on present-in-osm objects, they shouldn't be deleted. A tag saying "this wa

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-08-27 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
(I hadn't subscribed to this list, so the reply is to a seemingly random message and not directly related to that) I believe much of this recent discussion is happening because there's a ... misconception that hasn't been addressed, and the actual tags that have been mentioned suggest readers to b

Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Data in OSM database

2010-11-13 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I think this has to be done, and it can be done. We could invent a way to flag stuff that we remove because it ceased to exist as such, and The solution that works right now, even if it is a bit laborous sometimes: first prepend all keys with "was:" or "past:" (for e

[OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
It's not detailled enough. A path is too narrow for a 4 wheels vehicle like a car but not for a 2 wheels vehicle like a moped or a motorbike (or no While that is often true, the criteria goes the other way: - if the way is too narrow to fit a car (hey, my summer car is only 1.48 m wide) or a t

[OSM-talk] Name tags on sidewalks and on cycleways next to a road

2010-03-15 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Some places are mapped thoroughly enough that we're adding sidewalks, and cycleways on the sidewalk (or Copenhagen style cycleways, as they've been called on this list) as separate ways. Generally these don't have a separate name. At least when the cycleway/footway deviates away from the road, eve

[OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-04 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Richard Mann wrote: >then yes they probably will get converted into tags on the road, just as >soon as that renders properly. Rendering gain trumps notional information >loss. The Danes are just ahead of the curve. I think they have been too eager to discourage drawing the cycleways separately. Th

[OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
I think we've seen (several times) the different meanings given in the wiki guidelines in different languages/ for different countries; there's little to gain from discussing them over again _until_ someone makes a proposal to clear the issue with well written explanations. But I want to note

[OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-12 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Lambert Carsten wrote: >sense. Even though the smaller road ends at the edge of the larger road >not the middle of the road. Inside the crossing area the roads overlap, neither ends there - you're on both roads. But you're not on the bridge that starts only several meters away - or inches away if

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Roy Wallace wrote: >I have no idea what you would consider "suitable for the common >cyclist". Please, at least write the criteria down. Since it's the not signposted ways that are not evident and a common cyclist is not looking for mountain bike trails, I'll try: shout if you disagree. Absolut

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Nop wrote: > This is a rather lenient definition that is unsuitable to depict the > German use case. That is exactly the reason for the confusion we are > having. If something is tagged as a cycleway and I am planning to walk > on foot, I need > to know whether it is an unsig

[OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-11 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Quote Key:highway: "It is a very general and sometimes vague description of the importance of the highway." (Was until last week:) " ... of the physical structure of the highway". Either way, the highway tag itself should (IMO) convey they primary description of the highway - the distinction bet

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-11 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Shaun McDonald wrote: >> As fine as it as a guideline, verifiability as a topic and was > Even so the on the ground rule and verifiability have not been on the wiki > for long. They have been the unwritten norms of the community since the I'm all for referring to that verifiability where it come

[OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-11 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Roy Wallace wrote: >Is tagging the "primary users intended to use the way" verifiable? If >not, it shouldn't be tagged. If it is, then is footway/cycleway As fine as it as a guideline, verifiability as a topic and was introduced into the wiki only in 2009, while footway and cycleway have been suc

[OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-10 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Nop wrote: >I think we should step back one step. >The discussion here seems about to fall victim to the same mechanisms Trying to keep my comment general at first to find what are the needs: what should be in the highway tag and what are "local factors". This turned into a stream of thoughts but

Re: [OSM-talk] Highways tagging vs Polygon

2009-05-23 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Radomir Cernoch wrote: >> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=60.18933&lon=24.9642&zoom=18 >I do not >think that streets like Sturenkatu or Teollisuuskatu, nor any of >connected primary/secondary/tertiary form a "zone". I would suggest to >define a "zone" as an "area with predominantly uniform traffic >r

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines

2008-11-25 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
=barangay ? -- Lauri Kytömaa --- Leppäsuonkatu 7 A 32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 00100 Helsinki http://www.iki.fi/lkmaa/ - 040-7580434 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] footway vs. path [Was: highway=track and motorcar=yes/no]

2008-11-07 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
>> Are paths larger than footways? >> Is it for paths required that any other vehicle/horse can use the path >> otherwise it is a footway? >There is no defined physical difference between footway and path. The >difference is that footways are primarily or exclusively for use by foot >traffic, w

[OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-04 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
>So: Someone thought that dropping the well-established and well-working >highway=footway was a good idea. He or she seems to have managed to >convince people to actually *change* existing data to fit his new idea, >without, obviously, spending a second thinking about the data consumers >(i.e.

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-16 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
m to appear in correct width. This might not be the case for very narrow or wide streets, though. -- Lauri Kytömaa --- Leppäsuonkatu 7 A 32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 00100 Helsinki http://www.iki.fi/lkmaa/ - 040-7580434 ___

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - maxspeed=none

2008-10-13 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Hi, The proposed feature for specifically acknowledgind a value of none for the tag maxspeed has been in voting but has not been voted upon 15 times and is therefore re-introduced to this list. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/maxspeed_none