Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Peter Miller wrote: > To be clear, the ODbL license, when it arrives, will allow people to > create renderings [...] I tend to use a slightly different wording: The ODbL license, if we should adopt it, would allow people to create... I'm trying not to create the impression that ODbL is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-11 Thread Peter Miller
On 11 Nov 2009, at 14:58, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Peter Miller > wrote: >> My reading of this is >> that CloudMade are claiming (c) over the rendered images which would >> make it illegal to copy them without permission. Such a restriction >> is >> of course incompati

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-11 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Peter Miller wrote: > My reading of this is > that CloudMade are claiming (c) over the rendered images which would > make it illegal to copy them without permission. Such a restriction is > of course incompatible with the CC-BY-SA OSM data licence No it isn't. Yo

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-11 Thread Ed Avis
Peter Miller itoworld.com> writes: >A brief update - Shaun and I have been sorting this out with CBT in >the past 24 hours and they now have a new shiny CloudMade slippery map >interface on their site with the normal CM attribution[1]. Nice work! Perhaps, then, Cloudmade Maps should be the

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-11 Thread Peter Miller
On 8 Nov 2009, at 20:12, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Liz wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Anthony wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Lester Caine >>> wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their >>>

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-10 Thread Dave F.
Peter Miller wrote: > 2) The tube and railway symbols are not the normal ones used within > the UK. I will suggest that the overlay the normal UK symbols on the > map in some editing software. I'm sure there are people here (Transit?) who know more, but if you mean this symbol: http://en.wikip

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-10 Thread Shaun McDonald
The style I mentioned below was made by turning the buildings off using the CloudMade Style Editor, which is a lot easier and significantly faster than changing a stylesheet and setting up a tile server. I have used Web Maps Lite (similar to OpenLayers) on my own site, with tiles coming from Clo

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-10 Thread Konrad Skeri
While OSM is extremely powerful and present us with limitless posibilities, I very much doubt that every user would set up an own tile server and write a rendering definition. In fact most irregular users (like the ones getting a static map to show the location of their office at a website) will pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Miller
On 10 Nov 2009, at 12:33, Shaun McDonald wrote: > > On 10 Nov 2009, at 12:20, Peter Miller wrote: > >> >> On 10 Nov 2009, at 11:36, Peter Childs wrote: >> >>> While the map "quaility" may have some weight as to why people use >>> Google (or Bing for that matter) I suspect the bigger problem is th

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-10 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 10 Nov 2009, at 12:20, Peter Miller wrote: > > On 10 Nov 2009, at 11:36, Peter Childs wrote: > >> While the map "quaility" may have some weight as to why people use >> Google (or Bing for that matter) I suspect the bigger problem is the >> User Interface. >> >> We have a good UI for map making

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Miller
On 10 Nov 2009, at 11:36, Peter Childs wrote: > While the map "quaility" may have some weight as to why people use > Google (or Bing for that matter) I suspect the bigger problem is the > User Interface. > > We have a good UI for map making maps but the API for rending and > searching the maps is

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Childs
While the map "quaility" may have some weight as to why people use Google (or Bing for that matter) I suspect the bigger problem is the User Interface. We have a good UI for map making maps but the API for rending and searching the maps is hmm well complicated. Part of the problem stems from ther

[OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Miller
On 8 Nov 2009, at 20:12, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Liz wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Anthony wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Lester Caine >>> wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their >>>

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Liz wrote: > On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Anthony wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Lester Caine wrote: >> > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: >> >> Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their >> >> business website if they spent a week surveying t

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-08 Thread Liz
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > >> Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their > >> business website if they spent a week surveying their surrounding area > >> / creating custom rende

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: >> Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their >> business website if they spent a week surveying their surrounding area >> / creating custom renderings. But that's not very helpful when they

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-08 Thread Lester Caine
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their > business website if they spent a week surveying their surrounding area > / creating custom renderings. But that's not very helpful when they > can just embed Google instantly and get the same results

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-07 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Saturday 07 Nov 2009 2:30:54 pm Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Likewise setting up your own rendering takes half a day at best if > you're not already familiar with the rendering tools involved. > OSM reflects changes within minutes -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FO

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-07 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Shaun McDonald wrote: > > On 7 Nov 2009, at 13:32, Anthony wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason >> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their >>> business website if they spent a week surveying the

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-07 Thread Tom Chance
2009/11/7 Shaun McDonald > Maybe we need some method for companies/organisations to be able to > say that an area isn't surveyed to a level they want and that they > would like a particular area to be surveyed to a higher degree for a > specific purpose. OpenStreetBugs is more for point errors, r

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-07 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 7 Nov 2009, at 13:32, Anthony wrote: > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason > wrote: >> Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their >> business website if they spent a week surveying their surrounding >> area >> / creating custom renderings. But that'

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-07 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their > business website if they spent a week surveying their surrounding area > / creating custom renderings. But that's not very helpful when they > can just embed Google i

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-07 Thread Dave F.
Liz wrote: > On Sat, 7 Nov 2009, Dave F. wrote: > >>> I asked an NGO based in London why they use Google Maps instead of OSM on >>> their 'contact us' page >>> >> To all the people who posted earlier than me: >> >> Yes, you all stated how it could be done & how to correct it, but... >

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do you use Google Maps instead of OSM? Because of buildings...

2009-11-07 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: > What the web person *should* have done is looked at OSM in their new > location and fixed the underlying data (if it was wrong or incomplete) or > made their own map based on the data, but omitting the features they > didn't like. The web