Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-12 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: > I agree with you when a large amount of new people start the quality > can go down.  My theory is there needs to be a certain ratio of senior > mappers to new people to keep the quality high.  However I think as > people learn how to fix their

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Andrew Errington [mailto:a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk] > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions > > I thought this was foolish at the time, and it still is. > > highway=* should match the classification given by the government or > roading authority, and sh

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/7/2011 7:08 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: I don't know for sure, but I expect that the initial list of road classifications were derived from UK Ordnance Survey classifications: Motorway - motorway A road - primary B road - secondary 'yellow' road - tertiary 'white' road - unclassified dual-

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/7/2011 7:31 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: But if the road classification matches to the actual utility of the road why not use it. It doesn't in the U.S. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/7/2011 7:42 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 12/7/2011 6:47 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: There are a lot of road classifications already in the wiki for example here is the one for the US: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Road_Classification This has a number of problems: http:

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/7/2011 6:47 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: There are a lot of road classifications already in the wiki for example here is the one for the US: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Road_Classification This has a number of problems: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NE2/classif

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Andrew Errington
On Thu, December 8, 2011 09:27, Tobias Knerr wrote: > With the German road numbering scheme, the administrative > classification is also already defined by the ref=* tag. So choosing the > highway value based on the administrative classification would duplicate > that information. Hmm. Unfortuna

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Andrew Errington
On Thu, December 8, 2011 09:20, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Andrew Errington wrote: > >> I don't know for sure, but I expect that the initial list of road >> classifications were derived from UK Ordnance Survey classifications: >> > > Yes. > > >> Motorway - motorway >> B road - secondary >> 'yellow'

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Kate Chapman
So in my experience in Indonesia we have translated the presets literally. As you would with a translation I suppose=). The question the repeatedly comes up in the training though is "is this the equivalent of X road-type in Indonesia." It seems like people have an okay idea of how the types map

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
Kate Chapman wrote: > I'm not sure why that makes sense. Saying to people "Okay we know you > call these types of roads national government roads, well in OSM we > call them primary. So let's create a completely new vocabulary in > your country that nobody will remember." There isn't only one po

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andrew Errington wrote: > I don't know for sure, but I expect that the initial list of road > classifications were derived from UK Ordnance Survey > classifications: Yes. > Motorway - motorway > B road - secondary > 'yellow' road - tertiary > 'white' road - unclassified Pretty much, yes. tertia

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Andrew Errington
On Wed, December 7, 2011 22:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/12/7 Kate Chapman : > >> I wonder if custom presets could help with the road classification. >> We've had the same problem in parts of Indonesia, but that is because >> the road classifications are simply translated.  Translating th

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Kate Chapman
Martin, I'm not sure why that makes sense. Saying to people "Okay we know you call these types of roads national government roads, well in OSM we call them primary. So let's create a completely new vocabulary in your country that nobody will remember." There are a lot of road classifications al

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread mick
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:58:30 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/12/7 mick : > >> Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> That's an interesting thought, but part of the excitement of > >> contributing to OSM is the instant gratification of seeing your own > >> improvements on the map and being able to sh

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/12/7 Kate Chapman : > I wonder if custom presets could help with the road classification. > We've had the same problem in parts of Indonesia, but that is because > the road classifications are simply translated.  Translating the word > primary doesn't mean much for the type of road it is.  Cha

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/12/7 mick : >> Martijn van Exel wrote: >> That's an interesting thought, but part of the excitement of >> contributing to OSM is the instant gratification of seeing your own >> improvements on the map and being able to share your knowledge with >> the world right away. Having new contributors

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-06 Thread mick
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:11:03 -0700 Martijn van Exel wrote: > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:23 PM, mick wrote: > [..] > >> If OSM is taught in the classroom and this results in lots of errors, > >> then either OSM was not the right subject to teach, or was not taught > >> well ;) > > > > Letting utter

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-06 Thread mick
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:45:37 +0100 Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:37:32 + > "Jaakko Helleranta.com" wrote: > > That is: as the contributors' tech-savvyness decreases we see a clear > > hike in various sorts of data problems. > > ... > > > Not having _something_ like t

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-06 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:37:32 + > "Jaakko Helleranta.com" wrote: >> That is: as the contributors' tech-savvyness decreases we see a clear >> hike in various sorts of data problems. > > ... > >> Not having _something_ like this is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:37:32 + "Jaakko Helleranta.com" wrote: > That is: as the contributors' tech-savvyness decreases we see a clear > hike in various sorts of data problems. ... > Not having _something_ like this is a major problem. There is an obvious alternative solution - if OpenSt

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: > I know, and that's why I shouldn't have even put it in the Subject. So, I'm > talking about flagging changesets (that are already committed into the live > db) for review. We've talked about changeset comments (and possibly flags, a

Re: [OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: > This is precisely what I've seen in Haiti and discussed with a number of the > local contributors, too. > > That is: as the contributors' tech-savvyness decreases we see a clear hike in > various sorts of data problems. This is an i

[OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

2011-12-06 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
This is precisely what I've seen in Haiti and discussed with a number of the local contributors, too. That is: as the contributors' tech-savvyness decreases we see a clear hike in various sorts of data problems. Bundle that with not-so-large active user base (of people who do quality fixing) an