Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Gorm E. Johnsen osml...@gorm.cc wrote: Today there is 5500 ways with highway=unsurfaced  (Taginfo). They seem to be evenly spread over the planet and was depreciated almost three years ago. I would like to replace them with something better. I was thinking The

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn left restriction on two way highways

2011-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:08 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Nic. AFAIK there are no defaults in OSM, not UK ones, and not others. Any not given Information is simply not yet entered. Are you not aware of this:

[OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
I've just had my attention drawn to these lines in the minutes from 11-12 Dec: The Board unanimously agrees that it is time to move forward after several years of work on the new license. ... The OSMF board mandates the LWG to enforce mandatory acceptance of the CT and ODBL in order to edit the

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it;     http://bit.ly/ii3cKg Might have generated useful data to have the option I don't have a smart phone. Seemed to be a bit

[talk-au] Locations of underground creeks

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, I was having a look at trying to connect the end of scotchman's creek in Melbourne with where it runs into Gardiner's Creek. It disappears underground here: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.88404,145.090248z=21t=knmd=20101120 And reappears here:

[talk-au] What's happening in April? (was: Re: Suitable Garmin GPS Devices)

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On being able to add to the data - note that there is a split in the community over the new licence for OSM and some substantial contributors to the Australian map will provide no more data to OSM after April Fool's Day.

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn left restriction on two way highways

2010-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I know it may look like a lot of work adding all the no_left_turns, but it's the right way. I have to disagree. OSM happens to have started in the UK, but that doesn't mean that UK defaults make sense everywhere. If it had

Re: [talk-au] airports import

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Liz, The airport import has been discussed on OSM-talk - see Massive import of airports thread. If the imported data represents genuine airstrips, then it sounds like they belong in OSM, but perhaps with different tags. Maybe xxx airstrip rather than xxx airport. PS Would you mind toning

Re: [talk-au] airports import

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:12 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Many small towns in regional areas have (or at least had) airstrips that are public, I'm guessing most of the ones Liz is referring to are private. Are private airstrips not wanted? It's not hard to imagine situations

Re: [talk-au] airports import

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:11 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I can't remember which side you fell on, but wouldn't this fall into the same category as private pools? or private tennis courts... etc? Yeah, though I think the case might be stronger for airstrips. One reason that

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap @ 27c3

2010-12-26 Thread Steve Bennett
To save everyone the googling effort, 27C3 is apparently the 27th instance of the Chaos Computer Club, a German hackers' club. (I can't believe they're still around...) http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/Main_Page Steve 2010/12/27 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: Hi, I'm proud to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I usually put a note=created from relation xyz or so on the new object, so Ah, cool. Maybe it's worth using a standard tag for this, as suggested in another thread. Like created_from=xxx Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Converting buildings from nodes to ways

2010-12-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Laurence Penney l...@lorp.org wrote: * Is there a tagging convention to record node-way conversion, i.e. what was this way's predecessor_node? I think it would be worthwhile to use relations here, to also address the general issue of different representations

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:23 AM, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: Would application of notions described in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/True_Offset_Process (i.e. recording of offsets in a formal manner) be practical and useful here?  I have not reviewed all messages in this thread, so I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: That's another area wide open to discussion; my interpretation of I consider my contributions PD has always been: I don't claim any rights in what I contribute. - not: I vouch for nobody holding any rights in what I

Re: [OSM-talk] Did Googles map quality recently degrade?

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: We should have some serious evidence before we start making accusations like that. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8ll=51.73157,3.94686spn=0.002422,0.004206z=18 Look in the history of openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of Bing imagery visualised

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Steve Chilton s.l.chil...@mdx.ac.uk wrote: Have done a quick render to show the effect of using Bing imagery to get building outlines. The two illustrations are for the Borough of Enfield (using today's geofabrik data file). The larger shapes are

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:19 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If you can map a street in just five seconds, using just three clicks and a keypress, this implies that you are mapping just the end points, with just a calculated line between them.  Very few streets in the world

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:18 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I took your description of what you were doing at face value.  Being a borderline-Asperger's type, I am sometimes a bit too literal-minded. Oh I see. That makes sense - will bear in mind for the future. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo news: Daily updates and wiki integration

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: The second news is the wiki integration. If you go to a wiki page describing a key or tag (such as http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway or http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=residential ) you´ll see some

[talk-au] Victorian bike paths

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
I've just been updating this list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria,_Australia/Bike_paths#Gippsland We're in pretty good shape. Of the significant rail trails around the state, the only two major gaps are the Great Southern Rail Trail (mapped to about 40%) and the Crater to

Re: [OSM-talk] Did Googles map quality recently degrade?

