Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-02-02 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 2 February 2012 15:11, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Yes, of course, I think it is Mike DuPont who said give away.  But obviously we're talking about the grant of rights. Yes, every open soruce license is a grant of rights, as that's the basic definition

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-02-02 Thread Robert Kaiser
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Assignment of your rights requires a written agreement in some jurisdictions so there's no talk of that. Mozilla, Facebook, etc, as you say, require a grant of the right to sublicense and other rights. No, Mozilla has no sublicense requirement. And Facebook is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-31 Thread Robert Kaiser
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: I'm not sure if I would have joined OSM in the first place if it had not used this wikipedia model at this time, same as I haven't contributed (more than bug reports) to FSF or Mozilla owned projects. Interesting to see Mozilla mentioned here as clearly every

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-31 Thread Robert Kaiser
Mike Dupont schrieb: This is my understanding. all of my edits belong to me, they are my contributions that I then willingly share with others. This is exactly what the CTs say. You sign there that you own your edit and grant the OSMF to sub-license it if needed and under well-defined terms.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-31 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi Robert, On 31 January 2012 21:53, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: andrzej zaborowski schrieb: I'm not sure if I would have joined OSM in the first place if it had not used this wikipedia model at this time, same as I haven't contributed (more than bug reports) to FSF or Mozilla owned

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-30 Thread Rob Myers
On 29/01/12 23:11, Mike Dupont wrote: My understanding of copyleft is the idea that people who own the rights to their own work license it freely. They do so in free recognition that their contingent power should not constrain the fundamental freedom of others. That is, they recognise the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-29 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 28.01.2012 08:47, schrieb Mike Dupont: then I determined that I will not be able to accept the terms because someone, who is a Hasardeur in my humble opinion, decided to break compatiblity with the existing license and then, break from the idea that I own my data and ask me to hand over

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/1/29 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: demotivated by the data loss. but filling in gaps is really much quicker done than starting from scratch. +1, at least there already are tags for most things, comfortable editors and lots of experienced mappers ;-) cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-29 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2012/1/29 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: I sort-of feel responsible for my areas of the map, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it my data. I contribute to this map, because I want free and open Geodata, for that to occur you need to put your data into the hands of the community of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-29 Thread Mike Dupont
I am going to explain my viewpoint on this. My understanding of copyleft is the idea that people who own the rights to their own work license it freely. Other people who license that work via copyleft are then allowed to create derived works, and adding in value create new works that are again

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I am just explaining the legal basis behind copyright and copyleft : Copyright says that I own all my work and you have no right to copy it, copyleft says you are allowed to copy it under certain conditions

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-27 Thread Mike Dupont
That is an excellent question Stefan d. k., very good. Also considering that the previous stance was that wikipedia should not be imported at all because it is mostly derived from non free sources. Also I wonder why this mail is being sent to talk, about licensing, should be on legal anyway? mike

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-27 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/27/2012 6:48 PM, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hi Mike and Graham,  We should not assume that contributors' acceptance of the new licence means that they are particularly in favour of it - they may have just accepted