On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Oliver (skobbler)
osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
Does that mean we should not import trees in towns like Girona? (
http://osm.org/go/xu1ff...@- )
I would appreciate to find my hotel in Girona: Joan Maragall, 10 - 17002
Girona
Have a safe trip.
Hi Richard,
I would appreciate to find my hotel in Girona: Joan Maragall, 10 - 17002
Girona
Have a safe trip.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.971787mlon=2.783665zoom=18layers=B000FTF
that is the WRONG place. Entering the address in OSM leads to the wrong
place! There was too much
Would you stand for the sourceforge.net board and suggest that they
need to focus their efforts on only a few selective open-source
projects?
I am quite surprised by this comparison:
(a) sourcefourge is a tool that has nothing to do with the projects
themselves
(b) the projects are all
That's not to say the Foundation shouldn't be planning ahead, but
there's a big difference between that and trying to come up with a
vision. If we need a vision, a plan or anything like that (and
that's debatable anyway) then it's best for it to appear from the
bowels of the community, not be
On 6 July 2010 17:22, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
I understand that is was decided by the OSMF board that funding is supposed
to become a more structured activity. What would you say to someone
interested in funding? OpenStreetMap doesn't have a strategic goal; it's
never
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Oliver (skobbler)
osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
We have no idea what our financial needs are in the next year
because we haven't set any goals for next year.
That's a complete non-sequitur. As I said in my email it's
straightforward to make plans for the future
As I said in my email it's
straightforward to make plans for the future without needing a goal.
These plans can, and should, be based on what's happening, and
therefore what we plan/expect will happen in the future.
Absolutely in regards to plans, I just said that it should be triggered and
On 6 July 2010 18:48, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
the project to the outside world. If you would ask ten people today what
openstreetmap is about you would get ten different answers, that is what you
can also see from this thread.
If you asked those same 10 people what
On 6 July 2010 09:48, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
As I said in my email it's
straightforward to make plans for the future without needing a goal.
These plans can, and should, be based on what's happening, and
therefore what we plan/expect will happen in the future.
* David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com [2010-07-05 10:38 +0100]:
Addresses are a bit different because its a whole different level of
detail. But because you don't think its fun doesn't mean others
don't enjoy it (or even do it because it is enjoyable). I did my
village to see what it would
On 5 July 2010 12:37, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote:
Geocoding isn't freely available (unless your needs are small-scale).
Housenumbers are the key to geocoding addresses, and without geocoding many
useful applications of a map are lost, or at least made more difficult. So
I'm
Absolutely, and we will... in fact, I'm working on it right now. I just
thought it was worth making the point that housenumbers are (in my humble
opinion) key to enabling many wider applications of map data.
Cheers
b
On 5 July 2010 14:32, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 July
2010/7/4 Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de:
exclusive. I just say that the more projects there are, the longer it takes
to achieve a specific goal.
if one is a cyclist with interest in cycling, she/he will not go out
mapping parking lots or petrol stations just because someones
On 5 July 2010 19:29, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
actually I don't understand why so many people complain about mapping
trees. Trees have generally a longer life cycle than buildings. I like
trees and I like to have them in the map. Why should I map postboxes?
I hardly
2010/7/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 5 July 2010 19:29, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
actually I don't understand why so many people complain about mapping
trees. Trees have generally a longer life cycle than buildings. I like
trees and I like to have them in
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Oliver (skobbler) wrote:
How do you want to find the right licensing, funding and communication
approach (to avoid the word strategy) without having a strategic goal?
By encouraging a welcoming, meritocratic
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Oliver (skobbler)
osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
And that is my whole point: I think it is much more important to distill the
strategic goals out of the community's mind and then focus the efforts on a
few selective initiates rather than having hundreds of
I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely?
This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more
basic
understanding: I haven't seen a common understanding of the definition of
OSM's success. Where did you find the goal of a wider use? Wider use by
I
On 4 July 2010 18:28, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
It is because of other reasons that major companies are not using OSM.
If companies already pay for data with more restrictive licenses than
OSM offers, then I can only assume the license issue is just a
sticking point
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 01:22:01
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely?
This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more
basic
understanding: I haven't
On 4 July 2010 23:00, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
I agree about the importance of being able to find a location via its postal
address. One of the most frequent reasons for looking up a location on an
online map is so you can find out where on a long street a particular
: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:36:58
To: j...@jfeldredge.com
Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 4 July 2010 23:00, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
I agree about
On 5 July 2010 00:16, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
True, but paper maps are usually not printed at a scale where including
street numbers are practical.
