Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance / Downtime

2013-11-25 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On Wednesday 27th of November 2013 between 17:30 and 22:00 (GMT / UTC) the primary database server will be unavailable due to maintenance. I apologise for the short notice. Grant, thanks always to you and to the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance / Downtime

2013-11-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:23:43AM -0500, Richard Weait wrote: Grant, thanks always to you and to the full admin team, for making OpenStreetMap work and work well. I appreciate your constant attention to the nitty bits and the gritty bits of OpenStreetMap infrastructure, keeping

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Tilesets on DVD/CDROM?

2013-10-24 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Arnie Shore asho...@verizon.net wrote: All, I've googled unsuccessfully; Can someone point me to any source/vendor of subject tile sets, by say, USA county or state. I think geofabrik does provide this kind of service. http://www.geofabrik.de/maps/tiles.html

[OSM-talk] OSM homepage redesign

2013-10-01 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi all, I note that there hasn't been a recent what developments are currently happening type email, so I'll step in with this one. At SOTM 2013 John Firebaugh (mapbox) presented an update to the SOTM US talk that explored a new vision for the openatreetmap.org website. The talk was well

[OSM-talk] OSM in the energy sector

2013-09-25 Thread Douglas Musaazi
To the OSM community, Last year in July, the energy sector GIS working group organised a workshop where we gave a presentation about mapping day Uganda and OSM. http://mappingday.com/content/mapping-and-gis-energy-sector-workshop 3 months later (October), the Energy Sector GIS Working Group

[OSM-talk] OSM Workshop held at Wikimania

2013-08-10 Thread Cristian Consonni
Hi all, just to say that at Wikimania there has been a OSM Workshop[0] held by user aude (AKA Aude)[1]. We also add a very little and quick mapping party afterwards (which, personal note, was the very first mapping party I ever attended :) ). There has also been other occasion during this

[OSM-talk] OSM server problems?

2013-08-07 Thread Maarten Deen
I'm getting a lot of internal server errors reported by JOSM when I download (small) areas from the server. Is there a problem with the server? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] New tile rendering (Live Worldwide)

2013-08-05 Thread Alex Barth
This is amazing. Fantastic work! On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: Hi OpenStreetMappers, The default OpenStreetMap.org standard map was switched across to a new rendering server setup over the last weekend. In addition to new hardware, the

[OSM-talk] OSM History Viewer

2013-07-15 Thread Mike Thompson
Hello, Does anyone know when the OSM History Viewer (http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de) might be back up? I have been receiving the following message for the last couple of hours: Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM History Viewer

2013-07-15 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
OSM History Viewer has been like that for almost 2 weeks now. This has been reported on the service's official (?) bug reporting system by somebody 10 days ago but there has been no response: https://bugs.cdauth.eu/index.php?do=detailstask_id=80project=2 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Mike

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM History Viewer

2013-07-15 Thread Mike Thompson
Eugene, Thanks! Hopefully it will be up soon. Mike On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: OSM History Viewer has been like that for almost 2 weeks now. This has been reported on the service's official (?) bug reporting system by somebody 10 days ago

[OSM-talk] OSM attributed by Korean firm Naver.

2013-07-04 Thread Andrew Errington
Hello everyone, I noticed recently that an OSM attribution has appeared at the bottom right on Korea's Naver mapping service. Naver is a Korean internet portal which is very popular here (er, in Korea). I don't know exactly what Naver is using OSM for, since I always assumed they acquired and

[OSM-talk] OSM on France24 international news TV channel

2013-06-24 Thread Christian Quest
http://www.france24.com/fr/20130622-internet-cartographie-collaborative There may be a english version somewhere... but not sure. I'm lucky the journalist kept the best part of my way too long explanations ;) -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Un nouveau serveur pour OSM...

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Notes feature

2013-06-01 Thread colliar
Am 01.06.2013 01:38, schrieb Paul Johnson: Curious when the JOSM OpenStreetBugs feature will be updated to handle the new Notes system, does anyone know? See https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8193 It does not have to be either or but both will probably be supported for a while. fly

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Notes feature

2013-06-01 Thread colliar
Am 01.06.2013 01:38, schrieb Paul Johnson: Curious when the JOSM OpenStreetBugs feature will be updated to handle the new Notes system, does anyone know? See https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8193 It does not have to be either or but both will probably be supported for a while. fly