2010-12-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: On the Dutch mailinglist/IRC I have raised the point why Google Maps was always upgraded like within weeks after we did. With different information though. Like OpenStreetMap is used as a Teleatlas-Bugs or something

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:27 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes, in you example you would have 100 wrong streets. I'm not believing your numbers btw.: I doubt that you can only visit and map 10 streets with the effort you have to put 1000 streets from orthofotos (1%).

Re: [OSM-talk] Did Googles map quality recently degrade?

2010-12-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: IIRC, they dumped TeleAtlas about a year ago, in favor of a combination of PD and other cheaply-licensed sources. The quality downgrade was immediate and lasting. They hope that the crowd will correct it for them,

Re: [talk-au] mapping marsh at the edge of a bay

2010-12-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: For example, http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.03275lon=151.13694zoom=17layers=M Along the edge of the bay/water there is land-- | --trees in water-- | -- water  A                  B                C In

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how toincrease OSM awareness.

2010-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com wrote: If I have to pay to try the offline maps, not sure about it. The reviews say the feature doesn't work and I don't want to pay (I know, it's just $2.99) to find that out. My partner was unwilling to try it for the same

[OSM-talk] What was that website that showed recent edits?

2010-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Sorry for this dopey question. Quite a few months ago, someone posted about a website (a UK mapping company from memory) that, amongst other things, had some visualisations of recent edits to OSM: colour code by user, or by time of edit, or by kind of tag, etc. So you could see, narcissisticly,

Re: [OSM-talk] What was that website that showed recent edits?

2010-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: http://www.itoworld.com/static/osm_mapper.html OSM Mapper A similar tool is OpenStreetMap Watch List (OWL) http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/owl_viewer/ That was the one, thanks! Steve

Re: [talk-au] Does this mean?.....

2010-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Since taking a photo of something entails little or no independent intellectual effort, In what context? Obviously artistic photography is copyrightable. Also I believe that the following actions also entail little or

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: it to receive. I think I have a solution how we could expose it to more users with OpenMaps for iOS. How? Just launch OpenMaps, find your favorite bar/pub/restaurant/etc. on the map, tap on it (yes, in contrast with Maps

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:04 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion is simply about the quality level: are you satisfied with probable information derived from an aerial photo depicting the situation some years ago, or do you want to insert only information you

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: +1, and you can't see restrictions, surface quality and material, oneways, etc. on them. That's why there is highway=road. You should avoid to tag highway=specific-highway-class if you don't know the location

Re: [OSM-talk] new version of Bing aerial imagery analyzer tool

2010-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
Nifty - that's really interesting information I wouldn't have thought of asking for. Steve On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I just replaced the Bing aerial imagery analyzer tool with a new version. http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is this click through agreement compatible with OSM?

2010-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Gregory Arenius greg...@arenius.com wrote: I read this as saying that the terms of use, which are there as a hold harmless waiver, don't grant any rights.  It specifically states that if the city is claiming copyright on the data it will do so in the file or on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is this click through agreement compatible with OSM?

2010-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Gregory Arenius greg...@arenius.com wrote: city changed the click through to address those problems.  The agreement is located here: http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp. See this clause: These Terms of Use do not grant You any title or right to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Culture (was: Bing maps is misplaced)

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: On this particular point, I think some of the resistance to having Policies of this nature is that where you have Laws, you get Lawyers whose job it is to find ways of breaking the spirit of those policies

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: But _intensive_ tracing can and does kill people's motivation. Doesn't matter whether you think the people are misguided or pompous, it happens. I've seen it in Worcester, in the East Midlands, in Northern Ireland.

