2010/5/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 23 May 2010 01:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is
completely relative to context)? You can see that a place is isolated
(given completeness of the map ;-)
On 23 May 2010 18:35, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/5/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 23 May 2010 01:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is
completely relative to context)?
2010/5/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
And the whole thing became one big mess due to cultural differences...
I don't know why. Places where one person, 2 persons, one family live,
are isolated dwellings, if they are not connected to other such
dwellings in the surrounding (and the
On 23 May 2010 18:46, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know why. Places where one person, 2 persons, one family live,
The same reason cultural difference effect the language people uses
and get used to calling things.
A spanner isn't always a spanner, some times it's
On Sun, 23 May 2010,
cultural differences...
I don't know why.
Without wishing to cause offence, we need to accept that there are cultural
differences. We cannot ever understand them all, but we can accept that we do
not all see the world the same way.
I think that I understand that in
2010/5/23 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
I think that I understand that in Germany isolated_place is a defined type of
entity, while in other places it represents a subjective decision.
in some way, many of our tags include subjective decisions. I can find
quite some results for isolated_dwelling and
On Sun, 23 May 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/5/23 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
I think that I understand that in Germany isolated_place is a defined
type of entity, while in other places it represents a subjective
decision.
in some way, many of our tags include subjective decisions. I
2010/5/23 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net:
isolated dwelling here sounds like it is architect or journalist talk, not any
cartographic or geo-orientated word. That's a decision from the context,
because the phrase does not hold a particular meaning in a geographic sense
Here it
2010/5/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
have a look on page 4:
On Sun, 23 May 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/5/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
have a look on page 4:
http://www.google.de/url?sa=tsource=webct=rescd=1ved=0CB0QFjAAurl=http
%3A%2F%2F202.82.16.155%2Fbss%2Fgeography%2Fs7_ppt%2Fch6.pptrct=jq=settlem
Allright, back to topic - can someone add place=isolated_dwelling to
map features?
Cheers,
Peter.
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On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote:
Allright, back to topic - can someone add place=isolated_dwelling to
map features?
Should every approved key:value be placed in Map Features? If so, how
do we manage the size of that page?
select place, count(place)
2010/5/23 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com:
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote:
Allright, back to topic - can someone add place=isolated_dwelling to
map features?
Should every approved key:value be placed in Map Features? If so, how
do we manage the
On 24 May 2010 02:40, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote:
mentioned here. There is enough indication that lot of people want to
see this clarified.
Or at least a voicetress minority making enough noise to push it
through, if this tag is so popular why is there only 42 instances of
it in
Or at least a voicetress minority making enough noise to push it
through, if this tag is so popular why is there only 42 instances of
it in use?
And what is the actuall difference against the slightly more popular
residence with 43 usages?
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On 24 May 2010 06:05, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote:
Or at least a voicetress minority making enough noise to push it
through, if this tag is so popular why is there only 42 instances of
it in use?
And what is the actuall difference against the slightly more popular
residence with
2010/5/22 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org:
population in general cannot combine farming and fishing. Many of
these are so isolated that there exists no cars there.
IMHO the isolated in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether
a building is part of a bigger settlement or is isolated
On 22 May 2010 20:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
IMHO the isolated in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether
So place=farm, isolated=yes ?
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2010/5/22 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 22 May 2010 20:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
IMHO the isolated in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether
So place=farm, isolated=yes ?
actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:56 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/5/22 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org:
population in general cannot combine farming and fishing. Many of
these are so isolated that there exists no cars there.
IMHO the isolated in isolated dwelling is
On 23 May 2010 01:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is
completely relative to context)? You can see that a place is isolated
(given completeness of the map ;-) ). Maybe I was unclear above, I see
I made that
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote:
I took the freedom to remove the mark of deprecated on place=farm
and wrote a page with an easy to understand (I hope) definition of
what a farm can be different from isolated dwelling
Hi,
Pieren wrote:
place=farm
In some countries the official type of a residential area smaller than a
hamlet (Germany: Gehöft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Geh%C3%B6ft).
place=isolated_dwelling
In some countries the official type of a residential area smaller than a
hamlet (Germany:
On Fri, 21 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Pieren wrote:
place=farm
In some countries the official type of a residential area smaller than a
hamlet (Germany: Gehöft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Geh%C3%B6ft).