[OSM-talk] OSM Notes feature

2013-05-31 Thread Paul Johnson
Curious when the JOSM OpenStreetBugs feature will be updated to handle the new Notes system, does anyone know? Also curious if the Skobbler folks follow the list, and what the thoughts are of either incorporating their Mapdust category features (I find them handy) into Notes, and/or possibly

[OSM-talk] OSM Authentication Proxy

2013-05-12 Thread Ilya Zverev
Hi! When Frederik asked about using OAuth for the GeoChat plugin, I remembered the same problem I had with the imagery offset database. And since I was in a programming mode, this lead to an idea on how to skip OAuth for client applications, while reliably identifying users. So the whole

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-11 Thread colliar
On 11.05.2013 04:19, malenki wrote: colliar wrote: Am 05.05.2013 05:26, schrieb malenki: The tool replace geometry exists - at least for JOSM. It even works on replacing an old (existing) Node for a new way. Yes it is a nice tool but it only does include the node in the new way. E.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-11 Thread malenki
colliar wrote: You did replace a way with a way but not a node with a way ! Of course. It should be obvious that the ID of a node cannot be transformed into the ID of a way. Using replace geometry on a existing node and a new way is the easiest way to make the existing node part of the new way

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-10 Thread malenki
colliar wrote: Am 05.05.2013 05:26, schrieb malenki: The tool replace geometry exists - at least for JOSM. It even works on replacing an old (existing) Node for a new way. Yes it is a nice tool but it only does include the node in the new way. E.g. you still have a new object representing

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. Do you have any idea how this permanent ID could look like? You dislike the overpass-approach (and yes, it's far from perfect). What is your idea how a stable permanent ID to an object may be achieved? Let's use a shop as an example (and wikidata as the foreign database as an example, too).

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 07.05.2013 00:47, schrieb Tobias Knerr: Am 06.05.2013 23:55, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Am 06.05.2013 23:07, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: If you're not adding those historical entities to OSM (or a similar database like that historical osm once discussed) then there's no issue with linking to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Stefan Keller
Hi, All use cases you describe are valid. It's up to the users of OSM permanent id to keep track of changing OSM ids - it's an offer of OSM. The only constraint I would propose is to avoid to delete and recreate a new id only because of a tool (like an editor) likes to do it like this. The

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 07.05.2013 09:43, schrieb Stefan Keller: Hi, All use cases you describe are valid. It's up to the users of OSM permanent id to keep track of changing OSM ids - it's an offer of OSM. The only constraint I would propose is to avoid to delete and recreate a new id only because of a tool

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Christian Quest
Linking to OSM objet ID looks like a bad idea because they are not stable. We had a recent long talk on talk-fr@ about permanent IDs that could help linking external data to OSM, instead of multiplying ref:xxx in OSM to link to external data. I've proposed something that can be summarized like

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Stefan Keller
Hi, You wrote: - it's roughly in that bounding box (e.g. the city or a given part of A soon as you use the word roughly - the id approach is doomed to fail. According to OO and database technology an id is a well-defined surrogate with a well-defined data type. Yours, Stefan 2013/5/7 Peter

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 07.05.2013 09:58, schrieb Stefan Keller: Hi, You wrote: - it's roughly in that bounding box (e.g. the city or a given part of A soon as you use the word roughly - the id approach is doomed to fail. According to OO and database technology an id is a well-defined surrogate with a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Stefan Keller
2013/5/7 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: Linking to OSM objet ID looks like a bad idea because they are not stable. Agreed. I've proposed something that can be summarized like some generic geoURL that could be used to describe something/somewhere in the form something@somewhere Am

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Stefan Keller
2013/5/7 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: Look what happens in OSM all the time: POIs are moved slightly to match aerial images - following your definition that should be another ID now No, That's one of the nice properties of ids without coordinates! To me it would remain the same -

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Christian Quest
I'm not proposing to add this as a new tag to OSM objects, but to use these geoURL in external datasets instead of OSM IDs. It is a way to keep a (fuzzy) link between datasets. Fuzzyness seems mandatory at some level as I doubt it is possible to have an exact match between data models that are

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Unfortunately I'm too busy to investigate how much elements in OSM change their meaning instead of deleting the old and creating the new object. In addition your fooling the concept is not correct. If a supermarket is abandoned, and was tagged as a building + name + shop=supermarket, you would

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Jo
Say the supermarket downsizes and the other half of the building becomes used by another company. We split the building, creating 1 new building, glued to the original building. Now there is a 50% chance the existing building outline continues as the supermarket and 50% it's the new company