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Threatened Species Map

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: You can help! Maps wanted for Wikipedia, Commons but data available for OSM. see : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:IUCN_red_list Very strange. If I understand correctly, they want individuals to

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: This is simply because we are at the voluntary phase of agreeing with the CT right now. If you wholeheartedly agree with the CT, then you can indicate your preference right now. When we are at the mandatory phase,

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
You should not map from the Bing imagery area you know nothing more about. Why do people such make bold, absolutist statements like this with no policy to back them up? There is no policy that says anything of the sort. The above sentence is one author's opinion. It would be a very good thing

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. If there's consensus for this view, get it documented on the wiki, and call it policy. Otherwise, it's just yet another round of pointless You must

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Partially a rhetorical question... What would the project do if someone uploaded data to OSM and then said they had not agreed to contributing the data under CC-BY-SA? In case you're misinterpreting my request: I

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I mean, am I the only one that thinks inventing commandments and yelling them at each other is pointless? I should apologise here for picking on two innocent individuals. I was trying to offer a criticism of the culture

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM, davespod osmli...@dellams.fastmail.fm wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 See item 3.* Very interesting. That line was added by Ben in January 2009, and that sentence hasn't been touched since. So the question arises: does the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, thanks for the replies. I'll reply to specific, pertinent bits. 2010-08-13 01:44:38.6323 UTC Thanks. (Might be worth showing this in the GUI.) If Nearmap is CC-BY-SA, they're compatible now. Wrong. You're not operating in a totally difference licensing mode, the work is licensed

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: This is really a policy issue I think. I've replied to everything else on the legal list, but to get back to the original issue: you seem to be in a position to change the flag on my account, but need authorisation from someone.

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:14 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Failing that, maybe its time that more people started doing what Im doing.  Im quite an active mapper, as its something I enjoy doing with my time.  What Ive been doing for the past couple of months, is only making minor

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Jaak, do you know that you can change the offset in most editors? Potlatch2 and JOSM. I suppose in Merkaartor too, but I don't know for sure. But how do you know which direction to offset and by how much? Is the Bing imagery really

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: We could add per-country or per-geographical-area rules about what the 'default' language is.  But that seems like the wrong answer, and would give the wrong result in many cases. Seems like the right answer to me. There are

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: with and what they aren't. I don't think the Bing people have clearly stated what they consider acceptable and what they don't. It would be a very strange world if Steve Coast announced that OSM could use Bing maps,

[OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, So, this is awkward. According to my profile, I've agreed to the new Contributor Terms. I have no recollection of having done so, and obviously I don't want to agree to them while they're incompatible with Nearmap. Sadly, the GUI doesn't tell me when this flag was set, nor does it provide a

Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin

2010-11-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: But you are right in questioning my above quip because as far as I know (and I don't follow it too closely) Then kindly STFU. Is that unreasonable? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah, I dont pay in money, I pay in code and data. Does that count? Also I payed in trips all over to collect data, dinners with people, etc etc. Why do I need to pay money to a bank account so that I have a

Re: [talk-au] OSMF Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:48 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: outcomes arent published back into the minutes.  Do the various working groups publish their own minutes or decisions, or do we just find out what they decide after the changes have taken place, such as the JOSM/Nearmap

Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin

2010-11-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I find that it scares me that OSM tools are being locked down. One we have flash tools that need a non free runtime, and developers who dont give a damn, then we have this silverlight drama about to unfold.

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: 1. OSMF needs a written out strategic plan. Hear, hear. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin

2010-11-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Warning, if you use this imagery, you will most likely not be able to agree to the CTs at any time in the future. When OSM changes its license, all your contributions will be have to be removed from the live OSM

Re: [talk-au] MS imagery

2010-11-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually all editors are ready to go as soon as we know the legal circumstances. So people will be able to use their favorite editors to access Bing imagery. That said, until we have the legalese, we should avoid

Re: [talk-au] MS imagery

2010-11-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: It's quite possible that they might end up saying - yes it can be done, but not in certain areas, or some similar restriction.  They get imagery from a range of suppliers, and would have to check that they are not breaking

[talk-au] MS imagery

2010-11-24 Thread Steve Bennett
MS allowing imagery to be used is great news, particularly in the (temporary?) absence of Nearmap: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1602/how-can-i-use-microsofts-aerial-imagery-in-potlatch Having a quick skim in one area, they obviously don't have the detail of Nearmap but it's still

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:41 PM, steve brown st...@evolvedlight.co.uk wrote: The gpx uploader does support them as long as they are in the right format. Potlatch also supports them and shows them like temporary nodes. So...what's the right format? I have a feeling I've been down this road

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: You can upload waypoints with GPX file, but only if the same GPX file has at least one formally valid track. Formally valid means that the track has timestamps. You can add a fake track into your GPX waypoint

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Next option - is there someone here who could do this for me? I have about 10 or so waypoint files. Maybe some brilliant JOSM user can show me how it's done. Err, if so: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/OSM/waypoints