place=isolated_dwelling
In some countries the official type of a
2010/5/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
.
place=farm - use this for residential areas smaller than a hamlet,
unless you think that place=isolated_dwelling is more appropriate
farm is usage of the place. place=* tag is definitely more about size
of settlement than usage of
2010/5/21 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org:
I took the freedom to remove the mark of deprecated on place=farm
and wrote a page with an easy to understand (I hope) definition of
what a farm can be different from isolated dwelling
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm
OK, I made
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote:
farm is usage of the place. place=* tag is definitely more about size
of settlement than usage of it.
Exactly. That's why I suggest (and some others) to deprecate place=farm.
Otherwise, we will see in the futur
2010/5/21 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
No reasons to stop this mess where in the past the place hierarchy was quite
clear:
city town village hamlet locality
this is actually not clear, because locality was long ago (or has ever
been) defined as uninhabited place, regardless the size of the
An old definition of places in Norway (do not know if it actually
legal definition anymore) was as follow
Land (nation) - herred (region) - amt (state) - fogd (church area)
- len (munincipality) - by (city or town) / grend (hamlet) - gard
(farm)
Some of these have been weakened with time, so
2010/5/19 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org:
How to tag Norwegian named farms making part of a grend which I
would have tagged as hamlet? They are not isolated dwellings as they
are not isolated, just parts of the larger unit.
how much distance there is required to be isolated depends surely
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/5/19 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org:
How to tag Norwegian named farms making part of a grend which I
would have tagged as hamlet? They are not isolated dwellings as they
are not isolated, just parts of
I took the freedom to remove the mark of deprecated on place=farm
and wrote a page with an easy to understand (I hope) definition of
what a farm can be different from isolated dwelling
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:57 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Hi,
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are
isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on
regular
maps as if they were towns
I'm sure that the Argentinians and the Americans have similar farms.
then they
On Wed, 19 May 2010, you wrote:
But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ?
No.
Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are
isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on
regular maps as if they were towns
I'm sure that the
2010/5/19 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
Hi,
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are
isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on
regular
maps as if they were towns
I'm sure that the Argentinians and
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:11 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/5/19 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net:
On Wed, 19 May 2010, you wrote:
But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ?
No.
Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are
On 19 May 2010 22:11, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess you would generally have to adopt the criteria for places in
AU, we did this in Germany and Italy as well. e.g. 999 inhabitants is
far too big for a hamlet in Europe. Towns we are not classifying by
population (on
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to
the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was
approved.
Pieren wrote:
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to
the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was
approved.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote:
As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, not all isolated dwellings are
farms.
But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ?
Pieren
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not all isolated dwellings are farms.
But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ?
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2010/5/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote:
As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, not all isolated dwellings
are farms.
But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ?
yes, that's why I marked place=farm as
Hi,
M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a
(temporary) note that it should be changed to isolated_dwelling.
But doesn't that lose information? Why would one want that?
Bye
Frederik
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2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a
(temporary) note that it should be changed to isolated_dwelling.
But doesn't that lose information? Why would one want that?
I was implying that you put the
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:49 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
I was implying that you put the farm information to where it belongs,
i.e. if there is a place=farm you could transscribe this to
place=isolated_dwelling, landuse=farmyard.
Hi,
M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I was implying that you put the farm information to where it belongs,
i.e. if there is a place=farm you could transscribe this to
place=isolated_dwelling, landuse=farmyard.
Oh, I guess I hadn't followed this enough, I thought that
isolated_dwelling was meant to
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
Oh, I guess I hadn't followed this enough, I thought that isolated_dwelling
was meant to be a node tag.
it is a node or polygon-tag. Up to the mapper. In the end all
place-tags are best on polygons and not on nodes.
Cheers,
Martin
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
Right, but this means you cannot downgrade a place=farm that sits on a node
to a place=isolated_dwelling without loss of information because you could
not attach landuse=farmyard to a node. At least that would be a very unusual
way of tagging.
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote:
But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ?
No.
Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are
isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular
maps as if they were towns
I'm sure that the
2010/5/18 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote:
But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ?
No.
Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are
isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular
maps as if they
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