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 07.05.2013 12:56, schrieb Stefan Keller: 2013/5/7 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: you would not delete the whole object and add a new object with the building tag alone, right? I said that it's up to the mapper to decide - as its common in OSM. External services which link to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread Mike
I guess you are all both right and wrong on this matter and thus because you are loking from single angle only. I recognize several different needs: External link to coordinates This is simply link to specific geographic coordinates. As it is not necessarily that there is an object on this

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-07 Thread THEVENON Julien
De : Mike mike.cuttl...@gmail.com I guess you are all both right and wrong on this matter and thus because you are loking from single angle only. [...] If object is split, one part preserves existing ID and other parts are considered as new objects with new ID's assigned. Hi I quite

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Andreas Labres
On 05.05.13 14:55, Kolossos wrote: I don't like to support different reference systems in WIWOSM. I see the point. But WIWOSM seems not to work with anchor-links: Neither

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Janko Mihelić
I made a wikidata tag proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata I think osm -- wikidata is much better than wikidata -- osm. At least while we don't have a solution for persistent ID's. Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread colliar
Am 05.05.2013 05:26, schrieb malenki: On 04.05.2013 15:24, Paul Norman wrote: When I get new imagery for the area and re-trace the building depending on what is easiest I may end up creating a new way. The tool replace geometry exists - at least for JOSM. It even works on replacing an

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Kolossos
Hello Andreas, It seems in principle possible to support anchor-links but it was not in our focus, because our frontend had only one map per article. (You can believe me the sytem was complex enough ;-)). I will talk about this topic with my co-creator and the developer of WikiMiniAtlas. It

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Peter Wendorff
Do they have something like a persistent ID in wikidata, yet? Do you want to add dozens of wikidata-tags (or a comma separated value or something like that), if more than one wikidata-element matches the osm element. Let's see this example: A building that was a merchants kontor a few hundret

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 06.05.2013 18:54, Peter Wendorff wrote: Do they have something like a persistent ID in wikidata, yet? I think the Wikidata page title - something like Q35525 - is intended to be rather stable. Of course there are sometimes problems, such as duplicates or interwiki conflicts, that make it

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: On 06.05.2013 18:54, Peter Wendorff wrote: Do they have something like a persistent ID in wikidata, yet? I think the Wikidata page title - something like Q35525 - is intended to be rather stable. Of course there are

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 06.05.2013 20:36, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: For those who are not on the tagging mailing list, the wikidata=* tag has been proposed[1], and discussed on the tagging mailing list starting late February 2013[2]. Based on my assessment of the discussion, there doesn't seem to be a clamor to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 06.05.2013 20:26, schrieb Tobias Knerr: On 06.05.2013 18:54, Peter Wendorff wrote: [...] Let's see this example: A building that was a merchants kontor a few hundret years ago, and now contains a museum and a restaurant, while in between it was - let's say - a hospital). That's

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 6 May 2013 21:20, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Am 06.05.2013 20:26, schrieb Tobias Knerr: On 06.05.2013 18:54, Peter Wendorff wrote: [...] Let's see this example: A building that was a merchants kontor a few hundret years ago, and now contains a museum and a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 06.05.2013 23:07, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: Hi, On 6 May 2013 21:20, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Am 06.05.2013 20:26, schrieb Tobias Knerr: On 06.05.2013 18:54, Peter Wendorff wrote: [...] Let's see this example: A building that was a merchants kontor a few

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Stefan Keller
Hi, I also think that linking from an OSM object to a growing no. of external databases (incl. Wikipedia/Wikidata) is not a good idea. And I respect the wish of the OSM maintainers to change the OSM id in the future. But the overpass-permanent-osm-id is no solution neither, primo because a set of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-06 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 06.05.2013 23:55, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Am 06.05.2013 23:07, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: If you're not adding those historical entities to OSM (or a similar database like that historical osm once discussed) then there's no issue with linking to Wikidata because there's nothing to be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-05 Thread Kolossos
Hello Andreas, I hope Wikidata part 3 solve the problem with the list, so that an object would be one Wikidata entry and can be a member in different lists but can also have an own article. A map with objects in the example article is here:[1] I have no influence on the way how

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-05 Thread Andreas Labres
Tim, There are different problems, let's keep them separate (vielleicht reden wir auch - Englisch - aneinander vorbei... ;) a) There is a problem in the code of osm.org how it links wikipedia articles. You can't do a link like this: $PATH#anchor?uselang=en This is bad URL syntax. You

