Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On 24 May 2010 06:05, Aun Johnsen wrote: >> Or at least a voicetress minority making enough noise to push it >> through, if this tag is so popular why is there only 42 instances of >> it in use? >> > > And what is the actuall difference against the slightly more popular > "residence" with 43 usage

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

> Or at least a voicetress minority making enough noise to push it > through, if this tag is so popular why is there only 42 instances of > it in use? > And what is the actuall difference against the slightly more popular "residence" with 43 usages? ___

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On 24 May 2010 02:40, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > mentioned here. There is enough indication that lot of people want to > see this clarified. Or at least a voicetress minority making enough noise to push it through, if this tag is so popular why is there only 42 instances of it in use? __

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/23 Richard Weait : > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: >> Allright, back to topic - can someone add place=isolated_dwelling to >> map features? > > Should every approved key:value be placed in Map Features?  If so, how > do we manage the size of that page? For Chri

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > Allright, back to topic - can someone add place=isolated_dwelling to > map features? Should every approved key:value be placed in Map Features? If so, how do we manage the size of that page? select place, count(place) as nodes from pl

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

Allright, back to topic - can someone add place=isolated_dwelling to map features? Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Sun, 23 May 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > have a look on page 4: > http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http > %3A%2F%2F202.82.16.155%2Fbss%2Fgeography%2Fs7_ppt%2Fch6.ppt&rct=j&q=settlem > ent+hierarchy+australia+%22isolate

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : have a look on page 4: http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2F202.82.16.155%2Fbss%2Fgeography%2Fs7_ppt%2Fch6.ppt&rct=j&q=settlement+hierarchy+australia+%22isolated+dwelling%22&ei=Lvj4S6Avy5SxBsW4saQG&usg=AFQjCNHSpmbBmk6NWB

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/23 Elizabeth Dodd : > isolated dwelling here sounds like it is architect or journalist talk, not any > cartographic or geo-orientated word. That's a decision from the context, > because the phrase does not hold a particular meaning in a geographic sense Here it (Einzelsiedlung) is a word f

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Sun, 23 May 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/23 Liz : > > I think that I understand that in Germany isolated_place is a defined > > type of entity, while in other places it represents a subjective > > decision. > > in some way, many of our tags include subjective decisions. I can find

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/23 Liz : > I think that I understand that in Germany isolated_place is a defined type of > entity, while in other places it represents a subjective decision. in some way, many of our tags include subjective decisions. I can find quite some results for isolated_dwelling and Australia in Goo

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Sun, 23 May 2010, > cultural differences... > > > > I don't know why. Without wishing to cause offence, we need to accept that there are cultural differences. We cannot ever understand them all, but we can accept that we do not all see the world the same way. I think that I understand tha

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On 23 May 2010 18:46, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I don't know why. Places where one person, 2 persons, one family live, The same reason cultural difference effect the language people uses and get used to calling things. A spanner isn't always a spanner, some times it's wrench... _

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/23 John Smith : > And the whole thing became one big mess due to cultural differences... > I don't know why. Places where one person, 2 persons, one family live, are isolated dwellings, if they are not connected to other such dwellings in the surrounding (and the cultural differences are I

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On 23 May 2010 18:35, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/23 John Smith : >> On 23 May 2010 01:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is >>> completely relative to context)? You can see that a place is isolated >>> (given completeness

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/23 John Smith : > On 23 May 2010 01:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is >> completely relative to context)? You can see that a place is isolated >> (given completeness of the map ;-) ). Maybe I was unclear above, I see > > I

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On 23 May 2010 01:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is > completely relative to context)? You can see that a place is isolated > (given completeness of the map ;-) ). Maybe I was unclear above, I see I made that comment in the begin

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:56 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/22 Aun Johnsen : >> population in general cannot combine farming and fishing. Many of >> these are so isolated that there exists no cars there. > > > IMHO the "isolated" in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether > a buil

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/22 John Smith : > On 22 May 2010 20:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> IMHO the "isolated" in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether > > So place=farm, isolated=yes ? actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is completely relative to context)? You can see

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On 22 May 2010 20:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > IMHO the "isolated" in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether So place=farm, isolated=yes ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/22 Aun Johnsen : > population in general cannot combine farming and fishing. Many of > these are so isolated that there exists no cars there. IMHO the "isolated" in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether a building is part of a bigger settlement or is isolated and therefore to be

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

An old definition of places in Norway (do not know if it actually legal definition anymore) was as follow Land (nation) -> herred (region) -> amt (state) -> fogd (church area) -> len (munincipality) -> by (city or town) / grend (hamlet) -> gard (farm) Some of these have been weakened with time, s

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/21 Pieren : > No reasons to stop this mess where in the past the place hierarchy was quite > clear: > city > town > village > hamlet > locality this is actually not clear, because locality was long ago (or has ever been) defined as uninhabited place, regardless the size of the feature (so

