Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-17 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: ...From Sunday, we will run 5 weeks allowing folks who decline the ability to continue editing, i.e. CC-BY-SA only contributions. The objective is get the remaining 77,000 to accept or decline. If that runs slowly, we

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-17 Thread Michael Collinson
On 17/04/2011 08:39, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Michael Collinsonm...@ayeltd.biz wrote: ...From Sunday, we will run 5 weeks allowing folks who decline the ability to continue editing, i.e. CC-BY-SA only contributions. The objective is get the remaining 77,000 to

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-17 Thread 80n
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: If we make the numbers, then these new users are unaffected. Now would be a good time to mention what those numbers are. How many users need to agree to CT before the community is comfortable with the consequential data

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-17 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 12:16 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: If we make the numbers, then these new users are unaffected. If we do not, new users are still unaffected, they have agreed to the use of either CC-BY-SA or ODbL. What about a case for example of a mapper who wants to map the

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-16 Thread Ed Avis
Michael Collinson mike at ayeltd.biz writes: In addition to Dermot's comments, we initially considered dual-licensing CC-BY-SA but, yes, regretfully rejected it as it undermines a major objective of the license change which is to provide the strongest protection of OSM geodata in as many

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/16 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: By excluding contributors who don't agree with the new scheme you are wielding a very sharp stick  It would not be a good idea to set a precedent that the OSMF should simply push through the 'best' answer and exclude dissenters.  One day, you might

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-16 Thread 80n
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:35 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I understand this, we would then have all the cons of cc-by-sa (e.g. that some mayor mapping company could rip us off) Show us the evidence to back up this assertion please.

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-16 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:10 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:35 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I understand this, we would then have all the cons of cc-by-sa (e.g. that some mayor mapping company could rip us off) Show us the

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 01:38:30 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: So I chose a slightly humorous response, treating Anthony as if he really were an innocent newbie. I didn't expect that I would have to explain the humour, but I guess I should have known better. Humour is quite

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-15 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: He knows perfectly well, because he has been told a thousand times, that one of the countries where CC-BY-SA doesn't work for our data is his country of residence, the USA. Being told something is not equivalent to

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-15 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: CC-BY-SA works exactly as intended.  In fact, the license even explicitly states its intent:  Nothing in this License is intended to reduce, limit, or restrict any uses free from copyright or rights arising from limitations or

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Collinson
Hi Ed, On 13/04/2011 16:15, Ed Avis wrote: Michael Collinsonmikeat ayeltd.biz writes: If you are a user of OpenStreetMap data, this does not affect you. OpenStreetMap data continues to be licensed only under CC-BY-SA and this will continue until we reach a critical mass of acceptance of

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available? (was: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement)

2011-04-14 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the problem with continuing to allow CC distribution of the data is that that would leave OSM unprotected in those jurisdictions where CC isn't recognised for map data. 1) What jurisdictions would that be? 2) If

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi Anthony, Anthony wrote: I guess the problem with continuing to allow CC distribution of the data is that that would leave OSM unprotected in those jurisdictions where CC isn't recognised for map data. 1) What jurisdictions would that be? 2) If the license isn't recognized, doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
David, David Murn wrote: Did I just seriously read that right? *Sigh* You know as well as I do that Anthony is a troll with a long history, here and elsewhere. He knows perfectly well, because he has been told a thousand times, that one of the countries where CC-BY-SA doesn't work for our

[OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available? (was: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement)

2011-04-13 Thread Ed Avis
Michael Collinson mike at ayeltd.biz writes: If you are a user of OpenStreetMap data, this does not affect you.  OpenStreetMap data continues to be licensed only under CC-BY-SA and this will continue until we reach a critical mass of acceptance of the new license. Accepting the new licence

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available? (was: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement)

2011-04-13 Thread Dermot McNally
On 13 April 2011 15:15, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: What's the plan for deciding whether and when to cut off CC-BY-SA distribution? Would it require a 2/3 vote of contributors? I guess the problem with continuing to allow CC distribution of the data is that that would leave OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available? (was: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement)

2011-04-13 Thread Ed Avis
Dermot McNally dermotm at gmail.com writes: What's the plan for deciding whether and when to cut off CC-BY-SA distribution? Would it require a 2/3 vote of contributors? I guess the problem with continuing to allow CC distribution of the data is that that would leave OSM unprotected in those

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available? (was: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement)

2011-04-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 00:49, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: It's _a_ goal but I think the more important selling points for ODbL/DbCL are the positive ones - more uses it would permit for the data, for example distributing map tiles without having to follow any particular licence for them.