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-05 Thread Jan Kučera
Hi guys, I am most likely the one who started the whole issue of adding relation IDs to Wikipedia at all - I created the Wikipedia templates and inserted several tenths of relation IDs to specific articles... and you know why? Because at the time I did that there was no WIWOSM (or any other

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-05 Thread malenki
[Quoting repaired on an (as it seems) accidential PM] yve...@gmail.com wrote on Sun, 05 May 2013 08:53:04: malenki wrote On 04.05.2013 15:24, Paul Norman wrote: When I get new imagery for the area and re-trace the building depending on what is easiest I may end up creating a new way. The

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-04 Thread Martin Raifer
Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: However, given what exists today shouldn't Wikipedia be using the overpass API for referencing OSM? I'd also say so: There already is a Permanent ID [1] service.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-04 Thread Andrew Gray
On 4 May 2013 00:49, Claus Stadler cstad...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de wrote: Hi, Shouldn't OSM use Wikipedia URLs as UUIDs where applicable rather than Wikipedia referring to database identifiers? (The answer is a clear 'yes' from my side.) In fact there are the (wikipedia, *) tags - but not

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-04 Thread Claus Stadler
Hi, Wikidata entities are (with a few caveats) static and language-independent (eg https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3183), and could potentially be useful here I totally agree, so tagging OSM entities with Wikidata IDs (where applicable) might improve the stability even beyond that of using

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-04 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 4 May 2013, at 10:47, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 4 May 2013 00:49, Claus Stadler cstad...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de wrote: Hi, Shouldn't OSM use Wikipedia URLs as UUIDs where applicable rather than Wikipedia referring to database identifiers? (The answer is a clear

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-04 Thread Kolossos
] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:08 PM To: Frederik Ramm Cc: OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata I am less concerned about the Wikidata side - if they make a bad judgement then it is their mess to clean up. I am however concerned that if more people simply assume

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-04 Thread Mike
I am however concerned that if more people simply assume that the status quo is there to stay (IDs are stable enough), this will put pressure on *us* and limit our flexibility in the future. But, what is the point if ID's are not stable? How can we externally link to the data and make sure

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-04 Thread Paul Norman
From: Mike [mailto:mike.cuttl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:36 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata I am however concerned that if more people simply assume that the status quo is there to stay (IDs are stable

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-04 Thread malenki
On 04.05.2013 15:24, Paul Norman wrote: When I get new imagery for the area and re-trace the building depending on what is easiest I may end up creating a new way. The tool replace geometry exists - at least for JOSM. It even works on replacing an old (existing) Node for a new way.

[OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
Hi. Just wanted to notify those who didn't know: There is now a property (P402) in use in Wikidata to link the corresponding entry to a relation ID in OSM. Example: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q84 With regards, Svavar Kjarrval signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03.05.2013 18:15, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: Just wanted to notify those who didn't know: There is now a property (P402) in use in Wikidata to link the corresponding entry to a relation ID in OSM. This is a very bad idea and should not be used. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 03.05.2013 18:15, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: Just wanted to notify those who didn't know: There is now a property (P402) in use in Wikidata to link the corresponding entry to a relation ID in OSM. This is a very bad

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03.05.2013 22:12, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: The consensus was that--at least for place relations which are the target of the said property--OSM relation IDs are stable enough and any changes in IDs can be easily rectified. Wikidata is a wiki after all. I am less concerned about the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 3 May 2013 22:58, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 03.05.2013 22:12, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: The consensus was that--at least for place relations which are the target of the said property--OSM relation IDs are stable enough and any changes in IDs can be easily rectified.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03.05.2013 23:08, andrzej zaborowski wrote: The OSMF has sent a pretty strong message saying that object IDs are stable enough to base impactful legal decisions on them. The OSMF has never sent messages saying that object IDs are stable or even stable enough for anything; if you

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:08:01PM +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 3 May 2013 22:58, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 03.05.2013 22:12, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: The consensus was that--at least for place relations which are the target of the said property--OSM relation IDs

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 3 May 2013 23:14, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 03.05.2013 23:08, andrzej zaborowski wrote: The OSMF has sent a pretty strong message saying that object IDs are stable enough to base impactful legal decisions on them. The OSMF has never sent messages saying that object IDs

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03.05.2013 23:18, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I don't understand -- wasn't the entire process based on the assumption that intellectual property persists as long as the object ID persists? No, that is a misconception. During the license change we deviated from that idea in both