Other than street directories?
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2010/7/4 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
True, but paper maps are usually not printed at a scale where including
street numbers are practical.
There are actually paper maps that include housenumbers (city scale)
--- not all of them, but if you put them in intervalls it's usually
good
Oliver (skobbler) wrote:
Some people might want to achieve a wider use for humanitarian
projects. Then address referencing won't help and a license change
won't change either. There needs to be common understanding of
the vision where OSM is seen in five years from now.
No, there
Some people might want to achieve a wider use for humanitarian
projects. Then address referencing won't help and a license change
won't change either. There needs to be common understanding of
the vision where OSM is seen in five years from now.
No, there doesn't.
You're talking about it as
On 5 July 2010 04:57, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
My personal opinion is that the strengths of OpenStreetMap lies in the large
decentral knowledge. And I think it would make more sense to steer some of
this local power in a certain direction. I consider it a waste of
The problem here is people are better off doing what they find
interesting, if they are forced, or feel forced to go in a certain
direction they may tire or become bored and loose interest entirely in
OSM.
If you understood that I say you should force or tell people what to map
then this is
Oliver (skobbler) wrote:
It might be true that OSM is the best map in the world for cycling
and the best map in the world for humanitarian use. If the higher
goal of OpenStreetMap is to become the best map for cycling and
the best map for humanitarian use I will not complain. I did not
I don't think that you can just say if the strategic goal is to be a
mainstream map and other uses are distractions from this goal. There
are plenty of people who do not have the goal of the mainstream map as
their main mission. For example the time I spend working on things
for HOT, I'm not
I don't think that you can just say if the strategic goal is to be a
mainstream map and other uses are distractions from this goal. There
are plenty of people who do not have the goal of the mainstream map as
their main mission. For example the time I spend working on things
for HOT, I'm not
OpenStreetMap doesn't have a strategic goal; it's never had one.
How do you want to find the right licensing, funding and communication
approach (to avoid the word strategy) without having a strategic goal?
Regards,
Oliver
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On 5 July 2010 06:02, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
How do you want to find the right licensing, funding and communication
approach (to avoid the word strategy) without having a strategic goal?
There is fundamental differences between facilitating volunteers and
running a
Oliver (skobbler) wrote:
How do you want to find the right licensing, funding and communication
approach (to avoid the word strategy) without having a strategic goal?
By encouraging a welcoming, meritocratic environment in which talented
people are able to do cool things. It's worked
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Oliver (skobbler)
osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.dewrote:
Please do me a favor. Go to the homepage of OpenStreetMap and look if you
can find any hint to these passionate projects?
Oliver
Here are some links to passionate projects:
On 5 July 2010 10:25, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see any point in OSM duplicating much of what is already freely and
copiously available. OSM's uniqueness lies in it's ability to cater for
needs that are not otherwise met. It might be cycle maps or humanitarian
maps or maps for
A short remark although this is the wrong place to discuss the topic:
I agree with this. This thread isn't the topic to discuss license
issue although I'm happy to answer any concrete questions in a
separate thread, at the SotM or via private mail. I'll have to say
though that I don't have deep
But to reiterate: I'd love to have a PD-like license or as Richard has
said even better: I'd like anything that is non-share-alike. And I
don't agree with Oliver conclusion on what would happen (corporate
take over).
Interesting remark: the one says something like I want to have a Volkswagen
On 3 July 2010 20:39, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
license. In essence I would like to understand who is intended to benefit
from a PD-license, mappers, consumers, developers, companies, data donors? I
Some data is being released in Australia from governments under cc-by
Some data is being released in Australia from governments under cc-by
licenses, and they would possibly benefit from OSM having a cc-by
compatible license, I'm sure some other donors would be in the same
boat.
If it is for the sake of compliance with licenses of data donors then there
will
On 3 July 2010 22:40, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
If it is for the sake of compliance with licenses of data donors then there
will always be cases that fit with one license type and don't fit with with
other license types. It might also be that the majority of data donors
John,
John Smith wrote:
I'm not aware of any entities that would share more data if OSM used a
cc-by compatible license, in fact I've been told some governments
agencies are unhappy that they have to share at all, but they
definitely would not be happen with anything less than an attribution
On 3 July 2010 23:16, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
4. It is my personal opinion that advocates of share-alike licenses are
driven less by the desire to create something great, but more by the desire
to ringfence, protect, defend what they think is their property against
imaginary
John,
John Smith wrote:
What you quoted had nothing to do with share-a-like, but was
specifically about attribution...
But the underlying idea of property is required for attribution as well;
you cannot force people to provide attribution without first claiming
that the data is yours and
On 3 July 2010 23:16, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
2. Imports and government cooperation are not crucial to OSM's success.
What would make OSM successful in your eyes?
I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely? If so
government users should be given the same
On 3 July 2010 23:27, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
But the underlying idea of property is required for attribution as well; you
cannot force people to provide attribution without first claiming that the
data is yours and yours alone and only by following your license will people
be
On 3 July 2010 14:27, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
But the underlying idea of property is required for attribution as well;
you cannot force people to provide attribution without first claiming that
the data is yours and yours alone and only by following your license will
people
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
people who [...]
go away and join the RIAA. But that is my personal opinion
There is this copyright researcher, Mathias Klang[1], working on CC in
Sweden who gave some categories of people who argue about copyright.
I'm
What would make OSM successful in your eyes?
I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely?
This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more basic
understanding: I haven't seen a common understanding of the definition of
OSM's success. Where did you find the
On 4 July 2010 07:22, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
What would make OSM successful in your eyes?
I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely?
This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more basic
understanding: I haven't seen a common
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On 4 July 2010 07:22, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote:
What would make OSM successful in your eyes?
I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely?
This is the right type of
On 4 July 2010 14:34, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:
The point is that *no* major company actually said, 'if you switch to
ODbL then we will use it', while it is a claim companies don't use OSM
because of cc-by-sa. I don't see the problem solved, do you?
I doubt I'd make it very
Are there strategic votes pro PD and/or negative to ODbL?
I am a strong supporter for the ODbL as I also mention in the last part of
my manifesto[1]
Regards,
Oliver
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oliver.kuehn/Manifesto
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On 1 July 2010 22:08, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:
Are there strategic votes pro PD and/or negative to ODbL?
My point of view on the license is very pragmatic. I support the ODbL as it
is a continuation and a clarification of the CC-BY-SA. Ideally, a public
domain license would be
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Oliver (skobbler) wrote:
Are there strategic votes pro PD and/or negative to ODbL?
I am a strong supporter for the ODbL as I also mention in the last part of
my manifesto[1]
Now I know who *not* to vote for, I kinda requested the opposite.
Stefan
That's the idea of a vote :)
Somehow I think most will support ODbL.
Anyone wants to make a list of candidates opinions on this?
Greets,
Floris
Stefan de Konink wrote:
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Oliver (skobbler) wrote:
Are there strategic votes pro PD and/or negative to ODbL?
I am a strong
Stefan,
Stefan de Konink wrote:
Now I know who *not* to vote for, I kinda requested the opposite.
Even if we were to elect three ardent PD supporters, it is unlikely that
they would be able to turn back the wheel on ODbL.
I think that the way forward for those preferring PD would be to
On 2 July 2010 18:55, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote:
In addition, it is clear that people are almost equally split between SA
licenses and PD domain, and it would be difficult to achieve any kind of
Actually there is a 3rd option, some people prefer cc-by...
John Smith wrote:
Actually there is a 3rd option, some people prefer cc-by...
By and large the holy war is share-alike vs non-share-alike. Attribution
is kind of a sideshow; IMX most 'PD' advocates (myself included) would be
equally content, maybe even more so, with an attribution licence such
Actually there is a 3rd option, some people prefer cc-by...
There are a few more options. Dual licensing like MySQL with a free
share-a-like and commercial non-share-alike would also be an option. And
there are many more.
The question is just what you want to achieve and then you should look
Hello,
I am writing to the list to mention that I will be running for the board for
the upcoming election for the foundation. After lot of thinking, I have
decided that I could potentially contribute to the community in a different
way in order to help OSM achieve its goal.
I am including my
Hi,
as I am another candidate for the board election that runs from today until
July 9th I would like to append this post by my manifesto that represents my
view and thoughts on OpenStreetMap. A brief personal overview can be found
here [1].
I would also like to refer to the overview and
In addition to the manifestos there is a bit of QA on the discussion page.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/AGM10/Election_to_Board
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