Cartinus wrote:
> A powerstation and a gas distribution node are physical things (fenced off
> areas) and not administrative entities, so this comparison is just weird
> IMHO.
I think Martijn was referring to the areas served by a particular power
station or gas distribution node, not to the sta
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Stubbs wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Shaun McDonald
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On 1 Jun 2008, at 22:52, Cartinus wrote:
>>>
On Sunday 01 June 2008 17:43:11 Karl Newman wrote:
>> The examples
Dave Stubbs wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Shaun McDonald
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 1 Jun 2008, at 22:52, Cartinus wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday 01 June 2008 17:43:11 Karl Newman wrote:
> The examples that keep being quoted are of 'towns' that straddle
> state
> boundaries
On Monday 02 June 2008 10:38:59 Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> Most people ignore them because they are irrevelent to most people.
> They make no laws, have no jurisdiction. In that sense they're more
> like postcode boundaries: a fairly arbitrary division of area for the
> purposes of optimising
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Cartinus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For another less obvious example closer to Martijn van Oosterhout:
> A Dutch "waterschap" is an administrative level that resorts directly below
> the national government. Several of them straddle provincial boundaries. In
> the
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Shaun McDonald
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 1 Jun 2008, at 22:52, Cartinus wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 01 June 2008 17:43:11 Karl Newman wrote:
The examples that keep being quoted are of 'towns' that straddle
state
boundaries in the US
>>
>> I don't kn
On 1 Jun 2008, at 22:52, Cartinus wrote:
> On Sunday 01 June 2008 17:43:11 Karl Newman wrote:
>>> The examples that keep being quoted are of 'towns' that straddle
>>> state
>>> boundaries in the US
>
> I don't know any examples of "towns" straddling state boundaries,
> but "towns"
> straddlin
On Sunday 01 June 2008 17:43:11 Karl Newman wrote:
> > The examples that keep being quoted are of 'towns' that straddle state
> > boundaries in the US
I don't know any examples of "towns" straddling state boundaries, but "towns"
straddling county boundaries are common enough to break the model.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> > Do you have an example if such a jurisdictional anomoly? It would seem
> > to me that such a "servant with two masters" would have some rather
> > interesting problems.
>
> The examples tha
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
Making the EU a 'relation' would imply that the same guide lines should be
applied to the other list of examples?
I'm not too bothered HOW things are done, as long as the SAME guidelines are
used around the world? At present 'UK' seems to be at odds with 'England' a
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same applies to any of the country boundaries, do you draw high water line, or
> the international demarcation out on the continental shelf.
> And England and Ireland are part of Europe and the EU so do you include the
> wa
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm not bothered that these levels are numbers, it is just that the CURRENT
>> numbers do not allow for ALL of the levels as THIS list suggests.
>>
>> I still think there is a place for cont
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not bothered that these levels are numbers, it is just that the CURRENT
> numbers do not allow for ALL of the levels as THIS list suggests.
>
> I still think there is a place for continents here rather than having to
>
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> El Viernes, 30 de Mayo de 2008, Lester Caine escribió:
>> Personally I've been viewing admin_level=0 as the world.
>
> Yeah, say that again when extraterrestrials invade us :-P
we can always have -ve number ;)
>> admin_level=1 should equal the continents
>
> I'm agai
El Viernes, 30 de Mayo de 2008, Lester Caine escribió:
> Personally I've been viewing admin_level=0 as the world.
Yeah, say that again when extraterrestrials invade us :-P
> admin_level=1 should equal the continents
I'm against this definition. A continent is a geographical separation, not an
a
Lester Caine wrote:
>
> Personally I've been viewing admin_level=0 as the world.
> admin_level=1 should equal the continents
> admin_level=2 for countries ( UNITED KINGDOM )
> admin_level=3 ( or so ) for states/areas ( ENGLAND )
It seems like level 4 is already used as you describe for level 3.
>
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Yes, for rendering decisions like X >=5. That doesn't imply it's the
>> best approach for storing the data. Don't tag for renderers etc.
>
> It's not tagging for renderers. It's tagging for an
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:43 PM, elvin ibbotson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: Sebastian Spaeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 30 May 2008 14:16:59 BDT
> Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
>
> elvin ibbot
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, for rendering decisions like X >=5. That doesn't imply it's the
> best approach for storing the data. Don't tag for renderers etc.
It's not tagging for renderers. It's tagging for anything that wishes
to programmatically
elvin ibbotson wrote:
> I for one do not want to have to be flicking backwards and forwards
> between wiki pages looking up the correct tagging convention when I am
> trying to edit the map. I much prefer simply choosing from the options
> Potlatch or JOSM present to me. Unfortunately, all to of
From: Sebastian Spaeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 30 May 2008 14:16:59 BDT
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
elvin ibbotson wrote:
As I understand it the numbers are not the problem, it
arises from people not knowing which is the
2008/5/30 Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Also suggest a compromise for now.
Good call. Steve for President. But of what country?...
I'll get me coat.
Dermot
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because 99% of applications don't care the slightest how the internal
> subdivisions of some random country in the world compare to those in
> england. All renderers care about is "is boundary A more or less
> imp
elvin ibbotson wrote:
> As I understand it the numbers are not the problem, it
> arises from people not knowing which is the right number to use (eg.
> England/Scotland border admin_level 2 or 4?). This is why I think
> numbers are useful in the data but users should not have to know what
> number
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Other words *could* be mapped into the same numbers. But since we can
> see quite clearly that there are more than 10 types of administrative
> boundaries in the world, and different people have different opinions
> as to whi
On 30 May 2008, at 10:26, Dave Stubbs wrote:
>
> Yes, it's the "there seemed to be more prejudice than logic in the
> discussion" bit, which is complete rubbish.