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Henning Scholland
Am 03.05.2013 23:08, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: On 3 May 2013 22:58, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 03.05.2013 22:12, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: The consensus was that--at least for place relations which are the target of the said property--OSM relation IDs are stable enough and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 3 May 2013 23:22, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: * some objects whose ID had not changed and who had been created by someone who rejected the license were nonetheless kept if it could be shown that they had been changed in a major way since; * some objects that had been freshly

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Paul Norman
From: andrzej zaborowski [mailto:balr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:08 PM To: Frederik Ramm Cc: OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata I am less concerned about the Wikidata side - if they make a bad judgement then it is their mess

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Jason Remillard
wrote: From: andrzej zaborowski [mailto:balr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:08 PM To: Frederik Ramm Cc: OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata I am less concerned about the Wikidata side - if they make a bad judgement then it is their mess

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/5/4 Claus Stadler cstad...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de Hi, Shouldn't OSM use Wikipedia URLs as UUIDs where applicable rather than Wikipedia referring to database identifiers? (The answer is a clear 'yes' from my side.) In fact there are the (wikipedia, *) tags - but not sure how good the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM relation ID property in Wikidata

2013-05-03 Thread Claus Stadler
Isn't this thread about pointing from outside to osm? Yes, so the simple suggestion is for OSM to extend the API to expose the wiki tags; something like Something along the lines of: http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/wiki/{lang}/{article} And this would return the corresponding object(s).

[OSM-talk] OSM US Edit-a-thon April 20-21

2013-04-10 Thread the Old Topo Depot
Hello OSMers world-wide, Firstly, a reminder that OSM US is hosting an Edit--a-thon APril 20-21; info at http://www.openstreetmap.us/2013/03/april-spring-editathon/ Please join with your US colleagues and help improve the US map ! I am also wondering if any OSM server maintenance is anticipated

Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Monster

2013-04-01 Thread Mario Pichetti
Il 30/03/2013 18:42, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: scusate il cross-posting, ma è troppo bello ;-) ciao, Martin Filmato interessante, con tema dominante l'ingordigia:-) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

2013-03-31 Thread Colin Smale
I noticed that the database is down for maintenance this morning. I couldn't find any announcement for this downtime so it sounds like it was unplanned. Can anyone shed any light on what is going on, and when it is likely to be back up again? Thanks! Colin

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

2013-03-31 Thread Peter Körner
Hi it seems that the Server Ramoth http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/ramoth is unresponsive and couldn't be rebooted remotely. Some admins are on-site (or on their way) to give it a kick. In the meantime it seems everything's up again, but it could be that another restart is required

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

2013-03-31 Thread Tom Hughes
On 31/03/13 11:40, Peter Körner wrote: it seems that the Server Ramoth http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/ramoth is unresponsive and couldn't be rebooted remotely. Some admins are on-site (or on their way) to give it a kick. In the meantime it seems everything's up again, but it could

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

2013-03-31 Thread Mikel Maron
s:mikelmaron From: Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu To: Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance On 31/03/13 11:40, Peter Körner wrote: it seems that the Server

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

2013-03-31 Thread Grant Slater
All up and running again. Replaced a raid controller. Regards Grant OpenStreetMap sysadmin team On 31 Mar 2013 11:30, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: ** I noticed that the database is down for maintenance this morning. I couldn't find any announcement for this downtime so it sounds

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

2013-03-31 Thread Johan C
The OSM community owes you, Grant and the other sysadmins, a lot of gratitude for your work to maximize availability. Thanks! Cheers, Johan (user: It's so funny) 2013/3/31 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com All up and running again. Replaced a raid controller. Regards Grant

Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Monster

2013-03-31 Thread Maurizio Napolitano
Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: 2013/3/30 Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM Monster To: OSM Talk t...@openstreetmap.org OSM data turned into a monster! http://vimeo.com/62468031 -- Martijn van Exel ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Monster

2013-03-31 Thread Fabri
Il 30/03/2013 20:57, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Molto bello! Peccato che abbia scelto uno stile di mappa che ricorda molto GMaps... :-) Ciao, Simone +1 Inoltre all'inizio sembra che usino streetview... -- Google riceve multa da sette milioni di dollari per aver raccolto dati personali

[OSM-talk] OSM Monster

2013-03-30 Thread Martijn van Exel
OSM data turned into a monster! http://vimeo.com/62468031 -- Martijn van Exel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Monster

2013-03-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
scusate il cross-posting, ma è troppo bello ;-) ciao, Martin -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: 2013/3/30 Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM Monster To: OSM Talk t...@openstreetmap.org OSM data turned into a monster! http://vimeo.com/62468031 -- Martijn

Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Monster

2013-03-30 Thread Simone Saviolo
Molto bello! Peccato che abbia scelto uno stile di mappa che ricorda molto GMaps... :-) Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [OSM-talk] [osm-fr CA] Fwd: UAV Drone and OSM

2013-02-12 Thread Christian Rogel
Le 12 févr. 2013 à 15:08, Guillaume Allegre a écrit : Le mar. 12 fevr. 2013 à 10:37 +0300, Fred Moine a ecrit : Apres sur place, j’ai ma nièce qui peut heberger ou laisser son appartement pour le week end. Ou sinon elle a des copines de 20 a 29 ans super canon. Je vais faire mon

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] Wiki documentation on GPS devices - please help answer some questions

2013-02-04 Thread Greg Troxel
Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com writes: I would also add that the section on PDOP is rather technical for a newbie. Perhaps this could be moved to a separate wiki page and the answer to the question changed to be more general. If your GPS has a display then this is more likely to be

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] Wiki documentation on GPS devices - please help answer some questions

2013-02-02 Thread Dudley Ibbett
Hi Rob As a UK countryside mapper using a Blumax and Garmin 62s and JOSM I'd make the following comments: At this time my personal answer would be almost anywhere (path, tracks, roads etc. etc.). I also understand that the accuracy of the GPS trace will vary with time due to the position

[OSM-talk] OSM Subreddit Has 666 subscribers

2013-01-31 Thread Serge Wroclawski
In case anyone here reads the popular online news aggregation site Reddit, there is a subreddit dedicated specifically to OpenStreetMap, and as of today, it now has over 666 followers. Why do I care about 666? It's not because of any mystical or religious significance, I just didn't notice when

[OSM-talk] OSM Data Edit-a-thon, Saturday, January 26th

2013-01-21 Thread the Old Topo Depot
Hi OSMers, OpenStreetMaps US is organizing an editing event in the US Saturday, January 26th, from noon EDT to 6PM PDT (or later). We encourage all members of the OSM community to participate, and ask you to visit http://www.openstreetmap.us/ for more information about the event. Please contact

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] uMap Project: OSM everywhere

2013-01-21 Thread Michael Kugelmann
On 03.01.2013 22:51, Yohan Boniface wrote: sorry for the late feedback, I was offline for some days. This email for introducing the uMap project. TL;DR: http://umap.fluv.io/ (demo site). the name umap is not very well chosen: there is already a project called uMap which exists since long

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] uMap Project: OSM everywhere

2013-01-21 Thread SomeoneElse
Michael Kugelmann wrote: This email for introducing the uMap project. TL;DR: http://umap.fluv.io/ (demo site). the name umap is not very well chosen: there is already a project called uMap which exists since long time! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Speedpilgrim I don't see umap

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] uMap Project: OSM everywhere

2013-01-21 Thread Yohan Boniface
On 01/21/2013 11:03 PM, Michael Kugelmann wrote: On 03.01.2013 22:51, Yohan Boniface wrote: sorry for the late feedback, I was offline for some days. This email for introducing the uMap project. TL;DR: http://umap.fluv.io/ (demo site). the name umap is not very well chosen: there is already

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] Tracing and offset error

2012-12-20 Thread Gerhardus Geldenhuis
Thanks for the reply Michael, My concern was not so much about the imagery being out of date, as I only trace places that I am very familiar with albeit having visited a long time ago. I will be visiting a few places I have mapped soon and will be having my GPS switched on all the time. It

[OSM-talk] OSM import stats

2012-12-17 Thread Brian DeRocher
Frederick and all, I found your SotM presentations on OSM imports regarding disks and stats.I just completed a full planet import via osm2pgsql. Are you interested in the stats from my import? I *think* there's a wiki page about import stats, should i put them there. Long story short: 3

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM import stats

2012-12-17 Thread Shaun McDonald
The wiki page you are looking for is: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql/benchmarks It's worth mentioning on there the other settings that you had used. Shaun On 17 Dec 2012, at 15:19, Brian DeRocher br...@derocher.org wrote: Frederick and all, I found your SotM presentations on

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM import stats

2012-12-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.12.2012 16:19, schrieb Brian DeRocher: Frederick and all, I found your SotM presentations on OSM imports regarding disks and stats.I just completed a full planet import via osm2pgsql. Are you interested in the stats from my import? I *think* there's a wiki page about import stats,

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