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > farm is usage of the place. place=* tag is definitely more about size > of settlement than usage of it. > Exactly. That's why I suggest (and some others) to deprecate place=farm. Otherwise, we will see in the futur place=restaurant, pl

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/21 Aun Johnsen : > I took the freedom to remove the mark of "deprecated" on place=farm > and wrote a page with an easy to understand (I hope) definition of > what a farm can be different from isolated dwelling > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm OK, I made some further ch

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/21 Frederik Ramm : . > place=farm - use this for residential areas smaller than a hamlet, > unless you think that place=isolated_dwelling is more appropriate farm is usage of the place. place=* tag is definitely more about size of settlement than usage of it. > place=isolat

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Fri, 21 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Pieren wrote: > > place=farm > > In some countries the official type of a residential area smaller than a > > hamlet (Germany: Gehöft ). > > > > place=isolated_dwelling > > In some countries the offic

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

Hi, Pieren wrote: > place=farm > In some countries the official type of a residential area smaller than a > hamlet (Germany: Gehöft ). > > place=isolated_dwelling > In some countries the official type of a residential area smaller than a > hamlet (Ge

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Aun Johnsen wrote: > I took the freedom to remove the mark of "deprecated" on place=farm > and wrote a page with an easy to understand (I hope) definition of > what a farm can be different from isolated dwelling > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfar

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

I took the freedom to remove the mark of "deprecated" on place=farm and wrote a page with an easy to understand (I hope) definition of what a farm can be different from isolated dwelling http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:57 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/19 Aun Johnsen : >> How to tag Norwegian named farms making part of a "grend" which I >> would have tagged as hamlet? They are not isolated dwellings as they >> are not isolated, just parts of the larger unit. > > > how much dist

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/19 Aun Johnsen : > How to tag Norwegian named farms making part of a "grend" which I > would have tagged as hamlet? They are not isolated dwellings as they > are not isolated, just parts of the larger unit. how much distance there is required to be "isolated" depends surely on the cultural

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On 19 May 2010 22:11, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I guess you would generally have to adopt the criteria for places in > AU, we did this in Germany and Italy as well. e.g. 999 inhabitants is > far too big for a hamlet in Europe. Towns we are not classifying by > population (on the lower end) but

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:11 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/19 Elizabeth Dodd : >> On Wed, 19 May 2010, you wrote: >>> >> But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? >>> > >>> > No. >>> > Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are >>> > isolated in te

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/19 Elizabeth Dodd : > On Wed, 19 May 2010, you wrote: >> >> But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? >> > >> > No. >> > Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are >> > isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on >> > regular

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/19 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> >>> Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are >>> isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on >>> regular >>> maps as if they were towns >>> I'm sure that the Argentinians an

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Wed, 19 May 2010, you wrote: > >> But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? > > > > No. > > Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are > > isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on > > regular maps as if they were towns > > I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

Hi, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are >> isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on >> regular >> maps as if they were towns >> I'm sure that the Argentinians and the Americans have similar farms. >

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/18 Liz : > On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote: >> But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? >> > No. > Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are > isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular > maps as if they were tow

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote: > But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? > No. Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular maps as if they were towns I'm sure that the Arge

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm : > Right, but this means you cannot downgrade a place=farm that sits on a node > to a place=isolated_dwelling without loss of information because you could > not attach landuse=farmyard to a node. At least that would be a very unusual > way of tagging. > Effectively you

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm : > Oh, I guess I hadn't followed this enough, I thought that isolated_dwelling > was meant to be a node tag. it is a node or polygon-tag. Up to the mapper. In the end all place-tags are best on polygons and not on nodes. Cheers, Martin __

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I was implying that you put the farm information to where it belongs, > i.e. if there is a place=farm you could transscribe this to > place=isolated_dwelling, landuse=farmyard. Oh, I guess I hadn't followed this enough, I thought that isolated_dwelling was meant

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:49 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I was implying that you put the farm information to where it belongs, > i.e. if there is a place=farm you could transscribe this to > place=isolated_dwelling, landuse=farmyard. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmy

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm : > M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a >> (temporary) note that it should be changed to isolated_dwelling. > > But doesn't that lose information? Why would one want that? I was implying that you put the farm informa

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a > (temporary) note that it should be changed to isolated_dwelling. But doesn't that lose information? Why would one want that? Bye Frederik ___ talk maili

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010/5/18 Pieren : > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: >> >> As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, not all isolated dwellings >> are farms. >> > > But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a (te

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > not all isolated dwellings are farms. > > But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, not all isolated dwellings are > farms. > > But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

Pieren wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to > the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was > approved. > http://wiki.

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to > the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was > approved. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling > > This

[OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was approved. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing l