Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-14 Thread Nick Whitelegg
I get this same view. All too often I look at a place and think wow, that looks complete, but when I drum down into the data a bit it its clear that there are general gaps and the density of streets is not what you would expect. That's why I was testing out a completeness metrics method. But I

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-14 Thread Gervase Markham
Frederik Ramm wrote: Once we have a few applications in place that get viewed by *many* people, we could just have a button somewhere along the margin of the page that says: I know the area and what I see here looks correct. Would it not make more sense to have a button saying This map is

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-14 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Gervase Markham wrote: Sent: 14 May 2008 2:01 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools Frederik Ramm wrote: Once we have a few applications in place that get viewed by *many* people, we could just have a button

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-13 Thread Freek
On Monday 12 May 2008, Skywave wrote: Freek recently created this image which shows how much of the AND data is untouched: http://www.vanwal.nl/osm/author_density_nl_20080502_full.png(warning 3 MB image). (Blue is untouched AND, green and red have relatively more changes by the community.)

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-13 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us map out an area completely in one go rather than doing it piecemeal. Even if I come across some existing roads in a new area I ignore them and do a new survey so that the whole area makes

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-13 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Frederik Ramm wrote: Once we have a few applications in place that get viewed by *many* people, we could just have a button somewhere along the margin of the page that says: I know the area and what I see here looks correct. Given that this will be the default very soon ( :-) ), I'd rather

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-13 Thread David Earl
On 13/05/2008 15:35, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Once we have a few applications in place that get viewed by *many* people, we could just have a button somewhere along the margin of the page that says: I know the area and what I see here looks correct. Given that this will

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-13 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
David Earl wrote: Sent: 13 May 2008 6:48 PM To: Sebastian Spaeth Cc: OSM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On 13/05/2008 15:35, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Once we have a few applications in place that get viewed by *many

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 11:59, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Posted to talk and dev This post really follows on from my consideration of Completeness metrics. A number of experienced OSMers who have mapped out there areas have either contacted me directly or posted through the lists about

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Chris Morley
David Earl wrote: Here is what I was going to do: 1. use a set of ways like coastline (i.e. with an on the right rule, because they'd be too long as one way), to define areas of completeness. By definition, coastline would form one boundary. 2. Render these plus coastline to a new set

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: a) Being able to expand the boundary after each session is likely to be a great motivator. I suspect that this progressive taming of the wilderness or making order out of the void is what drives many mappers. b) Applicability to small or

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Inge Wallin
On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: Starting with a single level of completeness makes sense, but I think it should be public roads, named where feasible. I have a different view. I think we should have a leveled scheme from the beginning. I suggest the following: Level 1:

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 18:06, Inge Wallin wrote: On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: Starting with a single level of completeness makes sense, but I think it should be public roads, named where feasible. I have a different view. I think we should have a leveled scheme from the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
David Earl wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 7:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On 12/05/2008 18:06, Inge Wallin wrote: On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: Starting

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 20:02, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: David Earl wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 7:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On 12/05/2008 18:06, Inge Wallin wrote

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 07:06:20PM +0200, Inge Wallin wrote: Yes, but it would be good if we planned for at least some of the subsequent levels right from the start. I support this idea - I would call them levels as some areas might work completely different. I would call the different

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Jeffrey Martin
I'm very far from this in Korea, but I would guess in time some parts of the UK will need to be rechecked at some point. How can we make a system for rechecking an area? Maybe the completeness should be retired after a period of time. -- http://bowlad.com

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I'm very far from this in Korea, but I would guess in time some parts of the UK will need to be rechecked at some point. How can we make a system for rechecking an area? Maybe the completeness should be retired after a period of time. Once we have a few applications in place that get

[OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Skywave
Freek recently created this image which shows how much of the AND data is untouched: http://www.vanwal.nl/osm/author_density_nl_20080502_full.png(warning 3 MB image). I think the z18 idea is good idea. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/05/2008 21:02,

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is terribly hard to know whether you have all the footpaths, and I think we'd hardly ever mark anywhere complete if we did that. I think it's terribly hard to know when a map is correct and complete, regardless

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 22:51, Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is terribly hard to know whether you have all the footpaths, and I think we'd hardly ever mark anywhere complete if we did that. I think it's terribly hard to know when

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florian Lohoff schrieb: | On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 07:06:20PM +0200, Inge Wallin wrote: | Yes, but it would be good if we planned for at least some of the subsequent | levels right from the start. | | I support this idea - I would call them levels as

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 10:52 PM To: David Earl Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
David Earl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 11:06 PM To: Andy Allan Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On 12/05/2008 22:51, Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008