Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/3/15 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: ... I have no intention to deprecate Potlatch 1, but would like to keep it available in parallel. have you thought about deprecating the live-mode in PL1 though? I really think it is a pain and was happy when you wrote in another thread that

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: have you thought about deprecating the live-mode in PL1 though? I really think it is a pain and was happy when you wrote in another thread that it will not be available in PL2. Indeed, you've mentioned one or two (million) times before you're no fan of it. :) To

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: If all the code and all the tools we used were to be licensed costly software, who would pay for OSM? We'd all use Google Map Maker then. Under Safari ;-) What about Mapzen under IE? *ducks* Mapzen doesn't count - it is open source ;-) Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 March 2010 18:27, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Mapzen doesn't count - it is open source ;-) So is potlatch, but that doesn't seem to have stopped people from complaining about it being non-free for some reason... ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-12 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:45 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 March 2010 18:27, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Mapzen doesn't count - it is open source ;-) So is potlatch, but that doesn't seem to have stopped people from complaining about it being non-free for

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-12 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: On 12/03/2010 07:54, John Smith wrote: On 12 March 2010 17:50, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org  wrote: jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: If all the code and all the tools we used were to be licensed costly

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-12 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I have started to port mapzen to haxe, all help appreciated. http://osmopenlayers.blogspot.com/2010/03/start-of-port-of-mapzen-to-haxe.html mike On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:56 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 March 2010 18:52, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-12 Thread Jochen Plumeyer
Hi folks, Regarding Flash development with OpenSource tools: On Vie 12 Mar 2010, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I think the issue with flash is not the software, but the runtime. [...] I am going to try and use this : ActionScript 2 to Flash (SWF) compiler http://www.mtasc.org/

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-12 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
Richard Fairhurst: Personally? I don't give a shit about free software. Or respectability. cheers Richard OK. May I then conclude mine and your off-topic posts ended on this thread? So it's up for anyone else to post on-topic replies regarding this topic. Kind regards, Niklas --

[OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
All, Dirk (the current JOSM maintainer) has just announced on josm-dev that JOSM will move to Java6 around the end of this month. This means that anyone who does not have Java6 may continue to work with the current JOSM release but will not be able to use the new builds from April on.

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: If you are in the unfortunate situation of having willfully chained yourself to one Hardware/OS supplier and that supplier is unwilling to release Java6 for your platform, it may be time to finally ditch ...JOSM in anticipation of imminent Potlatch 2 wondrousness.

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The world doesn't require Potlatch 2 wondrousness. The world would already sigh with relief if Potlatch could be made to not break relation ordering when a way is split ;-) Has the world lodged a trac ticket? I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The world doesn't require Potlatch 2 wondrousness. The world would already sigh with relief if Potlatch could be made to not break relation ordering when a way is split ;-) Has the world

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently waiting for Potlatch 2 to be released and will *then* complain about everything that *still* doesn't work. (My info comes from several mentions on, you guessed it, talk-de.) Oh, I'd guessed that much. No-one outside

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 09:30, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Java6 has been around for more than three years now (and other OSM software, e.g. Osmosis, already depends on it) so if you are still using an older version it might be time to upgrade. (If you are in the unfortunate

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Thursday 11 March 2010 11:40:56, Frederik Ramm dijo: I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently waiting for Potlatch 2 to be released and will *then* complain about everything that *still* doesn't work. The world is trying to *preemptively* ban potlatch 2 :-P -- Iván Sánchez

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Seventy 7
grin :D Any clues or teasers as to what this might contain? - Original Message - From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:23:00 -0800 (PST) Frederik Ramm wrote: If you

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
Richard Fairhurst wrote: multiple snips ...JOSM in anticipation of imminent Potlatch 2 wondrousness. How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free software? (non-free flash, and you can't touch their source code!) You can run JOSM using only libre and/or open source software. Not

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Łukasz Jernaś
2010/3/11 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: El día Thursday 11 March 2010 11:40:56, Frederik Ramm dijo: I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently waiting for Potlatch 2 to be released and will *then* complain about everything that *still* doesn't work. The world is trying

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free software? (non-free flash, and you can't touch their source code!) You can run JOSM using only libre and/or open source software. Not only JOSM, there's much more software that can be run on fully free

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free software? (non-free flash, and you can't touch their source code!) Personally? I don't give a shit about free software. Or

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: If all the code and all the tools we used were to be licensed costly software, who would pay for OSM? We'd all use Google Map Maker then. Under Safari ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 March 2010 17:50, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: If all the code and all the tools we used were to be licensed costly software, who would pay for OSM? We'd all use Google Map Maker then. Under Safari ;-) What about Mapzen under IE?