Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:02:26PM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: From what I understand, under the new license, any dataset that we build in-house based on the geometry or tags of data in the transportation layer, which we choose to release to our client or other parties, would have to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:49:18PM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote: You say 'everyone else is worse off' if they use a PD map. It seems like the bus company wins - they have more passengers. The passengers win - they can learn about the busses more easily. The environment wins (less cars on the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:47:00PM +1200, Joseph Gentle wrote: So share-alike itself actually ain't that helpful if the person doesn't really want to contribute back. But if you use community pressure, rather than trying to get medieval on their licensing ass, you can get a great result

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:18:24AM +1200, Joseph Gentle wrote: I understand this, and I find it a step backwards. But that's probably just me. Perhaps linux could require that all applications that made system calls were GPL licensed too. Surely that would increase GPL adoption; and thus

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:31:54PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Good luck steaming up community pressure for Apple opening up on stuff that they have taken from the PD. It is not going to happen. http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.5.5/ Most software on that list, sir, is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:54:50PM +0200, Gustav Foseid wrote: So, given your ideal license: I decide to make a pub crawl and making a mashup showing the pubs I visited and my rating of them.To make sure that I placed the pubs at the right place I had a GPS in my pocket, and had gpx trace of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using JOSM + Yahoo Maps Aerial Imagery for Public Domain Release

2008-10-11 Thread bvh
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 01:58:19AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: their aerial imagery from. - Ed Parsons once said that Google had to pay extra for traceable aerial imagery as the normal licenses would not have been suitable for using the material in an application like MapMaker. If none of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Merkaartor] A few interface notes

2008-10-03 Thread bvh
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 12:30:05PM +0200, Chris Browet wrote: OSMXAPI can do selective downloads for low zoom levels: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmxapi In what part of the spec do you see that, exactly? Not sure if it is a good idea to mix data from osmxapi in an editor to

[OSM-talk-nl] Merkaartor mem use

2008-10-03 Thread bvh
Hoi, Tijdens de meeting een paar weken terug was een van de vraagjes hoe merkaartor nu juist met geheugen omging. Daar had ik eigenlijk geen goed antwoord op (nog niet trouwens). Maar een paar dagen poste een van onze gebruikers op de mailing list dat hij merkaartor op een laptop met 32MB of ram

Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-01 Thread bvh
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 01:06:27AM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: It's more than not strictly correct: It's plain broken. It breaks my reply-to-author function. Everytime I want to use it, I have to manually fix the recipients. Well, and it breaks my expectation of what reply means in the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor

2008-08-27 Thread bvh
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:39:09AM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: * Java ME based for maximum cross platform support. While I'm not familiar with the different flavours of Java, there's unfortunately no official edition for the Nokia N8x0 devices. Instead, there's another port called

Re: [OSM-talk] High-Precision GPS Survey Equipment?

2008-08-25 Thread bvh
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 05:22:17PM +, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: My fairly accurate Garmin 60CSx is still wildly inaccurate when I position myself at the corner of a building and try to measure its dimensions since the building and the surrounding blocks most GPS signals. So more

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering different oneway arrows icons

2008-08-21 Thread bvh
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:31:26PM +0200, Knut Arne Bjørndal wrote: Stephan Schildberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The rendererd arrow icons for oneways have a different appearance in Osmarender. its icon has more contrast oneway = -1 those icons are pale and longer oneway = 1

Re: [OSM-talk] Easy to use system for countryside surveying

2008-08-16 Thread bvh
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 04:57:17PM +0100, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hello everyone, Have thought of an approach to make countryside OSM mapping using phones with inbuilt GPS (N95, etc) easy to the end user. A user could survey their walk using an N95 or similar, and then, using a very

Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09

2008-07-15 Thread bvh
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 02:08:55PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: fwiw location-wise I would prefer somewhere more easily and cheaply accessible by most people that would like to come than I expect GC would be. Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland

Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09

2008-07-15 Thread bvh
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:12:19PM +0100, Grant Slater wrote: Nowadays, there are plenty of airlines that allow you to offset the carbon output of your trip. I am not yet aware of train companies offering the same, so the treehugger in you might still prefer to fly?

[OSM-talk] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [OSM-dev] area topology]

2008-05-14 Thread bvh
Sorry,, sent this to the wrong mailing list. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 02:43:19PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: You _don't know_ where the edge of the rendered road will be but that it'll lie within a certain zone. Thus you infect the edge of the abutted area with that

Re: [OSM-talk] zoom yahoo data in potlatch?

2008-05-03 Thread bvh
On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 10:40:42PM -0400, Christopher Schmidt wrote: in options, choose 'Aerial - OpenAerialMap' as background and you'll be fine hmm, i'm slightly baffled by that. the oam coverage for nz is appalling at best and as an aside, i'd be very surprised if it was better

Re: [OSM-talk] zoom yahoo data in potlatch?