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:11 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Thats fine for data that is sourced from NearMap.  What about other data sources, such as imports and the like?  Having said that, if the CTs are accepted by one group, Im sure theyll be accepted by most, as it seems

Re: [talk-au] license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: OK worst case: Suppose that (and similar) data got deleted. Suppose there are enough people prepared to trust OSM afterwards to re-map the parts that can be remapped. What happens in the 2-3 years it takes to get back

Re: [OSM-talk] using wiktionary.org on map feature pages

2010-11-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Surely it will just reinforce the idea that tag keys and values should be interpreted as their literal dictionary meanings, which for many of our tags is completely wrong. Seconding this. The definition of power=pylon is

Re: [talk-au] license change map

2010-11-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Certainly, it unfortunately appears that there will be whole villages/towns that will remain red.  These will need to be resurveyed. I believe that this will take about one year (or maybe two at the most) but

[talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote: For most people involved in OSM it is an enjoyable hobby, and that is why they do it.  Data comes and goes, and I can't expect the data I enter to live for time immemorial.  Of all the areas of that I mapped back in 2007,

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce search box with result suggestions

2010-11-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Give it a try, I will put the source in SVN if you want to get your hands dirty with this. http://lima.schaaltreinen.nl/mvexel/nominatim/ Cool. Speaking of things that bug us, I hate the way that when you search for a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Nearmap vs CTs: any progress?

2010-11-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Other People hold rights in Their Contents, not in Your Contents.  The At least in the case of Nearmap, they hold rights in Your Contents too: You will own all Derived Works that you create. However, you may only distribute Derived

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Nearmap vs CTs: any progress?

2010-11-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: In order to derive data from nearmap.com PhotoMaps, you must agree to our community licence, which says: If you derive information from observing our PhotoMaps, and include that information in a work, you will own that work,

[OSM-legal-talk] Nearmap vs CTs: any progress?

2010-11-14 Thread Steve Bennett
So, it's been a few months now. Any signs of progress on CTs that would be compatible with data providers like NearMap? Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin maps for India? Contours?

2010-10-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Contours are a pain. If you've really left this to the last minute then you're not going to want to get up the learning curve for creating your own for Garmin devices. I have a little script which can do it from

[OSM-talk] Garmin maps for India? Contours?

2010-10-18 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, As usual I've left this to the last minute, but wondering if anyone knows of any downloadable Garmin maps, preferably bicycle ones, for northern India (Himachal Pradesh). I'm going to try the Cloudmade ones as a backup (they're not routable or bike specific), but are there any others?

Re: [talk-au] Question re footway or path for asphalt paths in National Parks

2010-10-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: On the wiki, it suggests using highway=footway for urban footpaths and highway=path for hiking trails. Where does it suggest that, about highway=path? It must be the most ambiguous tag ever, with at least the following

Re: [talk-au] Is the RTA making their own fork..

2010-10-18 Thread Steve Bennett
Hmm, interesting. Anyone know any more about it? I doubt they're making a fork - probably just an extra layer that sits on top of google maps? Steve On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:26 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: From the NSW RTA website.. http://www.mybikeroute.info/ ‘My

[Talk-in] Downloadable garmin maps and contours for India?

2010-10-18 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, As usual I've left this to the last minute, but wondering if anyone knows of any downloadable Garmin maps, preferably bicycle ones, for northern India (Himachal Pradesh). I'm going to try the Cloudmade ones as a backup (they're not routable or bike specific), but are there any others?

Re: [Talk-in] Downloadable garmin maps and contours for India?

2010-10-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:22 PM, michael lohr micha.l...@web.de wrote: look here for a full asia map: http://openmtbmap.org/download/#maps, but no map only for india Excellent - not sure why I didn't think of that. I've used mtbmaps in Spain, France and Germany and they worked well. i just

Re: [OSM-talk] Ongoing bulk uploads of GPS traces?

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Sam Wilson s...@archives.org.au wrote: We've got, it looks like, the last three months or so of tracks from about twenty vehicles, and I can break the data up into whatever chunks I want.  I've been working with one track file per seven days, which seems to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: In the long run they tend to do more harm than good. Hi, can you give an example of this? I'm at a loss to understand how asking people to follow simple rules like be collaborative and be considerate could end up

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: As an alternative, consider email filters.  Filters can be per sender or per keyword, depending on your email system. I guess these are two totally different schools of thought: 1) There is one community, one pool of

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: The german Wikipedia has so much please do this, please read that , please follow ..., ... that it turns out to be no more fun working there. I've almost stopped it for exact this reason. And the English Wikipedia

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Okay folks, we've talked about a Code of Conduct for a long time. Here's my proposal for one. Hmm, there's something about it that doesn't work. It seems very much geared towards certain software development efforts

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hmmm, you obviously did not read the Violations_and_Enforcement section of the wiki page :-( My mistake. Yeah, it's not well worded. It has a top-down heavy-handed feel to it: Be good. Or bad things will happen to

Re: [OSM-talk] Ongoing bulk uploads of GPS traces?