No offence. It's just that anyone who does not agree with my logic
must be prejudiced :-)
>
>
>> I'm no brain surgeon but, from what
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:48 AM, elvin ibbotson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 30 May 2008, at 00:19, Dave Stubbs wrote:
>
> This strand of the discussion (below) though echoes the earlier thread I
> kicked off (but gave up pursuing because there seemed to be more prejudice
> than logic in the dis
seat for the TT races next month :-)
> elvin ibbotson
>
> From: Shaun McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 29 May 2008 13:43:43 BDT
> To: Bruce Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Island
On 30 May 2008, at 00:19, Dave Stubbs wrote:
This strand of the discussion (below) though echoes the earlier
thread I
kicked off (but gave up pursuing because there seemed to be more
prejudice
than logic in the discussion) about the idea of numerically-based
properties
in the database mappe
> This strand of the discussion (below) though echoes the earlier thread I
> kicked off (but gave up pursuing because there seemed to be more prejudice
> than logic in the discussion) about the idea of numerically-based properties
> in the database mapped to human-friendly language in editors and v
Surprised no one has posted this link yet:
http://qntm.org/?uk
A nice Venn diagram of the UK. :)
Beau
On 5/29/08, Robert (Jamie) Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Dermot McNally wrote:
> |
> | But the clue here is that we're discussing
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Bruce Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:26 +0100, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
>
> > I've always thought that England / Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland
> > forming the UK are pretty similar to the 50 states forming the USA - I
> > think
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:26 +0100, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
> I've always thought that England / Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland
> forming the UK are pretty similar to the 50 states forming the USA - I
> think it would be reasonable to use the same markings on the default map
> to divide th
ald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 29 May 2008 13:43:43 BDT
To: Bruce Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
On 29 May 2008, at 13:31, Bruce Cowan wrote:
Seriously, the number system for borders is rather strange, sure
Forgot to hit reply all ;)
Shaun McDonald wrote:
> On 29 May 2008, at 13:31, Bruce Cowan wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:57 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
>>> According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence,
>>> and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ire
El Jueves, 29 de Mayo de 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
> > BTW, Juan, you should probably avoid suggesting to Irish people that
> > they live on a British island ;)
>
> Just imagine the protests at the State of the Map
Flight reservation - check
B&B booking - check
Anthems - check
National
>
> BTW, Juan, you should probably avoid suggesting to Irish people that
> they live on a British island ;)
>
Just imagine the protests at the State of the Map
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Shaun McDonald wrote:
> Seemingly a lot of people seem to regard the UK as England. It's
> not the first time someone's asked me what it's like in England.
> Until about 6 weeks ago I was unable to tell them because I had
> never lived in England until then.
Same thing with Sweden! Foreigners
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dermot McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/5/29 Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database.
>
> It has. I've been tweaking bits of it for months now. Look for ID 24428706.
>
>> This is just an indication of the c
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| But the clue here is that we're discussing the appropriate use of
| boundary tagging, specifically a thing we call admin_level. I guess
| none of us will disagree that Germany and the UK get to exercise a
| higher level of adm
On 29 May 2008, at 13:31, Bruce Cowan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:57 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
>> According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence,
>> and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss
>> something?
>
> Give it a few years,
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:57 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
> According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence,
> and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss
> something?
Give it a few years, then it will be true.
Seriously, the number system f
2008/5/29 Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database.
It has. I've been tweaking bits of it for months now. Look for ID 24428706.
> This is just an indication of the conflicted definition of country,
> nation, and national. The borders are in the OSM D
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and
>> Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and
> Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something?
>
The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database.
As
On Thursday 29 May 2008 12:29:05 Dermot McNally wrote:
> I've just fixed the Irish border, which luckily presents no such
> dilemma, as it is an international border, even by non-UK criteria. It
> lacked admin_level=2.
Shouldn't that be admin_level=1 now, since it is also the outside border of
t
On 29 May 2008, at 11:41, Dermot McNally wrote:
> 2008/5/29 Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Dermot McNally wrote:
>>
>>> 2008/5/29 Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Scotland and Wales are countries.
>>>
>>> Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or
>>> He
2008/5/29 Dermot McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/5/29 Tom Chance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are
> countries
> > with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other
> > national border.
>
> Well, in a UK context,
2008/5/29 Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dermot McNally wrote:
>
>> 2008/5/29 Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Scotland and Wales are countries.
>>
>> Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or
>> Hessen are.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
>
2008/5/29 Tom Chance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries
> with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other
> national border.
Well, in a UK context, NI is actually a province, and isn't Wales a
principality? E
Dermot McNally wrote:
> 2008/5/29 Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Scotland and Wales are countries.
>
> Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or
> Hessen are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
thinks it's a bit more than that.
Personally I'm with the v
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France and Germany share the same currency, Iceland has no army, Australia and
England share the same head of state, Scotland has its own Parliament with
certain devo
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> Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 11:20
> Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; talk@openstreetmap.org
> Asunto: RE: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
>
>
>
> Scotland and Wales are countries.
>
> Don't think the border between N
2008/5/29 Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Scotland and Wales are countries.
Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or
Hessen are. So while it's certainly an important thing to reflect on
the map, the boundaries between the UK components (sub-countries?)
shouldn't ren
: jue 29/05/2008 11:20
Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; talk@openstreetmap.org
Asunto: RE: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
Scotland and Wales are countries.
Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been digitised
yet.
Cheers
STEVE
Steve Ch
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Subject: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and
Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss
some
According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and
Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something?
Lucas
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