2008-05-03 Thread bvh
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 08:03:16AM -0400, Christopher Schmidt wrote: I am not local, but the openstreetmap.org data at the north side of the canal does not seem to match what is on the imagery? More specifically the raster of streets seems out of place. The OSM data in OAM is 6 months out

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread bvh
On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 10:25:50AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: OTH I don't know much about AS3 so I can't say whether it's much better in this regard, but from a quick scan of it, I'd say it was. I think the main problem is the likely-hood of an opensource player being available for it. AS3

[OSM-legal-talk] Yahoo imagery usage in Merkaartor : ok requested

2008-04-24 Thread bvh
Chris Browet has been working on getting Yahoo map support in Merkaartor. His first implementation downloaded tiles directly from Yahoo. On advice from the OSM community we disabled this since it was felt this would go against the Terms of Usage of Yahoo : we had to use the flash of javascript API

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted

2008-04-09 Thread bvh
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 01:35:26PM +0300, SteveC wrote: http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=-0.343705lat=39.48158z=17 Is it just me or does this link not work in ie7? cu bart ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution

2008-04-07 Thread bvh
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 01:19:15PM +0100, 80n wrote: If you publish OpenStreetMap data you can satisfy the attribution requirement of the license by linking to or referencing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Attribution; Discuss. +1. cu bart

Re: [OSM-talk] Easy way to export to Illustrator?

2008-04-05 Thread bvh
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 09:30:20PM +0200, Axel von Matern wrote: Is there a easy way to get my OSM data into Illustrator? Merkaartor includes a convert-to-svg option using the osmarender stylesheet. Unfortunatly the version as released will not give you the ability to actually save that svg. But

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attempt to clarify

2008-02-22 Thread bvh
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 03:56:40PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: my back and leave if you were to win. I'd just quietly grumble and point out my ethical superiority. I think it is not helpfull to claim ethical superiority in this debate. For the record : there is, in my opinion, nothing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-19 Thread bvh
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:50:48AM +, SteveC wrote: No, the total opposite. We only found out about some of the implications of certain use cases, and how it makes some use a bit easier, when we sat down with Jordan in a cafe and threw around ideas and scenarios. Please don't try

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-11 Thread bvh
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 04:20:02PM +0100, Bernd Raichle wrote: (a) the direction is too easily changed, sometimes by mistake ... because none of the current OSM editors show direction- or side-related tags explicitly. Merkaartor does for the direction related tags it understands. I need to

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-10 Thread bvh
On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 01:21:46PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'm a bit unhappy about needlessly inflating the importance of the direction of ways. Long-term, I would actually like to get rid of the direction and express everything in relations. The reasons for this are Hehe. The last time I

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-09 Thread bvh
On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 06:24:12PM +0100, wiseLYNX wrote: -- -- -- -- -- highway = service Tree Tree Tree Tree amenity = park err... leisure=park err... is a line of trees a park? it ususally is just a line of trees. this piture:

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-09 Thread bvh
On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 01:30:07PM +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: i think landuse = row_of_trees or whatever was suggested, is a hideous abuse of the landuse tag. landuse isn't there as a dumping ground for things that taggers can't be bothered to categorise properly I agree. there is a tag

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] disputed areas

2008-02-09 Thread bvh
On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 04:12:03PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: - Private roads and driveways What, about their presence or absence? Surely whether they are there or not is a fairly clear fact. They can be marked access=private to denote that there's no right of way. Well, I know a

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-08 Thread bvh
On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 04:52:55PM +, David Earl wrote: On 08/02/2008 16:43, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: -- -- -- -- -- highway = service Tree Tree Tree Tree amenity = park err... leisure=park err... is a line of trees a park? cu bart ___

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-06 Thread bvh
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 12:59:46PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: I don't get it : you go on about how license such and such is possibly unenforceable and then you propose moral guidelines that are 100% guaranteed not enforceable. I fail to see progress. Well my position is the enlightened

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Opentrail - What development environments would be best for mobile compatibility?

2008-01-26 Thread bvh
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 12:29:33AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Well, if your definition of better includes open, then no. Sometimes when talking about OSM I say provocatively that we're so ruthlessly pragmatic that we would even switch to Oracle if someone gave us the stuff for free and it

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Opentrail - What development environments would be best for mobile compatibility?

2008-01-26 Thread bvh
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:20:52AM +, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sure, but it's possible to be an open geodata kind of guy without being a free software kind of guy. Just because I'm insistent about the cleanliness of our map data doesn't mean I want to give up my Mac and all the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Opentrail - What development environments would be best for mobile compatibility?

2008-01-25 Thread bvh
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 04:29:55PM +, Nick Black wrote: Odd advice from a mailing list of an _open_ source/data/whatever project. Not if you want to make a better map for OSM. Well, if your definition of better includes open, then no. a better perspective. At least for that one there

Re: [OSM-talk] implementation of relations in josm

2008-01-03 Thread bvh
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:29:16AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: I agree. It is however again one of the problems where different relations will need different actions - when a way in a route relation is split, both new ways need to be members, but when a way in a turn restriction relation is