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
Or, if there are clear working hours, ditch anything before 9am or after 6pm, or whatever. Steve On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Alan Millar amillar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Sam Wilson s...@archives.org.au wrote:    Hmm... there will be a concentration of points

Re: [OSM-talk] Ongoing bulk uploads of GPS traces?

2010-10-15 Thread Steve Bennett
But really: is this worthwhile?  Will my company benefit?  Will OSM benefit? Hi Sam, it definitely sounds worthwhile to me, and your company and OSM will benefit. One thing you didn't mention: how many gpx tracks do you have so far? Or is this just for going forward? If you can increase the

Re: [OSM-talk] Flight paths in OSM

2010-10-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, it might be feasible to map approaches to airports as shown on official diagrams. There are also avigation easements that might be relevant here. Approaches (informally referred to as flight paths):

[talk-au] Suburb - Bal

2010-10-11 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, Can we do something about these Suburb - Bal boundaries boundaries? Eg: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/101479 I understand that it came from the ABS import. But Melway shows this suburb as just Craigieburn:

Re: [OSM-talk] Blue sky API: Branching function

2010-10-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: 1. Several importable datasets can cover a particular region - e.g. a national dataset at low level of detail and a provincial dataset at a high level of detail.  Both are compatible with the licence of the day (CC BY

Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo

2010-10-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: I am happy to announce that the beast is now available at    http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de Awesome. If you want to hook into JOSM, Potlatch, Mapnik, Osmarender, Kosmos, etc, I've done the hard work for you here:

Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

2010-10-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: But more importantly, it shows to me that the feature curve or novelty factor of OSM is flattening out. Once you have efficient rendering, searching and routing and the community is no longer growing exponentially, it's just

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Checking if I understand correctly...

2010-10-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: A CC-BY-SA license *is* an explicit permission to you by the rights holder.   So that is not a problem and we will revise the CTs to better communicate that in plain language. What I was getting at: 1) The CTs require that

[OSM-legal-talk] Checking if I understand correctly...

2010-10-03 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, Is the following statement correct: Under the new Contributor Terms, you may only contribute to content to OSM that you own, or have been given authority to license to the OSMF for future relicensing. This is only slowly dawning on me. If this is correct, then we can no longer do imports of

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com wrote: In 2002, the Spanish Wikipedia forked and people went to the other project. The fork had to do with differences of project policies not license, the fork died few years later.  Spanish Wikipedia grew more slowly as a result

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] In what direction should OSM go?

2010-09-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Imported data is dead data - there's no one that feels responsible for it. Imports can kill community and give newcomers the feeling that there's nothing more to be done. Imports *can* help osm but they can also *hurt*

Re: [talk-au] When satnavs go bad....

2010-09-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: You need to dial a helicopter to get you off the mountain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1315762/White-van-man-airlifted-safety-satnav-sends-mountain.html A pretty similar thing happened to a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Can someone summarise arguments for/against clause 2 of CTs?

2010-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: OSM(F) needs to be able to place contributions under BY-SA now and later under the ODbL. In order to do so it needs to have permission to do so. Clause 2 gives this permission. OSM(F) may also need to relicence the data again

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Can someone summarise arguments for/against clause 2 of CTs?

2010-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I guess clause 2 is redundant.  It would be sufficient to simply say contributors agree to license their contributions under the DbCL. Except that Clause 3 contains or another free and open license. But otherwise, yes, that does

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: You cannot make the mapper responsible for deciding whether or not a car, or bicycle, routing can go through a barrier; he might not know. Treating all un-tagged gates as access=no will lead to mappers entering bogus

Re: [OSM-talk] Can i use different aerial imagery

2010-09-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Charalampos Alexopoulos alba...@otenet.gr wrote: Hi Yes. The aerial images are published under (CC BY v.3.0). You can read the license here. What's the URL for the aerial images, so people can check that it is indeed under that licence? Steve

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